DML offered the following links in support of the idea that the US used HAARP to cause the tsunami that wreaked so much destruction in Asia. His theory being that the US government did it as part of population control and as a way to soften the area up so US troops can sieze the oil in the region.

I'll leave it to DML to expound on his theory beyond that, the purpose of this post is to scrutinize his sources:

Let's hit 'em:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2004/n12292004

This link establishes that the US will be sending ships into the region as well as flying recon over the area.

Quote:

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Because fresh water is one of the greatest needs in the region, Fargo has ordered seven ships — each capable of producing 90,000 gallons of fresh water a day — to the region. Conway said five of these ships are pre-positioned in Guam and two will come from Diego Garcia.

A field hospital ship pre-positioned in Guam would also be ordered to the region, depending on findings of the disaster relief assessment teams and need, Conway said.

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It looks like this is a humanitarian mission to me, not one of conquest. If the goal were to destroy and subdue the populace, depriving them of clean water would be an excellent start. However, we will not be depriving the people of water, rather we will be supplying it to them.

Next up: http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/envronmt/weapons.htm

This link was provided to show that HAARP theoretically could deliver a strike comparable to a nuclear blast anywhere on earth. At a cursory glance it seems a reputable claim. However having the ability to POSSIBLY deliver a nuke-equivalent blast anywhere, and actually using this power to create earthquakes and tsunami's are two different beasts entirely. There is nothing in this article that supports the asssertion that the US caused the tsunami, nor could have caused it even if they wanted to.


Next: http://www.lifesite.net/waronfamily/nssm200/
This site details how the US Government looked at world population from a strategic viewpoint (i.e. what are our options if the populations of the third world threaten our food supplies, or otherwise threaten our security and autonomy). I'm not surprised the issue has been considered. Considering an issue is vastly different than murdering over a hundred thousand people through a man-made tsunami though. So this offers no evidence that backs up the proposed claim.

Next: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/306992.shtml#160808
This link from ABC says that the Diego Garcia military base was not hit by the Tsunami.

Quote:

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The key United States military base in the Indian Ocean has been unaffected by the tsunamis which have devastated parts of Asia, The Washington Post has reported.

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There are no reports of damage to the base. I fail to see the relevence this has to the argument at hand though. Is the theory now that the base has some sort of top secret protective device? Was the base even in the path of the tsunami? How does this bolster the theory that the US caused the tsunami using HAARP?

Next: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/306992.shtml#160806

USA Today says scientist sent emails to officials in Indonesia warning them of the upcoming tsunami. The scientists did not know who to contact, nor what happened to the information. What's conspiratorial about this? I have no problem believing that a bunch of seismologists or oceanic specialists monitoring a bunch of equipment have no idea who to contact in Indonesia if something goes awry. Why would the scientists know that information? Whom should they call?

Next: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/s2357.htm
Not sure the relevence of this link either. It's about the NOAA. I'll let David enlighten me as to what he wanted me to see in this.

Next: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/307042.shtml

Here's an article written by "Authors Various" . . . also known as anonymous claims that no one would directly attach their names to. Therefore it's credibility is lacking, and it should not be considered as anything other than unverifiable rumor of unknown origins.

Next: http://dc.indymedia.org/feature/display/111903/index.php

This one is written by Sirinapha (No verified email address). As above, it is unverifiable and written anonymously (unless there is only one Sirinapha on earth, and that's their one and only name).

Next: http://www.viewzone.com/photopara.html

Again, author Anonymous. That simply means someone claims this info is true, but we don't know who they are or what their sources or evidence may be. Discarded.

Next: http://www.viewzone.com/photopara.html

Another anonymous article detailing HAARP.

LASTLY: http://www.crystalinks.com/haarp.html

Yet another anonymous article detailing HAARP.

So, let's review what factual evidence has actually been presented to support this theory:

1) The US is sending relief ships with a few thousand marines into Asia. The ships will be producing drinkable water, and the marines will be inhabiting an old base from which their humanitarian operations will be conducted. Nothing about the equipment being moved over there screams 'invasion force'.

2) HAARP may or may not be able to deliver a blast comparable to a nuke (how big of a nuke? Who knows. Author remains vague)

3) The US Government has considered global over-population afrom a strategic standpoint.

4) Diego Garcia military base was not scathed by the tsunami.

5) Scientist don't know who to email in Indonesia about tsunamis.

6) The NOAA exists.

7) A lot of anonymous sources have a lot of unverifiable information about HAARP.

I think that'll wrap this post up. I see no compelling evidence that supports the claim that the US somehow used HAARP to engineer a tsunami that kiled off a lot of people in Asia. Does anyone else?

-Dan M

First, let us understand what is meant by "conspiracy":




The waters are muddied by the fact that powerful groups or individuals may have an interest in trying to discredit those who accuse them of real or imagined crimes. The label of "conspiracy theory" has been used to mock or denigrate social and political dissent, for instance when a powerful public figure is accused of corruption.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory


QUESTION: Well, do you feel also ... I mean, I know that you have advanced these arguments and a number of other people have also advanced these arguments -- they are there to be found by anyone who wants to seek them out.... But at the same time, I think there's a great effort in the mainstream media to write these arguments off as conspiracy theory.

CHOMSKY: That's one of the devices by which power defends itself -- by calling any critical analysis of institutions a conspiracy theory. If you call it by that name, then somehow you don't have to pay attention to it. Edward Herman and I, in our recent book, Manufacturing Consent, go into this ploy. What we discuss in that book is simply the institutional factors that essentially set parameters for reporting and interpretation in the ideological institutions. Now, to call that a conspiracy theory is a little bit like saying that, when General Motors tries to increase its market share, it's engaged in a conspiracy. It's not. I mean, part of the structure of corporate capitalism is that the players in the game try to increase profits and market shares; in fact, if they didn't, they would no longer be players in the game. Any economist knows this. And it's not conspiracy theory to point that out; it's just taken for granted. If someone were to say, "Oh, no, that's a conspiracy," people would laugh.

Well, exactly the same is true when you discuss the more complex array of institutional factors that determine such things as what happens in the media. It's precisely the opposite of conspiracy theory. In fact, as you mentioned before, I generally tend to downplay the role of individuals -- they're replaceable pieces. So, it's exactly the opposite of conspiracy theory. It's normal institutional analysis -- the kind of analysis you do automatically when you're trying to understand how the world works. And to call it conspiracy theory is simply part of the effort to prevent an understanding of how the world works.

http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/19900907.htm


Next, let us review the origins of these theories:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO412C.html

(Michel Chossudovsky - who's credible enough for GNN to use as a basis for their analysis of 9-11:
http://www.guerrillanews.com/videos/video.php?id=22)

And the front page of indymedia:

www.indymedia.org


As far as I know, this is the first time either Chossudovsky or indymedia has been questioned as an unreliable source in this forum. Correct me if I am wrong.


Next, let's read Chossudovsky's post, as it contains much analysis that is missing from the superficial overview of the facts (I will mark some important parts with a little on each side of them):

Foreknowledge of A Natural Disaster:
Washington was aware that a deadly Tidal Wave was building up in the Indian Ocean
by Michel Chossudovsky

www.globalresearch.ca 29 December 2004
The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO412C.html

(Revised Dec 31, with the release of more information as well as satellite images of affected areas)


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Magnitude 9 Cascadia Earthquake

More than three hundred years ago, at 9 PM on January 26, 1700 one of the world's largest earthquakes occurred along the west coast of North America. The undersea Cascadia thrust fault ruptured along a 1000 km length, from mid Vancouver Island to northern California in a great earthquake, producing tremendous shaking and a huge tsunami that swept across the Pacific.

