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#975893 - 06/02/06 10:37 AM
Re: Our old pals DuPont - Toxic Teflon
[Re: Chris Buors]
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Old hand

Registered: 12/17/04
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The meanace is the State.
The STATE is like the syringe that delivers the poison.
The poison is POWER.
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#975895 - 06/02/06 11:17 AM
Re: Our old pals DuPont - Toxic Teflon
[Re: Big Bat]
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Old hand

Registered: 12/17/04
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Why is it that the world can sit by and destroy its greatest worth wich is the planet and not care . That hat is on the heads of the capitalist.
I think that hat is on everyone, whatever political / economic /teleological stripe, who climbs the ladder of success using the World and its inhabitants as stepping stones for society .
P olitics E conomics T eleology S ociety
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#975896 - 06/02/06 11:27 AM
Re: Our old pals DuPont - Toxic Teflon
[Re: Chris Buors]
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Ganja God
 
Registered: 09/17/99
Posts: 21457
Loc: BC
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"Capitalism requires only peaceful exchange." What it "requires" on paper and what it tends to desire in real life are two different things. You live in the world of paper theories, and I deal with the real life facts: IG Auschwitz - the ideal business climate Once Farben's Nazi's bought enough votes to entrench themselves in power, they made well on their election promise to their employers. Beginning with joint Nazi-IG Farben synthetic oil and rubber ventures in 1933 that made Hitler's war machine self-sufficient, the co-operation continued with the plunder of Europe's chemical industries. As the Nazi's invaded each country, I.G. would take control of the chemical companies. (51) If these "hostile takeovers" were good for business, slavery was even better. Instead of "work rather than phrases," many of the camps had "work will set you free" on their gates. It was the greatest false-advertising campaign in human history - unless you define "free" as "dead from exhaustion." As the war dragged on, I.G. created it's own private camp called Monowitz - also known as Auschwitz III. Monowitz was located right outside the largest synthetic oil and rubber factory in the world, the largest industrial complex outside the borders of the German Reich, and I.G.'s largest factory: I.G. Auschwitz. I.G. Farben owned 100% of I.G. Auschwitz. The sight had been chosen by I.G. for the abundant water and coal in the area, not to mention all the free slave labor from Auschwitz I and II. (52 ) I.G. created Monowitz because too many of their employees would die while marching to work every day. Our investors would expect no less Conditions at Monowitz and I.G. Auschwitz were a living nightmare. They were exploited, as one Nazi bigwig put it, "to the highest possible extent at the lowest possible expenditure." (53) Truth be told, it was even worse than that. You could get a lot of work out of a slave over the course of the slave's long life - America did it with black "slaves" before and black "criminals" today. But the "slaves" at I.G. Auschwitz were quickly worked to death. It was not slave labor, it was death labor. The diet was designed to kill you from exhaustion in three months - less if you were weak or sick. A Buna plant worker and Auschwitz escapee vividly described the work conditions: ."..(our working place) was divided into small sectors of 10 x 10 posts, each guarded by an SS man. Whoever stepped outside these squares during working hours was immediately shot without warning for having "attempted to escape." Often it happened that out of pure spite an SS man would order a prisoner to fetch some given object outside his square. If he followed the order, he was shot for having left his assigned place. The work was extremely hard and there were no rest periods. The way to and from work had to be covered at a brisk military trot; anyone falling out of line was shot. ... Very few could bare the strain and although escape seemed hopeless, attempts were made every day. The result was several hangings a week." (54) Fritz ter Meer - one of the top overseers of I.G. Auschwitz and the highest-ranking member to do time for war crimes - said at his trial: "Forced labor did not inflict any remarkable injury, pain, or suffering on the detainees, particularly since the alternative for these workers would have been death." (55) Fritz didn't bother to mention the fact that I.G.'s campaign contributions, the anti-Semitic and authoritarian examples they set and prototype concentration camps they conceived in WWI were the main factors in limiting their present "detainees" options so dramatically. http://www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer
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"making the earth a common treasury for all, both rich and poor." Gerrard Winstanley; April 20, 1649
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#975897 - 06/02/06 03:56 PM
Re: Our old pals DuPont - Toxic Teflon
[Re: Chris Buors]
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Enthusiast
 
Registered: 10/11/05
Posts: 268
Loc: Between Iraq, and a hard place
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Not true.
Capitalism requires only peaceful exchange.
Capitalism is trading what we produce for something someone else produced for our mutal beneficence.
No one has to work for anybody. Trading 10 rabbits for one deer is capitalism and no one exploits the other and no one works for anyone but themselves.
It will be up to the individuals involved in the trade how many rabbits for deer value is exchanged.
That all changes from moment to moment. To someone with three deer, 10 rabbits for one may seem fair. To a Man with only two deer, he may want 11 or `12 rabbits.
The rabbit owner will have to decide what value he attaches to rebbits and deer. Whatever the circumstance, because all the trading is voluntary, all parties benefit from the exchange or there is no deal. That's capitalism.
Chris,
What you have described is the "Barter System". It is a perfect way of conducting buisness, person-to-person.
The Barter System is for honest people, while capitolism tends to make (some) people greedy, and dishonest.
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#975898 - 06/02/06 05:37 PM
Re: Our old pals DuPont - Toxic Teflon
[Re: reefer_rabbi]
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Super Stoner

