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#994255 - 03/10/05 02:59 PM Are guns bad ?
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I was just on the cc mag website and in the article "Bizzare Busts" they say something that aggrevated me very much so, they call they guy who killed the 4 RCMP officers in canada a "psychotic gun nut" just because someone owns a gun doesn't mean they are psychotic. This is just as ignorant as both of our countries considering cannabis to be a hard drug. That statement seemed very Reefer Madness like. I own many guns I also grow marijuana and smoke it often, I must be as Psycho as they come. No offense to the magazine, but it just reminded of the ignorance that our governments have toward marijuana. I mean the guy who did it probably was psychotic, but that doesn't mean him being a gun nut made any of a difference. i consider my self a gun nut and i assure you i have never killed anyone.

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#994256 - 03/10/05 03:13 PM Re: Are guns bad ?
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A lot has to do with how you are interpeting the word nut. Your using the term as representing that you are a fan.
While the press is using the term 'nut' as someone with a psychological disturbance.

Whether or not guns are bad is a whole other topic and a very divided one. And not just two camps either....

I look at it's intended purpose. If you have a valid reason to have one, such as pest control, personal defense, or a really cool way of ventilating pictures of Mad King George, they are not a bad thing.
If your reason for having a gun is based on self esteem, both the gun, and the person, should be placed in a oxygen free environment for half an hour for spiritual purification.
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#994257 - 03/10/05 03:29 PM Re: Are guns bad ?
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I'm of the notion that "guns don't kill...people do" and I wholeheartedly defend my second amendment right to keep and bear arms.

Your bare hands can be used to kill as can thousands of other things...granted having a gun gives one an advantage....but y'all get the point.

Remember....when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.
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#994258 - 03/10/05 03:44 PM Re: Are guns bad ? [Re: voodoodol]
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granted having a gun gives one an advantage.


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#994259 - 03/10/05 04:08 PM Re: Are guns bad ?
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And I'm of the notion that guns only kill people when fired off by people. Profuse apologies for spelling things out, but here goes... Guns are inanimate objects designed for killing. The human race counts includes a significant number who kill professionally and accidentally. If not guns, then knives. If not knives, then stones. We have the will to create life and we have the will to destroy life. I have no problem with people who like target practice - as long as its on inanimate objects. And yes life feeds on life. It's a question of how high or low on the food chain we stake our claim. All else being equal, the lower the better. But we're a hierarchical species, with all the attendant complications. James Rszko was a psychologically unablanced man. He and guns were a bad mix. I do not know what his psychological profile was. I suspect that psychotic was a poor choice of words. Paranoid, psychopathic, maybe bi-polar, who knows? might have been more appropriate. Some people who are into guns show more respect for life than others who've never squeezed a trigger. Just the way it goes.

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#994260 - 03/10/05 04:48 PM Re: Are guns bad ?
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you have a point:

if the media had labelled him a "pyschotic pot nut", the cannabis community would likely interpret that as a slur against pot

gun control folks often use the phrase "gun nut" to describe anyone who likes to collect and shoot guns and rifles...i think its safe to say that this psychotic person wasn't a real gun nut, but rather, a nut with a gun


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guns are bad ya gun nut! *grin*

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#994261 - 03/10/05 04:50 PM Re: Are guns bad?
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Of course liking guns doesn't make you a bad person or a criminal. In fact, statistically speaking, the more armed a society, the lower the level of crime -- at least if major statistical studies of the United States hold any weight.

Cannabis Culture and the BC Marijuana Party, it appears, are practicing an unethical political strategy: divert the state's aggression onto other groups so that they don't come after you. Put another way: defend your freedom by any means, including at the expense of the freedom of others.

The police opportunistically blamed marijuana for the death of the four Mounties, so Kirk Tousaw, BC Marijuana Party campaign manager, replies on the BCMP blog, by calling for a crack down on guns. This amounts to nothing more than: "don't come after us, go after them." Instead of standing up for the rights of all peaceful citizens, Kirk calls for a crackdown on another group that could possibly suffer as a result of state opportunism: law-abiding gun owners.

Reverend Damuzi's reporting on the CC website has come up of short of calling for crack down on gun owners, but it has nonetheless implied that people who own and enjoy firearms are a problem.

Marc Emery's comments in the Province -- IF HE WAS QUOTED ACCURATELY -- were also disappointing. He seemed to suggest that because James Roszko was around guns growing up, he was more likely to engage in cop killing. And I put forward this criticism as a HUGE fan of Marc. He's been one of the top libertarians in Canada's history. I don't understand why he would say such a thing. My guess is that he may have been misquoted.

My only hope is that this trend will not continue. Peaceful people under attack by the state need to unite together to battle oppression. We should not point fingers at each other. This will allow oppressive elements of the state to divide and conquer.

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#994262 - 03/10/05 05:08 PM Re: Are guns bad? [Re: MichaelCust]
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Of course liking guns doesn't make you a bad person or a criminal. In fact, statistically speaking, the more armed a society, the lower the level of crime -- at least if major statistical studies of the United States hold any weight.

Cannabis Culture and the BC Marijuana Party, it appears, are practicing an unethical political strategy: divert the state's aggression onto other groups so that they don't come after you. Put another way: defend your freedom at any means, including at the expense of the freedom of others.

The police opportunistically blamed marijuana for the death of the four Mounties, so Kirk Tousaw, BC Marijuana Party campaign manager, replies on the BCMP blog, by calling for a crack down on guns. This amounts to nothing more than: "don't come after us, go after them." Instead of standing up for the rights of all peaceful citicizens, Kirk calls for a crackdown on another group that could possibly suffer as a result of state opportunism: law-abiding gun owners.

Reverend Damuzi's reporting on the CC website has come up of short of calling for crack down on gun owners, but it has nonetheless implied that people who own and enjoy firearms are a problem.

Marc Emery's comments in the Province -- IF HE WAS QUOTED ACCURATELY -- were also disappointing. He seemed to suggest that because James Roszko was around guns growing up, he was more likely to engage in cop killing. And I put forward this criticism as a HUGE fan of Marc. He's been one of the top libertarians in Canada's history. I don't understand why he would say such a thing. My guess is that he may have been misquoted.

My only hope is that this trend will not continue. Peaceful people under attack by the state need to unite together to battle oppression. We should not point fingers at each other. This will allow oppressive elements of the state to divide and conquer.




What you said!



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#994263 - 03/10/05 05:34 PM Re: Are guns bad? [Re: MichaelCust]
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Well said MC.

I do not understand how one can both believe the government to be an oppressive, unethical and malevolent force; yet still be ok with the idea of surrendering all the weapons to them.

Let the blame for this tragedy rest only on the shoulders of the man who comitted these murders.

-Dan M


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#994264 - 03/10/05 05:58 PM Re: Are guns bad? [Re: Dan M]
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Exactly people, the right to bear arms in the usa , wasnt intended so the people could shoot each other, per se, it was intended so they could defend themselves against OPRESSION. Remember folks, the first act of the Nazi party once it had gained political power in Germany, was to restrict and repeal private gun ownership. Give up your guns and give up your FREEDOM. Not a gun nut, but a responsible adult who happens to own firearms. Mikey



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