These events are recorded in the oral traditions of the First Nations people on Vancouver Island. The tsunami swept across the Pacific also causing destruction along the Pacific coast of Japan. It is the accurate descriptions of the tsunami and the accurate time keeping by the Japanese that allows us to confidently know the size and exact time of this great earthquake.

The recognition of definitive signatures in the geological record tells us the January 26, 1700 event was not a unique event, but has repeated many times at irregular intervals of hundreds of years. Geological evidence indicates that 13 great earthquakes have occurred in the last 6000 years.

Natural Resources Canada http://www.pgc.nrcan.gc.ca/seismo/hist/anniv.press.htm


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The US Military and the State Department were given advanced warning. America's Navy base on the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean was notified.

Why were fishermen in India, Sri Lanka and Thailand not provided with the same warnings as the US Navy and the US State Department?

Why did the US State Department remain mum on the existence of an impending catastrophe?

With a modern communications system, why did the information not get out? By email, telephone, fax, satellite TV... ?

It could have saved the lives of thousands of people.

The earthquake was a Magnitude 9.0 on the Richter scale, among the highest in recorded history. US authorities had initially recorded 8.0 on the Richter scale.



As confirmed by several reports, US scientists in Hawaii, had advanced knowledge regarding an impending catastrophe, but failed to contact their Asian counterparts.

Charles McCreery of the Pacific Warning Center in Hawaii confirmed that his team tried to get in touch with his counterparts in Asia. According to McCreery, director of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's center in Honolulu, the team did its utmost to contact the countries. (The NOAA in Hawaii's Report at http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/s2357.htm ).

We started thinking about who we could call. We talked to the State Department Operations Center and to the military. We called embassies. We talked to the navy in Sri Lanka, any local government official we could get hold of," Hirshorn said. "We were fairly careful about who we called. We wanted to call people who could help."

(quoted in http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Dec/29/ln/ln05p.html )



TSUNAMI BULLETIN NUMBER 001 [initial warning]
PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER/NOAA/NWS ISSUED AT 0114Z 26 DEC 2004

THIS BULLETIN IS FOR ALL AREAS OF THE PACIFIC BASIN EXCEPT ALASKA - BRITISH COLUMBIA - WASHINGTON - OREGON - CALIFORNIA.

TSUNAMI INFORMATION BULLETIN: THIS MESSAGE IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY. THERE IS NO TSUNAMI WARNING OR WATCH IN EFFECT.

AN EARTHQUAKE HAS OCCURRED WITH THESE PRELIMINARY PARAMETERS ORIGIN TIME - 0059Z 26 DEC 2004 COORDINATES - 3.4 NORTH 95.7 EAST LOCATION - OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATERA

MAGNITUDE - 8.0

EVALUATION: THIS EARTHQUAKE IS LOCATED OUTSIDE THE PACIFIC. NO DESTRUCTIVE TSUNAMI THREAT EXISTS BASED ON HISTORICAL EARTHQUAKE AND TSUNAMI

DATA. THIS WILL BE THE ONLY BULLETIN ISSUED FOR THIS EVENT UNLESS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE.

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/olderwmsg


To consult Bulletins: http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/olderwmsg



Note the tone of the first Bulletin above. It downplays an imminent catastrophe. It points to a Magnitude 8.0 Earthquake, subsequently revised to 8.5 and then 9. (See the texts of all three Bulletins in annex to this article).

The Bulletin fails to underscore the seriousness of the situation. It states in a routine fashion. "There is no Tsunami Warning or Watch in Effect" [in the Pacific]. It does not make any statement as to what might happen in the Indian Ocean. Neither does it acknowledge that the country which is worst hit, namely Indonesia, is a member of the Pacific tsunami warning system along with Thailand and Singapore.

In fact, the Bulletin is grossly misleading on the extent of the catastrophe caused by the earthquake and the tsunami which had already hit Indonesia prior to the release of the Bulletin (01.14 GMT), on the North Sumatra Coastline and in Banda, Aceh. To state that there is no tsunami or tsunami warning is mistaken. It had already happened!

We Did Not Know!

Nine (9.0) on the Richter scale: The Director of the Hawaii Warning Center stated that they did not know that the earthquake would generate a deadly seismic wave until it had hit Sri Lanka, more than one and a half hours later, at 2.30 GMT. (see Timeline below)

"Not until the deadly wave hit Sri Lanka and the scientists in Honolulu saw news reports of the damage there did they recognize what was happening...'Then we knew there was something moving across the Indian Ocean,' said Charles McCreery. (quoted in the NYT, 28 Dec 2004 ).

It is impossible that the movement of the seismic wave could have gone unnoticed following the initial devastating impact of the tidal waves in Aceh and North Sumatra immediately after 1.00 GMT on the 26th.

Moreover, according to expert opinion, known to the scientists who were monitoring seismic activity, an earthquake of more than 6.5 on the Richter scale has the potential of triggering a tsunami. In other words, there should have been no hesitation by scientists or government officials on the likely impacts of an earthquake which was initially assessed at 8.0 on the Richter scale.

Moreover, the Hawaii Center's statement is at odds with the Timeline of the seismic wave disaster (see below), which no doubt was also being monitored on a continuous basis, once it hit the Indonesian and Thai coastlines by satellite imaging using the Global Positioning System (GPS). These satellite images are available to a number of agencies including the US military and intelligence. It should be noted, however, that the energy of a tsunami is transferred through open water, it is therefore not easily detectable in the Ocean.

It is the extreme seismic activity which provides advance warning prior to the tsunami reaching the coastline. But as pointed out above, the tsunami had already hit the Indonesian coast shortly shortly after 01.00 GMT:

"In the open ocean, tsunamis would not be felt by ships because the wavelength would be hundreds of miles long, with an amplitude of only a few feet. This would also make them unnoticeable from the air. As the waves approach the coast, their speed decreases and their amplitude increases. Unusual wave heights have been known to be over 100 feet high. However, waves that are 10 to 20 feet high can be very destructive and cause many deaths or injuries." (see http://www.redcross.org/services/disaster/0,1082,0_592_,00.html#feel )

Thailand was hit almost an hour before Sri Lanka and the news reports including photographic evidence were already out. Surely, these reports out of Thailand were known to the scientists in Hawaii, not to mention the office of Sec. Colin Powell, well before the tidal wave reached Sri Lanka.

''We wanted to try to do something, but without a plan in place then, it was not an effective way to issue a warning, or to have it acted upon,'' Dr. McCreery said. ''There would have still been some time -- not a lot of time, but some time -- if there was something that could be done in Madagascar, or on the coast of Africa.''

The above statement by Director of the Hawaii Center is also inconsistent.

The seismic wave reached the East African coastline several hours after it reached The Maldives islands. According to news reports, Male, the capital of the Maldives was hit three hours after the earthquake, at approximately 4.00 GMT. By that time everybody around the World knew.


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The following satellite image of the disaster was taken at approximately 05.00 GMT, about two hours after the Tsunami hit the coastline (click to download and enlarge)

Sri Lanka Coastline


Kalutara, Sri Lanka

Tsunami Hits Sri Lanka Coastline (Satellite Image)


Byline: Image collected Dec 26, 2004 at 10:20 a.m. four hours after the earthquake and shortly after the moment of tsunami impact.

click to Enlarge



Courtesy: GlobalImage


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It is worth noting that the US Navy was fully aware of the deadly seismic wave, because the Navy was on the Pacific Warning Center's list of contacts. The Military also has its own advanced systems including satellite images, which enables it to monitor in a very precise way the movement of the seismic wave in real time. In other words, in all likelihood the US Military had information on an impending catastrophe.

Moreover, America's strategic Naval base on the island of Diego Garcia had also been notified. Although directly in the path of the tidal wave (see animated chart below), the Diego Garcia military base reported "no damage".

