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#1748422 - 07/16/12 04:33 PM Re: What is up with voter pic id's? [Re: larrys_one]
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I would say it is a big deal for those who will be denied a vote because of some bureaucracy created out of this crap...
It is strictly for Political gains period....
Nothing new in Americas history of Politics though...
As far as Ideologies go.. Its very important..
America was built on just that...
All of our civil rights are based on this too...
It effects us all as we see this Country stir far from what you and I believe America should be...
Freedoms came from the blood of Americans..
Never ever give them up or restrict them ever...

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#1748425 - 07/16/12 04:53 PM Re: What is up with voter pic id's? [Re: TimJ]
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I would also say its always a big deal for EVERYONE every time rights are rescinded.

The entire populace being required to have/show ID (and the bureaucracy/enforcement that inevitably comes with it) in order to theoretically prevent whatever ill-behavior by a very few seems anti-pragmatic in my book.

This isn't really about how easy it is to procure IDs, we already know it can be incredibly easy, and easy to fake as well. I suppose that is one possible argument for higher-tech, more secure options (i.e., implantable RFIDs), but I can't imagine WHO thinks that's a fine idea crazy

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Please don't take great offense to my use of the term "others" in my previous post, Larry. There were plenty of people posting here, on various news sites and discussing the ID situation in real life back when the AZ law was coming down. When I meant to use you as a specific example, I used your name along with your argument.


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#1748451 - 07/16/12 10:42 PM Re: What is up with voter pic id's? [Re: topcat1666]
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Originally Posted By: topcat1666
I noticed those were not convictions just allegded. How many true and how many are talking points?


Do you think Eric Holder will convict anyone helping Obama's re election?

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#1748452 - 07/16/12 10:44 PM Re: What is up with voter pic id's? [Re: Mr Hand]
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US Attorney General Eric Holder's Ballot to Vote Offered to Total Stranger
www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5p70YbRiPw


Edited by Mr Hand (07/16/12 10:45 PM)

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#1748453 - 07/16/12 10:51 PM Re: What is up with voter pic id's? [Re: Mr Hand]
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DEMOCRATS Arrested and/or Convicted of Voter Fraud
Posted on April 3, 2012

Update: April 3, 2012
Four MORE Democrats arrested for Voter Fraud in Indiana

Prosecutors in South Bend, Ind., filed charges Monday against four St. Joseph County Democratic officials and deputies as part of a multiple-felony case involving the alleged forging of Democratic presidential primary petitions in the 2008 election, which put then-candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the Indiana ballot.

Update: February 3, 2012

A local Florida station invented an unprecedented way to check for voter fraud: jury excusal forms. NBC2 compiled a list of jury excusals based on not being a citizen of the United States and compared it to a list of registered voters in two counties. They discovered almost 100 illegally registered voters, many of whom had voted multiple times. “I vote every year,” one woman told NBC2, despite the fact that she is not a US citizen. The woman had told the court that she couldn’t serve on a jury because she wasn’t a US citizen, but she doesn’t seem to have a problem voting like one.

Based on the NBC2 investigation, local election offices say they’ll now request a copy of every jury excusal form where residents say they can’t serve because they’re not a citizen.

UPDATE January 9, 2012
8 Arrested for Absentee Voter Fraud in Madison County, Florida

Democrats ~ Jada Woods Williams and Abra Hill Johnson

I am not sure how I missed this one, but here is one to add to the growing list of individuals arrested for actual voter fraud- meaning they voted more than once in an given election.

The NAACP is up in arms over the arrests saying the FBI is some how suppressing minority voters by arresting and charging minorities for actually illegally voting.

November 1, 2011 – 8 were arrested for absentee voter fraud in Madison County, Florida.

The case began when the Florida’s Division of Elections notified FDLE ad FBI that “an extraordinarily disproportionate amount of absentee votes,” had been cast in the District 1 school board race. The eight suspects were arrested on November 1, 2011.

Before I post the names of those arrested for voting more than once in an election, they are ALL registered Democrats:

Tina Johnson was arrested on 10 counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, and two counts of absentee ballots and voting violations.

Johnson Jr. was charged with 11 counts of fraud in connection with casting votes, as well as corruptly influencing voting, and perjury by false written declaration.

Williams was charged with 17 counts of neglect of duty and corrupt practices for allowing the distribution of these absentee ballots.

