The drug war is based upon racism and racist politics. See my webpage of charts on it:
http://corporatism.tripod.com/charts5.htm and
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/charts5.htm

So why should we give racists another forum in which they can gather strength and thus further the racism that underlies the drug war?

There are plenty of forums where racists, KKK members, and death squad killers can congregate. Ostracize them and let them go there.

Most racists are group sheep. Isolating them changes many of them. Especially when they come here and have to hide their racism normally. Some come to accept not being hate-filled sheep.

But lately the racists are congregating here and gathering strength. Thus this forum is not doing its part in stopping the racism behind the drug war.

This is a rather sad post.
Racism, Sexism, Nationalism, Religious intolerance, All forms of discrimination regardless of it's type, are based on ignorance, whether willful or naked.

The racism we have seen discussed and reviled by the majority of members here are neither new nor gathering strength, they are members that have been here a long time.

No, racism is not tolerated and some of what has passed here of late may well see repercussions. But for those of us who participate in these forums to forbid them to speak is merely a way of avoiding it and may well be discrimination in itself.

I believe that this forums best method of fighting against discrimination is not to bar the door, but to drag it right out into the open and look at it openly.
Only through truth can values that are based in ignorance be revealed.

I agree with Wodan - these forums should be a place to discuss things openly. Eliminating those who disagree with you amounts to genocide, something DML (and others) have been quite vocal about lately. You can't force someone into a utopian lifestyle, they need to want to be there. The best way to get them to want to be there is to let them know, as often and as loudly as necessary, how good it is, and that they are welcome. Besides, EVERYONE has at least a little bit of racist tendency - even if they are not aware of it. Everyone would need to be banned for it to work. Truth and honesty can help eliminate ignorance.

so your going to fight racism with racism ?


hmmm...


no. let them stay. they are good examples of "dont let this happen to you". Give them enough bandwidth to hang themselves with with their own ignorance and idiocy.




Levy

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The racism we have seen discussed and reviled by the majority of members here are neither new nor gathering strength, they are members that have been here a long time.

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I believe the racists are gathering in strength here or at least are being more vocal. To deny it is to stick your head in the sand just to prove your point.

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But for those of us who participate in these forums to forbid them to speak is merely a way of avoiding it and may well be discrimination in itself.

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It is not avoiding it. On the contrary. It is DEFEATING it. It is not discrimination because there are plenty of other forums the racists can sing their KKK anthems together at.

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I believe that this forums best method of fighting against discrimination is not to bar the door, but to drag it right out into the open and look at it openly.

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We all have seen it plenty. Just go to other forums on the web. Barring the door here IS the way to defeat it. Ostracize them.

At cannabis rallies do we just give the podium to the drug warriors? Have you ever seen that done?

And at debates do you give the floor more than 50% to the opposition?

The racists should not be allowed to post on at least 50% of the forums here.

I say no more than 10% here since code-word racism is in control of 90% of the media in North America.

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I agree with Wodan - these forums should be a place to discuss things openly. Eliminating those who disagree with you amounts to genocide, something DML (and others) have been quite vocal about lately.

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So we discuss how to make the drug war more brutal? That is bullshit. I have regularly seen posts deleted here that are completely negative. Racism is the most negative thing there is, and it is responsible for most genocide. Including the cultural genocide of cannabis and drug users. See my links in my first message.

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You can't force someone into a utopian lifestyle, they need to want to be there. The best way to get them to want to be there is to let them know, as often and as loudly as necessary, how good it is, and that they are welcome.

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How is racism a utopian lifestyle? How is tolerating their racism going to end their racism? How are we going to make people welcome by encouraging racism towards other people?

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Besides, EVERYONE has at least a little bit of racist tendency - even if they are not aware of it.

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How are they going to know about their racism if they are not warned? With consequences if they keep it up.

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Truth and honesty can help eliminate ignorance.

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Exactly. Along with a swift, figurative kick in the ass. Out the door.

Let them see how it feels to be on the butt end of ostracization. It works both ways. I am not a namby-pamby utopian idealist. I say kick racists' butts. Figuratively, and with the least force necessary. Maximum force if nothing else works.

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so your going to fight racism with racism ?

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Fight it with exposure, containment, ostracization, laws, and as Malcolm X said: "By any means necessary." I say use the minimum force necessary. Ostracization is not violent. That is the first step. Then upwards in force used. In a totally racist death-squad society at the level of Nazi Germany, then the maximum force is necessary. Killing a racist killer in those circumstances is not racist. If you think so, then you are a moron.

Ostracizing a racist is not racism.

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no. let them stay. they are good examples of "dont let this happen to you". Give them enough bandwidth to hang themselves with with their own ignorance and idiocy.

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The forums that try that never succeed. If tolerated those forums just get worse and worse. Here at the CannabisCulture forums the completely negative or offtopic messages are deleted.

But lately I see more tolerance for racism here. I want the moderators here to KNOW that racism is negative and offtopic and not to feel any more tolerant of it than the other completely negative and offtopic messages they delete. And I want them to know they have some support.

I wish some other people would reply and agree with me. Otherwise the moderators may not have the courage necessary to buck the tide of increasing racism I see here.

The CC forums could become just another form of "hate radio" and hate media common to cyberspace and the airwaves in North America.

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Why, are there other threads containing this stupidity besides the "War On N..." ? I don't recall seeing others. If there are, I have no problem with offenders being booted. Asta la vista, baby.

Banning of all racists isn't realistic, BUT, the moderators will ban users, on a case-by-case basis. Anyone who is abusing the boards, or others on here, can no doubt be reported, and their actions and/or posts will be reviewed. Anyone is allowed to have unpopular opinions, they only become a problem when they are forced onto others, or expressed in ways that are inappropriate or offensive.

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I can not see ANY of the moderators allowing these forums to decay to this extent. The issues discussed here and the whole reason for creating these forums are too important to let some unpleasant people destroy it. Besides, I am sure that someone (as you are doing now eco2man) would bring it to their attention WAY before then, if they somehow did not notice themselves.

Life is full of unpleasant people and references and statements, noone can be completely insulated from stuff like that. It exists, you don't have to like it, but it is there. I guess we can ignore it, or speak up against it.

can i get some examples of some racists??

i know for one that some people think being anti republican is a form of racisim...so can you give me links and examples so we can see what your talking about..