"One of the few places in the Indian Ocean that got the message of the quake was Diego Garcia, a speck of an island with a United States Navy base, because the Pacific warning center's contact list includes the Navy. Finding the appropriate people in Sri Lanka or India was harder." (NYT, 28 Dec 2004, emphasis added)

Now how hard is it to pick up the phone and call Sri Lanka?

According to Charles McCreery, director of the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center.

"We don't have contacts in our address book for anybody in that part of the world."

Only after the first waves hit Sri Lanka did workers at National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre [PTWC] and others in Hawaii start making phone calls to US diplomats in Madagascar and Mauritius in an attempt to head off further disaster.

"We didn't have a contact in place where you could just pick up the phone," Dolores Clark, spokeswoman for the International Tsunami Information Centre in Hawaii said. "We were starting from scratch."

These statements on the surface are ambiguous, since several Indian Ocean Asian countries are in fact members of the Tsunami Warning System.

There are 26 member countries of the International Coordination Group for the Tsunami Warning System , including Thailand, Singapore and Indonesia. All these countries would normally be in the address book of the PTWC, which works in close coordination with its sister organization the ICGTWS , which has its offices at the headquarters of the National Weather Service Pacific Region Headquarters in downtown Honolulu.

The mandate of the ICGTWS is to "assist member states in establishing national warning systems, and makes information available on current technologies for tsunami warning systems." Australia and Indonesia were notified.

The US Congress is to investigate

The US Congress is to investigate why the US government did not notify all the Indian Ocean nations in the affected area:

"Only two countries in the affected region, Indonesia and Australia, received the warning.. Yet the tsunami took as long as two hours to reach some countries, and NOAA's critics say timely even unofficial warnings might have allowed people in coastal areas to flee."

Maine Senator Olympia Snowe is "exploring and looking into why NOAA was not able to provide this valuable, life-saving information to the 11 affected nations," (quoted in Boston Globe, 29 Dec 2004):

The issue of the Ocean Sensors is a Red Herring

"Although Thailand belongs to the international tsunami-warning network, its west coast does not have the system's wave sensors mounted on ocean buoys.

The northern tip of the earthquake fault is located near the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and tsunamis appear to have rushed eastward toward the Thai resort of Phuket.

"They had no tidal gauges and they had no warning," said Waverly Person, a geophysicist at the National Earthquake Information Centre in Golden, Colorado, U.S., which monitors seismic activity worldwide. "There are no buoys in the Indian Ocean and that's where this tsunami occurred."" (Hindu, 27 Dec 2004)

The Hawaii Center was not able to warn them because they had no sensors in the Indian Ocean: That argument is a Red Herring.

We are not dealing with information based on Ocean sensors: the emergency warning was transmitted in the immediate wake of the earthquake (based on seismic data). The earthquake took place at 00.58 GMT on the 26th of Dec. The report was transmitted to The State Department and the US Navy following the earthquake.

With modern communications, the information of an impending disaster could have been sent around the World in a matter of minutes, by email, by telephone, by fax, not to mention by live satellite Television.

Coastguards, municipalities, local governments, tourist hotels, etc. could have been warned.

According to Tsunami Society President Prof. Tad Murty of the University of Manitoba:

'there's no reason for a single individual to get killed in a tsunami,' since most areas had anywhere from 25 minutes to four hours before a wave hit. So, once again, because of indifference and corruption thousands of innocent people have died needlessly." (Calgary Sun, 28 Dec 2004)

While the above quote is an overstatement, given the nature and magnitude of the catastrophe, it should nonetheless be taken seriously.

Key Questions

1. Why were the Indian Ocean countries' governments not informed?

Were there "guidelines" from the US military or the State Department regarding the release of an advanced warning?

According to the statement of the Hawaii based PTWC, advanced warning was released but on a selective basis. Indonesia was already hit, so the warning was in any event redundant and Australia was several thousand miles from the epicentre of the earthquake and was, therefore, under no immediate threat.

2. Did US authorities monitoring seismographic data have knowledge of the earthquake prior to its actual occurrence at 00.57 GMT on the 26th of December?

The question is whether there were indications of abnormal seismic activity prior to 01.00 GMT on the 26th of Dec.

The US Geological Survey confirmed that the earthquake which triggered the tidal wave measured 9.0 on the Richter scale and was the fourth largest quake since 1900. In such cases, one would expect evidence of abnormal seismic activity before the actual occurrence of a major earthquake.

3. Why is the US military Calling the Shots on Humanitarian Relief

Why in the wake of the disaster, is the US military (rather than civilian humanitarian/aid organizations operating under UN auspices) taking a lead role?

The US Pacific Command has been designated to coordinate the channeling of emergency relief? Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Rusty Blackman, commander of the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force based in Okinawa, has been designated to lead the emergency relief program.

Lieutenant General Blackman was previously Chief of Staff for Coalition Forces Land Component Command, responsible for leading the Marines into Baghdad during "Operation Iraqi Freedom."

Three "Marine disaster relief assessment teams" under Blackman's command have been sent to Thailand, Sri Lanka and Indonesia.

US military aircraft are conducting observation missions.

In a bitter irony, part of this operation is being coordinated out of America's Naval base in Diego Garcia, which was not struck by the tidal wave. Meanwhile, "USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group, which was in Hong Kong when the earthquake and tsunamis struck, has been diverted to the Gulf of Thailand to support recovery operations" (Press Conference of Pacific Command, http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2004/n12292004_2004122905.html ).

Two Aircraft Carriers have been sent to the region.

Why is it necessary for the US to mobilize so much military equipment? The pattern is unprecedented:

Conway said the Lincoln carrier strike group has 12 helicopters embarked that he said could be "extremely valuable" in recovery missions.

An additional 25 helicopters are aboard USS Bonhomme Richard, headed to the Bay of Bengal. Conway said the expeditionary strike group was in Guam and is forgoing port visits in Guam and Singapore and expects to arrive in the Bay of Bengal by Jan. 7.

Conway said the strike group, with its seven ships, 2,100 Marines and 1,400 sailors aboard, also has four Cobra helicopters that will be instrumented in reconnaissance efforts.

Because fresh water is one of the greatest needs in the region, Fargo has ordered seven ships — each capable of producing 90,000 gallons of fresh water a day — to the region. Conway said five of these ships are pre-positioned in Guam and two will come from Diego Garcia.

A field hospital ship pre-positioned in Guam would also be ordered to the region, depending on findings of the disaster relief assessment teams and need, Conway said. (Ibid)

Why has a senior commander involved in the invasion of Iraq been assigned to lead the US emergency relief program?


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The Tsunami Timeline

Sunday 26 December 2004 (GMT)

00.57 GMT: Between 00.57 GMT and 00.59 GMT, an 8.9 magnitude earthquake occurs on the seafloor near Aceh in northern Indonesia. (See http://ioc.unesco.org/itsu/ and other reports)

00.58 GMT: Saturday 25 December, 2.58 pm Hawaii Time (GMT-10) 26 Dec 00.58 GMT. US government's Pacific Tsunami Warning Center registers the earthquake on its seismic instruments. In other words at the time of its occurrence at 00.58 GMT.

shortly after 01.00 GMT: Earthquake hits several cities in Indonesia, creates panic in urban areas in peninsular Malaysia. The news of the earthquake is reported immediately.