The following Madison residents were each charged with one count of proving a false report to law enforcement as well addition charges as listed:
• Shalonda Michaelle Brinson, 36, nine counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote
• Judy Ann Crumitie, 51, four counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote
• Laverne V. Haynes, 57, two counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, two counts of perjury by false written declaration
• Ora Bell Rivers, 41, seven counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, three counts of perjury by false written declaration
• Raven Simona Williams, 20, two counts of fraud in connection with casting a vote, two counts of perjury by false written declaration
Update: December 2011

7 Democrats Arrested in New York for actual Voter Fraud via Absentee Ballots
Democrats arrested, charged and 4 plead guilty to actual voter fraud in New York via absentee ballots!
Democrat Anthony DeFiglio, right, pled guilty to falsifying business records for his role in a ballot fraud case in Rensselaer County Court on Tuesday Dec. 20, 2011 in Troy, N.Y. His lawyer John Turi is at left.

4 Plead Guilty while the other 3 opt for a trial. The group forged signatures on applications for absentee ballots and on the ballots themselves in a 2009 primary of the Working Families Party, which was affiliated with now-defunct community group ACORN.

Voters whose signatures were forged expressed outrage to Fox. “I feel extremely violated,” said Brian Suozzo.

In November 2009, Democratic operative Anthony DeFiglio told New York State police investigators that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election.
Democrat Clement Campana, President of the Troy City Council, right, is arraigned for his role in a ballot fraud case in Rensselaer County Court while sitting with his lawyer E. Stewart Jones, Jr., left, on Tuesday Dec. 20, 2011 in Troy, N.Y.. (Philip Kamrass / Times Union )

**It should be noted that the story below has still yet, as of November 25, 2011 to be aired on NBC, MSNBC or CNN……**

To hear NBC, MSNBC and CNN put it, voter fraud is “basically unfounded” in today’s society. That those who scream voter fraud, those said people are merely looking to “discredit” Democrats, or they go so far as to call them “racists”. Remember, the whole purpose of the MEDIA is to keep the citizens informed and the politicians “honest”. Lying about the OBVIOUS is neither keeping the citizens informed nor keeping the politicians “honest”. Likewise, calling those racists whom provide factual evidence that voter fraud occurs a lot more than the media leads on, only proves why NBC, MSNBC and CNN’s ratings are in the tank.

Irony, by its very definition is that of the media “keeping politicians honest” by “reporting the truth” when said media calls those who do report the truth as being racists and liars.
Update: November 2011


12 Democrats have been Charged in Georgia for Absentee Ballot Voter Fraud

Case in point: November 23, 2011 – 12 people have been charged in Georgia for voter fraud as they used absentee ballots to skew an in election in Georgia. The 12 people charged are ALL with the Democrat Party. The defendants include some workers in the voter registrar’s office and some school board members. They are Angela Bryant, April Proctor, Brenda Monds, Debra Denard, Lula Smart, Kechia Harrison, Robert Denard, Sandra Cody, Elizabeth Thomas, Linda Troutman, Latashia Head, and Nancy Denard.

The charges followed a bitter November 2010 school board election in Brooks County in which the final tally was changed by an unusually large wave of absentee ballots.

During the election, 1,060 absentee votes were cast out of the 1,403 ballots mailed out to people who requested them, according to a July 2010 report by WCTV.

That’s far higher than nearby Thomas County, which had 119 absentee votes cast out of 202 requests, and Lowndes County, which had 169 absentee votes cast out of 439 requests, said WCTV’s report.

We also need to look at the other actual voter fraud that yielded arrests, charges and convictions. Needless to say, ALL thus far have been via DEMOCRAT voters who voted MULTIPLE TIMES for Obama whereby even DNA evidence was acquired and used to convict on voter fraud so as to NOT allow the media to state that these charges and convictions were somehow “racist”.
NAACP Executive Sentence to 10 Years in Prison for Voting for Obama 10 Times in 2008

While NAACP President Benjamin Jealous lashed out at new state laws requiring photo ID for voting, an NAACP executive sits in prison, sentenced for carrying out a massive voter fraud scheme.

In April 2011, a Tunica County, Miss., jury convicted NAACP official Lessadolla Sowers on 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots.

Sowers received a five-year prison term for each of the 10 counts…..

“This crime cuts against the fabric of our free society,” Judge Webster said.

Sowers was found guilty of voting in the names of Carrie Collins, Walter Howard, Sheena Shelton, Alberta Pickett, Draper Cotton and Eddie Davis.

She was also convicted of voting in the names of four dead persons: James L. Young, Dora Price, Dorothy Harris, and David Ross.

In the trial, forensic scientist Bo Scales testified that Sowers’s DNA was found on the inner seals of five envelopes containing absentee ballots.
4 Wake County, North Carolina Democrats have Admitted to Voting for Obama TWICE Each in 2008

FOUR Wake County, North Carolina, Democrats have admitted to voter fraud charges, according to local news reports.