Registered: 05/25/04
Posts: 4147
Loc: Winnipeg Manitoba
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Chris,
What you have described is the "Barter System". It is a perfect way of conducting buisness, person-to-person.
The Barter System is for honest people, while capitolism tends to make (some) people greedy, and dishonest.
Greed and dishonesty are not characteristics of an economic system.
Greed and dishonesty are individual character traits.
There are no shortage of greedy and dishonest socialists.
Here is some bad news for you about the barter system.
People can only barter away property they own.
The right to own private property is the cornerstone, the foundation on which capitalism is built.
The right to dispose of one's property as one pleases is what capitalism is all about.
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#975899 - 06/03/06 05:04 AM
Re: Our old pals DuPont - Toxic Teflon
[Re: Chris Buors]
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Pooh-Bah
 
Registered: 06/15/04
Posts: 1980
Loc: Where my dead are buried
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Well all the bombers and navy vessels and pcb and ddts and all that other personal stuff is killing millions.That is capitalist and corupt socialist and why is all that stuff made to protect your capital.
How many pools and lawnmowers and cars and different types of stuff does one family need?I think of the world as a family and a very disrupted one at that.No one cooperates unless they get something(capital)each member has ego and greed and lust.See they all want to be head of their little steamship and go and do what they want but in reality its one large battle ship that has many directed hands to achieve a goal of survival.I also like to look at the cannabis culture as this battle ship ,it to is another disfuntional family .Taking up a rank and being a provider and helping the unit of the family is a social duty.
We see many that have golden eyes but most have blinders on .
The hunting party would bring meat back for all,just as the farmers would bring the corn and wheat for all.Community is not a capitalist adventure but rather a act of love and compassion of giving something that brings joy to life.
The hats of capitalism are build on ones greatnesss and how much ego and pompusness they can scewander .
In a social family all is divided equallly how does this destroy the planet?
All heads dont wear hats of destruction but rather being a part of the social suroundings and working toghter in a circle of life with the planet no harm can be done.
Maybe the white man came along and toke all for himself and left nothing for anybody else.Is this the way of the world.
You can eat your golden cow but i will follow my ancestors on that trail of gifts.
The fishing hole is empty and im greatly saddened.My family did not take them all.
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#975900 - 06/03/06 07:10 AM
Re: Our old pals DuPont - Toxic Teflon
[Re: Big Bat]
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Super Stoner

Registered: 05/25/04
Posts: 4147
Loc: Winnipeg Manitoba
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Big bat. You did not do a very good job of research. In the past, your ancestors set up camp, hunted every animal in the immediate vicinity, burnt every stick of wood they could find and when that environment could no longer sustain them, they moved on. Environmental "Folklore" is the BS behind Natives or any hunter gatherer society as "rightful stewards" of the Earth. The notion of Natives and Nature at peace all stems from a movie shot in 1972. The reality is a different story. http://www.mises.org/story/2119 Quote:
As Martin Lewis has pointed out, such claims fly in the face of serious anthropological studies of a number of North American tribes, who engaged in the wholesale destruction of wildlife and who routinely burned vast areas in order to facilitate their hunts. Indeed, Lewis maintains that "large areas of the American Midwest were apparently converted from heavy forest to tall-grass prairie under the continual pressure of Indian fire-setting."[35] Finally, anyone even casually acquainted with the views of Plains Indians and those of the Southwest regarding warfare or of the Iroquois toward the treatment of prisoners[36] can hardly take seriously the claim that Native Americans consistently "engaged in relationships of mutual respect, reciprocity, and caring" with their fellow human beings. Apparently, Booth and Jacobs are not aware of the fact that infanticide,[37] slavery,[38] and the killing of the aged and sick,[39] were not uncommon practices among aboriginal societies in North America.
There is probably no clearer example of the sloppy scholarship and dearth of careful analysis that pervades much environmental literature than the frequency with which Chief Seattle's words are quoted in support of the view that Native American societies live harmoniously and at one with nature while the "white man" does nothing but despoil and rape his natural habitat.[40] Seattle's environmental speech, known among ecologists as the "Fifth Gospel," consists of a collection of mawkish, saccharine comments about the beauties of nature (highlighted by references to "the rustle of insects' wings," and "the lonely cry of the whippoorwill") and man's intimate connection to the natural world. "If men spit upon the ground," Chief Seattle informs us, "they spit on themselves. This we know — the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood which unites one family. Whatever befalls the earth, befalls the sons of the earth," and so on.[41] While Seattle, chief of the Duwamish, is an actual historical figure,[42] the speech with which he is credited was in fact written in 1972 by a screen writer for a film titled Home, made for the Southern Baptist Convention.[43] Yet, despite its origins, the speech is regularly quoted by environmental writers and enlisted in support of the view that primitive societies are environmentally superior to those that are technologically advanced.
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