01.3O GMT: Phuket and Coast of Thailand: The tidal wave hits to coastline shortly after 8.30 am, 01.30 GMT

02.30 GMT: Colombo Sri Lanka and Eastern Coast of Sri Lanka, the tidal wave hits the coastal regions close to the capital Colombo, according to report at 8.30 am local time, 02.30 GMT (an hour and a half after the earthquake)

02.45 GMT: India's Eastern Coastline. The tsunami hits India's eastern coast from 6:15 a.m.(2:45 GMT)

04.00 GMT: Male, Maldives: From about 9:00 am (0400 GMT), three hours after the earthquake, the capital, Male, and other parts of the country were flooded by the tsunami. (more than three hours after the earthquake)

11.00 GMT (approximate time according to news dispatches): East Coast of Africa is hit. More than ten hours after the earthquake


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For a review of the official statement by NOAA at the Hawaii Center, click

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/s2358.htm


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The animation below indicates approximate times at which the tidal wave hits the coastal areas of Indonesia, Thailand, Myanmar, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, India, Bangladesh, The Maldives.

Click on the image to see an animation (650 KB)



(Animation provided by Kenji Satake, National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology, Japan)


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TEXT OF NOAA WARNINGS
Note the first message points to a Magnitude 8.0 Earthquake, subsequently revised t0 8.5 and then 9.

But it states in a routine fashion. This is not a Tsunami Warning. In fact the Bulletin is ambiguous because it in effect misleads.

It suggests that there is no danger in the Pacific. It does not make any statement as to what might happen in the Indian Ocean.


The following messages were transmitted to tsunami warning centres in the Pacific Region between 26 and 27 December 2004:

emphasis added


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TSUNAMI BULLETIN NUMBER 001 [initial warning]

PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER/NOAA/NWS

ISSUED AT 0114Z 26 DEC 2004

THIS BULLETIN IS FOR ALL AREAS OF THE PACIFIC BASIN EXCEPT

ALASKA - BRITISH COLUMBIA - WASHINGTON - OREGON - CALIFORNIA.

.................. TSUNAMI INFORMATION BULLETIN ..................

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY. THERE IS NO TSUNAMI WARNING

OR WATCH IN EFFECT.

AN EARTHQUAKE HAS OCCURRED WITH THESE PRELIMINARY PARAMETERS

ORIGIN TIME - 0059Z 26 DEC 2004

COORDINATES - 3.4 NORTH 95.7 EAST

LOCATION - OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATERA

MAGNITUDE - 8.0

EVALUATION

THIS EARTHQUAKE IS LOCATED OUTSIDE THE PACIFIC. NO DESTRUCTIVE

TSUNAMI THREAT EXISTS BASED ON HISTORICAL EARTHQUAKE AND TSUNAMI

DATA.

THIS WILL BE THE ONLY BULLETIN ISSUED FOR THIS EVENT UNLESS

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE.

THE WEST COAST/ALASKA TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER WILL ISSUE BULLETINS

FOR ALASKA - BRITISH COLUMBIA - WASHINGTON - OREGON - CALIFORNIA.


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ITIC Tsunami Bulletin Board

TSUNAMI BULLETIN NUMBER 002

PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER/NOAA/NWS

ISSUED AT 0204Z 26 DEC 2004

[one hour later after the earthquake. The Indonesian and Thai Coast have already been hit and they say there is a possibility of a Tsunami near the Epicentre, when in fact the Tsumai had already hit. One has the distinct impression of double standards. No danger in the Pacific]

THIS BULLETIN IS FOR ALL AREAS OF THE PACIFIC BASIN EXCEPT

ALASKA - BRITISH COLUMBIA - WASHINGTON - OREGON - CALIFORNIA.

.................. TSUNAMI INFORMATION BULLETIN ..................

ATTENTION: NOTE REVISED MAGNITUDE.

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY. THERE IS NO TSUNAMI WARNING

OR WATCH IN EFFECT.

AN EARTHQUAKE HAS OCCURRED WITH THESE PRELIMINARY PARAMETERS

ORIGIN TIME - 0059Z 26 DEC 2004

COORDINATES - 3.4 NORTH 95.7 EAST

LOCATION - OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATERA

MAGNITUDE - 8.5

EVALUATION

REVISED MAGNITUDE BASED ON ANALYSIS OF MANTLE WAVES.

THIS EARTHQUAKE IS LOCATED OUTSIDE THE PACIFIC. NO DESTRUCTIVE

TSUNAMI THREAT EXISTS FOR THE PACIFIC BASIN BASED ON HISTORICAL

EARTHQUAKE AND TSUNAMI DATA.

THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF A TSUNAMI NEAR THE EPICENTER.

THIS WILL BE THE ONLY BULLETIN ISSUED FOR THIS EVENT UNLESS

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE.

THE WEST COAST/ALASKA TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER WILL ISSUE BULLETINS

FOR ALASKA - BRITISH COLUMBIA - WASHINGTON - OREGON - CALIFORNIA.


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ITIC Tsunami Bulletin Board

TSUNAMI BULLETIN NUMBER 003

PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER/NOAA/NWS

ISSUED AT 1535Z 27 DEC 2004

THIS BULLETIN IS FOR ALL AREAS OF THE PACIFIC BASIN EXCEPT

ALASKA - BRITISH COLUMBIA - WASHINGTON - OREGON - CALIFORNIA.

.................. TSUNAMI INFORMATION BULLETIN ..................

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY. THERE IS NO TSUNAMI WARNING

OR WATCH IN EFFECT.

AN EARTHQUAKE HAS OCCURRED WITH THESE PRELIMINARY PARAMETERS

ORIGIN TIME - 0059Z 26 DEC 2004

COORDINATES - 3.4 NORTH 95.7 EAST

LOCATION - OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATERA

MAGNITUDE - 9.0

EVALUATION

SOME ENERGY FROM YESTERDAYS TSUNAMI IN THE INDIAN OCEAN HAS

LEAKED INTO THE PACIFIC BASIN... PROBABLY FROM SOUTH OF THE

AUSTRALIAN CONTINENT. THIS ENERGY HAS PRODUCED MINOR

SEA LEVEL FLUCTUATIONS AT MANY PLACES IN THE PACIFIC. FOR

EXAMPLE...

50 CM CREST-TO-TROUGH AT CALLAO CHILE

19 CM CREST-TO-TROUGH AT IQUIQUE CHILE

13 CM CREST-TO-TROUGH AT PAGO PAGO AMERICAN SAMOA

11 CM CREST-TO-TROUGH AT SUVA FIJI

50 CM CREST-TO-TROUGH AT WAITANGI CHATHAM IS NEW ZEALAND

65 CM CREST-TO-TROUGH AT JACKSON BAY NEW ZEALAND

18 CM CREST-TO-TROUGH AT PORT VILA VANUATU

06 CM CREST-TO-TROUGH AT HILO HAWAII USA

22 CM CREST-TO-TROUGH AT SAN DIEGO CALIFORNIA USA

HOWEVER... AT MANZANILLO MEXICO SEA LEVEL FLUCTUATIONS WERE

AS MUCH AS 2.6 METERS CREST-TO-TROUGH PROBABLY DUE TO FOCUSING

OF ENERGY BY THE EAST PACIFIC RISE AS WELL AS LOCAL RESONANCES.

THIS IS TO ADVISE THAT SMALL SEA LEVEL CHANGES COULD CONTINUE

TO BE OBSERVED ACROSS THE PACIFIC OVER THE NEXT DAY OR TWO

UNTIL ALL ENERGY FROM THIS EVENT IS EVENTUALLY DISSIPATED.

THIS WILL BE THE FINAL BULLETIN ISSUED FOR THIS EVENT UNLESS

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE.