Kierra Fontae Leache, Shelia Romona Hodges and Brandon Earl Mclean each admitted to casting two ballots in recent elections. Local reports indicate all three voted for President Barack Obama twice in 2008.

According to ABC News Channel 11 in Raleigh-Durham, authorities have placed the three on $10,000 bonds.
Daytona Beach City Democrat Commissioner and his Campaign Manager arrested for Absentee Ballot Voter Fraud

Derrick Henry Genesis Robinson

October 27, 201 :

Daytona Beach City Commissioner Democrat Derrick Henry and his campaign manager, Genesis Robinson, were arrested Wednesday, charged with committing absentee ballot fraud during Henry’s 2010 re-election campaign, the Volusia County Sheriff’s Office said.
Illegal alien from the Philippines Arrested and Charged on 17 counts of Voter fraud in Lake County, Illinois

March 17, 2011:

LAKE COUNTY, Ill. – An illegal alien from the Philippines was arrested Thursday morning on a felony complaint charging her with 17 counts related to voter fraud in Lake County. The state charges resulted

from a joint investigation conducted by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and the Lake County State’s Attorneys Office. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) also provided assistance.

Maria Azada, 53, of Grayslake, Ill., was arrested March 17 by ICE HSI agents and a Lake County State’s Attorneys special investigator. Azada faces 17 felony counts in Lake County Circuit Court of perjury,

mutilation of election materials, and tampering with voting machines in connection with illegal voting by a non-U.S. citizen.

The investigation began in February 2009 when Azada admitted to a USCIS officer during an interview for an immigration benefit that she had voted in an election. It is illegal for foreign nationals to vote in national or state elections in the United States.
Indiana Voter Fraud – Please note that we have TWO Separate voter fraud issues in this state to address: 1. Absentee Ballot Voter Fraud; 2. Obama’s Signature Fraud
MIKE MARSHALL AND SON CHRIS (ALSO INDICTED) IN DC ATTENDING OBAMA’S INAUGURATION, January 20, 2009

October 2011: A former state representative and prominent Democratic leader and political consultant from Jennings County[Indiana], Mike Marshall, has been indicted on multiples counts of vote fraud, forgery and perjury, along with Marshall’s son, Chris, and another local Democrat, John Cook. The Columbus Republic has the story on the grand jury indictments just returned against the men:

Three Jennings County residents face a combined 65 felony counts after being indicted by a grand jury on charges of vote fraud, forgery and perjury.

Mike Marshall, a Democrat and president of North Vernon’s Utilities Service Board, faces 12 Class D felony counts of forgery, 13 Class D felony counts of perjury and 20 Class D felony counts of vote fraud, according to paperwork filed with the Jennings County clerk’s office.

Marshall’s son Chris Marshall faces one count each of forgery and perjury and nine counts of vote fraud.

John Cook, a Democrat and member of the Utilities Service Board, faces two counts of forgery, three counts of perjury and four counts of vote fraud.

The case stems from an absentee ballot filed in last year’s election [2010].
Indiana Democratic Party Head Resigns as Fraud Probe Heats Up over Obama

http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/...of-voter-fraud/

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#1748468 - 07/17/12 05:56 AM Re: What is up with voter pic id's? [Re: Mr Hand]
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Are you seeing an organized nationwide conspiracy at the polls on voter fraud? I mean it would take thousands if not millions to effect a nationwide vote. Unlike say the alleged vote shifting that Diebold voting machines have been suspected of doing. Have you hear of "redshift"?
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You do know that Indiana is a heavily Republican State (In the 1920's it was the biggest Klan state). So, it is no surprise that more allegations of Democratic voting fraud come from there, or that a small minority would try to tip the scale. Hey there are rotten apples in every bunch.
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#1748481 - 07/17/12 08:49 AM Re: What is up with voter pic id's? [Re: larrys_one]
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For most folks that is true they have an I.D. or can just get one. What I'm saying is this creates a problem where none is know to exist. This is something that happened to me over I.d.. I very seldom drive since my accident and everyone around here knows me so I never have to show I.D. on day in O.K. City I was asked about my I.d. and pulling it out found it was expired.Had I been trying to vote I would have been denied to cover a problem we don't have. Now think about all that added bullshit the Rep.s are tacking on and this comes across as an effort to steal another election.

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#1748494 - 07/17/12 11:30 AM Re: What is up with voter pic id's? [Re: topcat1666]
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I still didn't see any voter fraud listed at the Polls, themselves, which is what the ID is designed to deal with. But, this is one of those threads where no one will likely change their position, so it's now worth the bandwidth. I have no big dog in this fight, and at this point I think the issue is going to be decided by the Courts.

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