THE WEST COAST/ALASKA TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER WILL ISSUE BULLETINS

FOR ALASKA - BRITISH COLUMBIA - WASHINGTON - OREGON - CALIFORNIA.


source:

http://ioc.unesco.org/itsu/contents.php?id=136


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Satellite Images of the Disaster

Indonesia Click to Enlarge (Courtesy GlobalImage)

Banda Aceh City Overview


Imagery collected December 28, 2004


Description:
Area overview
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Banda Aceh City Overview (Before Tsunami)


Imagery collected June 23, 2004


Description:
Area overview before tsunami
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Banda Aceh City Detail


Imagery collected December 28, 2004


Description:
City detail after tsunami (image rotated)
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India Click to Enlarge (courtesy http://www.spaceimaging.com/





Nagappattinam, India
December 29, 2004. The port city, also called Negapattinam, is situated on the low plain of the Coromandel Coast, in central Tamil Nadu

Chennai
Side by Side comparison
Tarangambadi, India
Karaikal




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26 Dec 2004

Seismic Activity on Dec 26

(click http://www.pgc.nrcan.gc.ca/seisplots/long-period/200412/20041226.PGC.LHZ.24hr.gif

Note: extreme seismic activity prior to 01.00 GMT


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Global Seismic Activity in the Days prior to the Disaster Soource, The Hindu, http://www.hindu.com/2004/12/27/stories/2004122712212000.htm

December 26

The Andaman Islands, India region: 5.8, 5.7, 5.7, 6.1 6.0 5.8 and 5.8 on the Richter scale; the Nicobar Islands: 7.3 and 6.0; Off W Coast Of Northern Sumatra: 5.9, 5.8 and 8.9; and Northern Sumatra, Indonesia: 5.9.

December 24

Java, Indonesia 4.6; Vanuatu Region 5.3; Fiji Region 5.1; and North Of Macquarie Island 5.5.

December 23

North Of Macquarie Island 8.1; and Central Alaska 4.5.

December 22

Southern East Pacific Rise 6.1; Off The Coast Of Oregon 4.9; South Sandwich Islands Region 4.5; Guatemala 4.3; Rota Region, Northern Mariana Islands 4.5; and Taiwan 4.3.

December 21

Halmahera, Indonesia 5.4; Southern Alaska 5.1; and Hokkaido, Japan Region 5.6.

December 20

Western Turkey 5.3; Cayman Islands Region 4.4; Galapagos Triple Junction Region 5.4; Central Mid-Atlantic Ridge 4.9; Izu Islands, Japan Region 4.7; Valparaiso, Chile 2.8; Tonga 4.9; Libertador O Higgins, Chile 3.0; Coquimbo, Chile 3.4; and Near The Coast Of Central Peru 5.0.

December 19

Valparaiso, Chile 4.0 and 3.6; Alaska Peninsula 5.2; Fiji Region 5.2; Mindanao, Philippines 5.4; South Of Panama 4.7; Panama 5.5; Coquimbo, Chile 3.6; Near The East Coast Of Honshu, Japan 5.3; Western Australia 2.9; Vanuatu Region 5.3; and Northern Peru 4.9.




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The Richter Scale

US scientists in Hawaii had initially indicated that the earthquake was of a magnitude of 8.0 (ten times weaker than in the case a 9.0 earthquake on the Richter scale).

How can an error of this nature be made, with very sophisticated measuring equipment?

According to Natural Resources Canada:
"The magnitude of an earthquake is a measure of the amount of energy released. Each earthquake has a unique magnitude assigned to it. This is based on the amplitude of seismic waves measured at a number of seismograph sites, after being corrected for distance from the earthquake. Magnitude estimates often change by up to 0.2 units, as additional data are included in the estimate.

The Richter scale is logarithmic, that is an increase of 1 magnitude unit represents a factor of ten times in amplitude. The seismic waves of a magnitude 6 earthquake are 10 times greater in amplitude than those of a magnitude 5 earthquake. However, in terms of energy release, a magnitude 6 earthquake is about 31 times greater than a magnitude 5. The intensity of an earthquake varies greatly according to distance from the earthquake, ground conditions, and other factors. The Modified Mercalli Intensity Scale is used to describe earthquake effects." ( http://www.pgc.nrcan.gc.ca/seismo/eqinfo/richter.htm )

The following criteria are given by Natural Resources, Canada:
M=8: "Great" earthquake, great destruction, loss of life over several 100 km (1906 San Francisco, 1949 Queen Charlotte Islands) .

M=9: Rare great earthquake, major damage over a large region over 1000 km (Chile 1960, Alaska 1964, and west coast of British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, 1700) .

Source Natural Resources Canada: http://www.pgc.nrcan.gc.ca/seismo/eqinfo/richter.htm


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Funny, also, what was left out of the analysis above:

Please also check out www.indymedia.org (read their entire analysis) and read also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aceh

Very interesting that this is the center of the earthquake and also the center of the oil in the area. If you understand "peak oil", you understand the motive.

iI am soo weak!!!
I agree with Jodi, but I couldnt stay away from this topic.....

I agree, I believe that HAARP is totally capable of producing this and much, much more....

Odd that the U.S. military base was spared; I truly hope that this was some natural occurence of nature, but one cant help but to wonder if that was just ole G.W. celebrating his election victory.

HA!!! Now they are planning to groom ole Jeb for the next 8 years... hello America? are you watching?

There is sooo much to say, but I cant even begin to back it all up; besides, davidmalvovine does it sooo well.

David, I so admire your research skilz, but I sure wish, for my prefs, that you offered a 'condensed' edition.

I dont always agree, but I LOVE the fact that you back it up with links that I may view the same data for my own analysis. Thanx.

First things first people, people of the WORLD.
We must get the Bush family out of office, before they DESTROY the world we live in...

I know its not them, entirely: but I put them right there with tree-spikers...

That was a long, thought provoking read, though I don't think anything in there lent any credibility to the HAARP Attack/World depopulation theory. Some observations:

Quote:

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Why were fishermen in India, Sri Lanka and Thailand not provided with the same warnings as the US Navy and the US State Department?

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First consider the inverse of this question: Why would fishermen in India, Sri Lanka, and Thailand be given the same warning as the US NAVY and US State department? Through what avenues is such information supposed to travel, in what language, and through what social or government channels?

It is hardly surprising that something the US is aware of hours beforehand is not translated into multiple languages and sent to every fisherman in the Indian Ocean.

Quote:

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Why did the US State Department remain mum on the existence of an impending catastrophe?

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Is it the US State Departments duty to keep India's fishermen informed of oceanic quakes? If the State Department knowingly and willfully kept the nations of the region in the dark on the matter then they should answer for it. However no solid evidence has been presented to indicate that this is so. It's hardly reasonable to blame the US State Department for not warning all of India and Thailands fishermen.

Quote:

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As confirmed by several reports, US scientists in Hawaii, had advanced knowledge regarding an impending catastrophe, but failed to contact their Asian counterparts.

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Though not due to lack of trying, as the next paragraph will state:

Quote:

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Charles McCreery of the Pacific Warning Center in Hawaii confirmed that his team tried to get in touch with his counterparts in Asia. According to McCreery, director of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's center in Honolulu, the team did its utmost to contact the countries. (The NOAA in Hawaii's Report at http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/s2357.htm ).

We started thinking about who we could call. We talked to the State Department Operations Center and to the military. We called embassies. We talked to the navy in Sri Lanka, any local government official we could get hold of," Hirshorn said. "We were fairly careful about who we called. We wanted to call people who could help."

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So contact was attempted. The US did not sit on it's hands and watch a lot of people die. Those who had the information did not have adequate avenues to dissemenate this information to those who needed it.

Quote:

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The Bulletin fails to underscore the seriousness of the situation. It states in a routine fashion. "There is no Tsunami Warning or Watch in Effect" [in the Pacific]. It does not make any statement as to what might happen in the Indian Ocean.

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It is not surprising to me that the PACIFIC bulletin sent to entitites along the PACIFIC Ocean does not detail what is going on in the INDIAN Ocean. Is there a watch for the Indian Ocean? If so, what did they report?

Quote:

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Moreover, according to expert opinion, known to the scientists who were monitoring seismic activity, an earthquake of more than 6.5 on the Richter scale has the potential of triggering a tsunami. In other words, there should have been no hesitation by scientists or government officials on the likely impacts of an earthquake which was initially assessed at 8.0 on the Richter scale.

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Here the author gets a little careless. The author cites 'expert opinion' without ever naming the expert. He further claims this expert opionion was "known to the scientist". How is it the author is able to address what the sceintist do or do not know?

Quote:

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Thailand was hit almost an hour before Sri Lanka and the news reports including photographic evidence were already out. Surely, these reports out of Thailand were known to the scientists in Hawaii, not to mention the office of Sec. Colin Powell, well before the tidal wave reached Sri Lanka.

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Obviously Thailand knew as well. Why didn't they warn Sri Lanka? Why didn't any of the 26 other nations warn Sri Lanka?

Quote:

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It is worth noting that the US Navy was fully aware of the deadly seismic wave, because the Navy was on the Pacific Warning Center's list of contacts. The Military also has its own advanced systems including satellite images, which enables it to monitor in a very precise way the movement of the seismic wave in real time. In other words, in all likelihood the US Military had information on an impending catastrophe.

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It is also worth noting that the US military is not responsible for telling foreign governments that they need to warn their people of impending disaster. This is an attempt to show the military as negligent when in fact they have no obligation, responsibility, or orders to dissemenate information to foreign governments. How is it that 26 nations are part of this warning system, yet the blame is aimed at the US Navy? Are captains of the US Navy expected to start calling leaders of foreign countries and informing them of seismic activity? By what lines of communication?

Quote:

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Now how hard is it to pick up the phone and call Sri Lanka?

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Ask Thailand . .. or any of the 26 other members that were part of the Pacific monitoring system.

The article does ask some compelling questions about the use of the military during relief efforts . . . but none of it points to the use of HAARP, an attempt to seize oil from Indonesia, or any of the other allegations.

The article fairly raises questions as to why the nations hit by the Tsunami were not warned in a timely manner. That is a question the US Congress is looking into, and one that the world deserves an answer to. However the HAARP attack/World depopulation theory gained no factual backing in any of this.

The theory remains without any factual legs to stand on.

-Dan M

Regarding the request for a condensed argument - I think that would be useful too, but we'll get to that later - enough people died to warrant a careful overview of the facts.








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"First consider the inverse of this question: Why would fishermen in India, Sri Lanka, and Thailand be given the same warning as the US NAVY and US State department?"

Because they, and not the US Navy and State department, were at risk. Why have a warning system if the only ones you are to warn are the ones aboard aircraft carriers and in military bases? How utterly callous.








"Through what avenues is such information supposed to travel, in what language, and through what social or government channels?"

What good is an early warning system that is only in one language?

Governments have translators and embassies, they call each other on the phone, then the governments call their mass media - ten minutes max - probably less.








"It is hardly surprising that something the US is aware of hours beforehand is not translated into multiple languages and sent to every fisherman in the Indian Ocean."

I see. Spend a few billion afterwards instead of making a few calls beforehand to save tens of thousands of lies - not cost effective (unless you were trying to kill people in the first place).








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Why did the US State Department remain mum on the existence of an impending catastrophe?



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"Is it the US State Departments duty to keep India's fishermen informed of oceanic quakes?"

I see - our obligation is only to help ease suffering afterwards - not prevent it. You're making sooooooo much sense here.









"If the State Department knowingly and willfully kept the nations of the region in the dark on the matter then they should answer for it. However no solid evidence has been presented to indicate that this is so. It's hardly reasonable to blame the US State Department for not warning all of India and Thailands fishermen."

So we shouldn't bother to ask the question why they were not warned if it was easy to do so?






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As confirmed by several reports, US scientists in Hawaii, had advanced knowledge regarding an impending catastrophe, but failed to contact their Asian counterparts.
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Though not due to lack of trying, as the next paragraph will state:


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Charles McCreery of the Pacific Warning Center in Hawaii confirmed that his team tried to get in touch with his counterparts in Asia. According to McCreery, director of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's center in Honolulu, the team did its utmost to contact the countries. (The NOAA in Hawaii's Report at http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/s2357.htm ).

We started thinking about who we could call. We talked to the State Department Operations Center and to the military. We called embassies. We talked to the navy in Sri Lanka, any local government official we could get hold of," Hirshorn said. "We were fairly careful about who we called. We wanted to call people who could help."


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"So contact was attempted. The US did not sit on it's hands and watch a lot of people die."

Some scientists didn't - but the US military did and the governments of other countries did. You can't make the huge leap that "the US didn't sit on their hands" just because some US scientists tried to help.



"Those who had the information did not have adequate avenues to dissemenate this information to those who needed it."

That's the optimistic view. Re-read the Kissinger report on population control:

http://www.lifesite.net/waronfamily/nssm200/

and check this out:

Rockefeller's Council on Foreign Relations recently published an article stating that the US population should be reduced to "about it's size in the 1940's" (200) - in other words, cut it back by at least half. It goes without saying that similar (if not more drastic) "cuts" are called for in the rest of the world. Most of their attention is with the "less developed" countries. (201)

As ecologist Murry Buckchin (202) so eloquently put it;

"All too often, alas, the overpopulation message is also focused on Third World countries. (This, although the number of people who occupy a square mile in the Third World is actually immensely smaller than the numbers for Europe and the United States)."


(200) Negative Population Control, Inc. "Foreign Affairs Magazine, 1996, Volume 75; No. 2 see also "Death in the Air" p. 76, 90 and " Horowits, Leonard G., "Emerging Viruses - Aids and Ebola - Nature, Accident or Intentional?," 1997, Tetrahedron, p. 496 - "Marrs, Jim, "Rule by Secrecy," 2000, Harper-Collins, pp. 32-34

(201) "Emerging Viruses" pp. 156-158

(202) dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bookchin/communitycontrol.html

www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer




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The Bulletin fails to underscore the seriousness of the situation. It states in a routine fashion. "There is no Tsunami Warning or Watch in Effect" [in the Pacific]. It does not make any statement as to what might happen in the Indian Ocean.
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"It is not surprising to me that the PACIFIC bulletin sent to entitites along the PACIFIC Ocean does not detail what is going on in the INDIAN Ocean. Is there a watch for the Indian Ocean?"

It's the same for everyone:
http://www.prh.noaa.gov/itic/
Here's the warning everyone in the area should have gotten BY PHONE:
http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/wmsg


"If so, what did they report?"

THERE IS NO TSUNAMI WARNING
OR WATCH IN EFFECT.

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/wmsg




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Moreover, according to expert opinion, known to the scientists who were monitoring seismic activity, an earthquake of more than 6.5 on the Richter scale has the potential of triggering a tsunami. In other words, there should have been no hesitation by scientists or government officials on the likely impacts of an earthquake which was initially assessed at 8.0 on the Richter scale.


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"Here the author gets a little careless. The author cites 'expert opinion' without ever naming the expert. He further claims this expert opionion was "known to the scientist". How is it the author is able to address what the sceintist do or do not know?"


Ever been in an Earthquake? I have - 7.0 San Francisco 1989. A 6.6 (what the warning was initially rated) is considered "Strong 6.0-6.9 Can be destructive in areas up to about 100 miles across in populated areas. 120 per year"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_magnitude_scale

If there are only 120 per year and considered "strong" - any felt off shore anywhere should have a warning along with them. (120 % 7 different Seas = about less than 20 per sea per year).






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Thailand was hit almost an hour before Sri Lanka and the news reports including photographic evidence were already out. Surely, these reports out of Thailand were known to the scientists in Hawaii, not to mention the office of Sec. Colin Powell, well before the tidal wave reached Sri Lanka.


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Obviously Thailand knew as well. Why didn't they warn Sri Lanka? Why didn't any of the 26 other nations warn Sri Lanka?

See "population control" links and info above. It's the world's governments and military vs. SOME of it's scientists and population.







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It is worth noting that the US Navy was fully aware of the deadly seismic wave, because the Navy was on the Pacific Warning Center's list of contacts. The Military also has its own advanced systems including satellite images, which enables it to monitor in a very precise way the movement of the seismic wave in real time. In other words, in all likelihood the US Military had information on an impending catastrophe.
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"It is also worth noting that the US military is not responsible for telling foreign governments that they need to warn their people of impending disaster."

If they get sent in after - why can't they call before? Are they only for post-suffering assistance? - you're making no sense again.






"This is an attempt to show the military as negligent when in fact they have no obligation, responsibility, or orders to dissemenate information to foreign governments. How is it that 26 nations are part of this warning system, yet the blame is aimed at the US Navy? Are captains of the US Navy expected to start calling leaders of foreign countries and informing them of seismic activity? By what lines of communication?"

Telephones.










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Now how hard is it to pick up the phone and call Sri Lanka?
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"Ask Thailand . .. or any of the 26 other members that were part of the Pacific monitoring system."

Obviously the system failed. If it failed and the end result was 1) the US military get to occupy bases in oil-rich places and 2) Kissinger gets to "depopulate" the brown-skinned world, you gotta start to wonder about that.







"The article does ask some compelling questions about the use of the military during relief efforts . . . but none of it points to the use of HAARP, an attempt to seize oil from Indonesia, or any of the other allegations."

That's why I included all those other frickin links. You're isolating each of them, dismissing anything that doesn't have a name to it without looking at it, and not seeing the big picture.

I guess I'm gonna have to walk you through this holding your hand.









"The article fairly raises questions as to why the nations hit by the Tsunami were not warned in a timely manner. That is a question the US Congress is looking into, and one that the world deserves an answer to. However the HAARP attack/World depopulation theory gained no factual backing in any of this.

The theory remains without any factual legs to stand on."

Let's look at the links I didn't bother to print out in full - you obviously haven't read anything that I didn't repost here with little Graemlins to point out the important parts with.


www.indymedia.org

leads to:

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/306992.shtml#160806

which leads to:

FACTS

Aceh has fought for independence for many years - even before Indonesia became a democracy (AKA US protectorate) a few years ago.

There is oil, a lot of it, in Indonesia.

The US is engaged in military "training" in the region.

80,000 + people in Aceh died in the earthquake.





Title: HAARP-watch: fake HAARP tremors rock earth deep beneath San Andreas Fault
Author: haarp-watch, Michel Chossudovsky
Date: 2004.12.11 07:02
Description: Mysterious tremors deep beneath the San Andreas Fault near the quake-prone town of Parkfield are shaking the earth's brittle crust, FAR BELOW THE REGION WHERE EARTHQUAKES NORMALLY STRIKE -- and scientists say THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING or what the motions mean. Seismic researchers are monitoring the strange vibrations..."..."We see this kind of tremor activity inside volcanoes like Mount St. Helens," Nadeau said, "but that's due to the movement of rising magma, and in the tremors we've recorded there's NO EVIDENCE OF VOLCANISM and NO SEISMIC WAVES TYPICAL OF ORDINARY EARTHQUAKES." "In the US, the technology is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP) as part of the ("Star Wars") Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI). Recent scientific evidence suggests that HAARP is fully operational and has the ability of potentially triggering floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction. Potentially, it constitutes an instrument of conquest capable of selectively destabilising agricultural and ecological systems of entire regions."
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305741.shtml



Aceh Province stands out amid the disaster's deepening toll, not only because it was closest to the earthquake's epicenter, but because the disaster has intruded on a region in the grip of a civil war. Aceh has been under martial law since May of last year, when five months of peace talks between separatist rebels and the government broke down.

The president at the time, Megawati Sukarnoputri, dispatched 40,000 troops to secure the province, whose oil and gas resources are vital to government revenue. The government declared a cease-fire after the earthquake, and observers said the truce appeared to be holding, allowing relief workers to tend to survivors.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/123004X.shtml


"A tsunami last crossed the Indian Ocean in 1509. Scientists had not expected anything close to the quake and killer waves that struck Sunday because 90 percent of tsunamis occur in the Pacific Ocean, where there are warning systems."

http://www.rense.com/general61/ring.htm
http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/37340.htm

"We put out a bulletin within 20 minutes, technically as fast as we could do it," says Jeff LaDouce of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. LaDouce says e-mails were dispatched to Indonesian officials, but he doesn't know what happened to the information."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/usatoday/20041228/ts_usatoday/scientistsinusasawtsunamicoming

Deigo Garcia Military Base Unaffected By Tsunamis
ABC.net
12-28-4


The key United States military base in the Indian Ocean has been unaffected by the tsunamis which have devastated parts of Asia, The Washington Post has reported.

Diego Garcia, a British territory about 1,500 kilometres south of India, hosts about 3,200 US military personnel and civilian contractors and many US long-range bombers and Navy ships.

Lieutenant Colonel Bill Bigelow, a spokesman for US Pacific Command in Hawaii told the newspaper the US base was apparently safe.

"There are no reports of any damage there," Lt Col Bigelow said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200412/s1273118.htm


check out full article
http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=10211&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported
December 28, 2004

Earthquake: Coincidence or a Corporate Oil Tragedy? - Independent Media TV - Article - 2004-12-28
The Oil industry has been doing a great deal of seismic tests near Tasmania, Australia and there have been whale beachings, and recent earthquakes in the region. There was a magnitude 8.1 earthquake near Tasmania, Australia 2 days before the 9.0 Earthquake in Indonesia. Coincidently, the Australian tectonic plate intersects with the Indian tectonic plate at the exact point of the 9.0 earthquake which has killed tens of thousands of people.

On November 28th, one month ago, Reuters reported that during a 3 day span 169 whales and dolphins beached themselves in Tasmania, an island of the southern coast of mainland Australia and in New Zealand. The cause for these beachings is not known, but Bob Brown, a senator in the Australian parliament, said "sound bombing" or seismic tests of ocean floors to test for oil and gas had been carried out near the sites of the Tasmanian beachings recently.

(you honestly have to click on the link and look at the picture of the beached dolphins)



The Pentagon quote: "Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally... It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog, and storms on earth or ***to modify space weather,*** ... and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of technologies which can provide substantial increase in US, or degraded capability in an adversary, to achieve global awareness, reach, and power. (US Air Force, emphasis added. Air University of the US Air Force, AF 2025 Final Report, http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/

Listen to them - they sound just like the atomic weapons designers ... and the biological weapons designers - offensive capabilities are always rationalized as defensive capabilities:

But, while offensive weather-modification efforts would certainly be undertaken by US forces with great caution and trepidation, it is clear that we cannot afford to allow an adversary to obtain an exclusive weather-modification capability.
Conclusions - Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025 - Final Report http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/

From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural weather patterns to complete dominance of global communications and counterspace control, weather-modification offers the war fighter a wide-range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary."
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm

Also check out the participant list!
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/projpart.htm

And the "Key Players"
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/players.htm


Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-4.htm#v3c15--4

"A number of methods have been explored or proposed to modify the ionosphere, including injection of chemical vapors and heating or charging via electromagnetic radiation or particle beams (such as ions, neutral particles, x-rays, MeV particles, and energetic electrons).45 It is important to note that many techniques to modify the upper atmosphere have been successfully demonstrated experimentally."



SAID IN APRIL 1997 BY THE U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, WILLIAM COHEN: "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." --- Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.




Most All Quake Govts Knew - But Didn't Issue Warnings

By Sudhir Chadda, Special Correspondent
India Daily News
1-3-2004

Now it is slowly coming out that almost all the Governments affected by the Tsunami knew about the earthquake and possible Tsunami hours before their countries were hit by the killer tidal waves.

The only local Government that did not have a chance to react or evacuate was in Sumatra and Andaman Nicobar islands.

Based on the analysis of the time sequence in which these Governments received information and failed or decided not to act is alarming. In Sri Lanka, India, Maldives and Thailand rumors in the main street are rampant that their respective Governments were told not to act by someone or some entity.

Indian Military, for example, clearly got the information two hours before the Tsunami hit the India's mainland. An Indian Air Force base was wiped out in Andaman Nicobar island near Sumatra close to the epicenter if the earthquake two hours before the Tsunami hit the mainland India. When Indian Military tried to inform the Government, the Government did nothing as if they did not hear.

Same story is being repeated in Thailand, Sri Lanka and Maldives. How can all the countries decide to let Tsunami come and not evacuate a single human being?

Some are concluding that the Governments knew of some experiments by some country, agency or entities. They were clearly told not to react because it was in a controlled environment. Or, they may have just asked to keep quiet.

Recent alien contacts have been reported with the South Asian Governments especially India. UFO sightings have been rampant over the region affected. Some in Nicobar Island say that it was an experiment conducted by the alien extra-terrestrial entities to correct the wobbly rotation of the earth. And some of the Indian scientists are actually seeing that wobbly rotation of the earth has been corrected since the massive underwater earthquake and Tsunami. [I see nothing to attribute this to anyone in particular, so I am going to skip this interesting bit if "information" until I learn more.]

In Indian capital of New Delhi, faxes were being sent to wrong fax numbers so that nothing much is done even though the Government clearly knew about the coming Tsunami. People have started asking the question - was this utter failure or global conspiracy to accommodate some entity or interest or was this for the good of the earth? [really whacky thought process there: they write up an assumption of "good," when it looks closer to pure evil?]

If this was an utter failure, how do you justify that all six Governments failed separately in their own domain one by one.

According to some extraterrestrial UFO observers, the UFO sightings before the earthquake and Tsunami were very unusual in that part of the world. They claim the world's Governments were told not to act for some reason.

The most amazing thing is that United States Geological Survey and Ocean Monitoring agencies came to know about the Tsunhe Tsunami and earthquake but decided not to do anything. Well it seems the whole world decided to fail to do anything together at the same time. Are we missing something?

Can it be that all the Government Agencies knew what was happening but were told not to do anything? Who told them? Or is this just a tragic coincidence?

In Thailand, some in the Government said they decided not to act because it would just scare people. Really? Are we not supposed to get scared of scary things?

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-03d-05.asp


related:

Was the Christmas/Boxing Day 2004 Earthquake-Tsunami Event Caused by Seismic Warfare?
author: EcoNews Service e-mail:e-mail: info@peaceinspace.com
Was the Christmas/Boxing Day 2004 Earthquake-Tsunami Event Seismic (Tectonic) Warfare?
There at least eight (8) "frames" of preliminary alternative analysis or perception regarding cause-effect cycle of the Earthquake-Tsunami Event of Christmas/Boxing Day 2004. Seismic (Environmental) Warfare: One "frame" of analysis or perception places the event in the context of Environmental Warfare, as tectonic (seismic) warfare.
Was the Christmas/Boxing Day 2004 Earthquake-Tsunami Event Caused by Seismic (Tectonic) Warfare?

READ FULL ARTICLE AT:
http://www.ecologynews.com/ecologynews103.html

An Act of God or Government?
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/306936.shtml

One more thing and then I'll continue if and when there is a response to what is up here so far.

Check this report out in detail - it should show you where our rulers minds are at regarding massive death counts .... it's not only possible, it's POLICY:


http://www.lifesite.net/waronfamily/nssm200/


NSSM 2000: blueprint for de-population
by Jean Guilfoyle
The population-control ideology and the means to achieve it can be found in a U.S. executive-level government document entitled National security study memorandum 200: Implications of worldwide population growth for U.S. security and overseas interests (NSSM 200), published in 1974 and declassified in 1989. Although this plan of action was to be activated in developing countries, it was designed as a two-edged sword that could be swung with equal determination in both developed and developing countries alike. The document was signed by Henry Kissinger and directed to the secretaries of defense, agriculture and central intelligence, the deputy secretary of state, and the administrator of the Agency for International Development, with a copy to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The focus of the study was the "international political and economic implications of population growth."

The study identified 13 "key countries" in which "special U.S. political and strategic interests" existed. The targeted nations were: India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico, Indonesia, Brazil, the Philippines, Thailand, Egypt, Turkey, Ethiopia and Colombia.

Security interests

U.S. security interests were seen as threatened by demographic and political realities in lesser-developed countries (LDCs), and the age structure of high-fertility nations with large numbers of young people. Young people were considered a potential threat to multi-national corporations. Revolutionary actions and counter-revolutionary coups in countries with large populations were viewed as posing the danger of expropriation of foreign investments, and creating political or national security problems for the U.S. Also mentioned were racial, ethnic, cultural, and religious factors, where "differential rates of population growth (exists) among these groups."


A major U.S. security interest concerned access to "reserves of higher-grade ores of most minerals," and the terms for exploration and exploitation of those resources. The study advised that civil disturbances affecting the "smooth flow of needed materials" would be less likely to occur "under conditions of slow or zero population growth."

The expression of resistance to global population strategies at the World Population Conference in Bucharest, in August, 1974, created a need to "persuade" LDC leaders to assist in population reduction within the targeted countries. Those objections came from countries wanting to ensure that any "new international economic order" would respect national sovereignty.

.....

Again, a cautionary warning accompanied the recommendation: "In these sensitive relationships, however, it is important in style as well as substance to avoid the appearance of coercion" (106-107). It was also recommended that other organizations, agencies, multilateral institutions and embassies participate in the establishment of population initiatives where resistance was prevalent. The use of satellite communications for propaganda was also recommended: "Beyond seeking to reach and influence national leaders, improved worldwide support for population-related efforts should be sought through increased emphasis on mass media and other population education and motivation programs by the UN, USIA (U.S. Information Agency) and USAID (U.S. Agency for International Development). We should give higher priorities in our information programs worldwide for this area and consider expansion of collaborative arrangements with multilateral institutions in population education programs" (117).

The role of the Department of State and USAID in the formation of "the United Nations Fund for Population Activities (UNFPA) to generate a multilateral effort in population as complement to the bilateral actions of AID and other donor countries" was described (121). Acting through the UNFPA gave the additional benefit of avoiding "the danger that some LDC leaders will see developed-country pressures for family planning as a form of economic or racial imperialism; this could well create a serious backlash."

Imperialist motivation

"The U.S. can help to minimize charges of an imperialist motivation behind its support of population activities by repeatedly asserting that such support derives from a concern with: (a) the right of the individual to determine freely and responsibly their number and spacing of children ... and (b) the fundamental social and economic development of poor countries" (114-5).

Finally, an "alternative" view was presented, which maintained that "mandatory programs may be needed and that we should be considering these possibilities now." Here, it was asked whether food would be considered "an instrument of national power" (118-120).

NSSM 200 was a statement composed after the fact. During the late 1960s and early 1970s, the U.S. had worked diligently behind the scenes to advance the population-control agenda at the United Nations, contributing the initial funding of $1 million.

A Department of State telegram, dated July 1969, reported the support of John D. Rockefeller III, among others, for the appointment of Rafael Salas of the Philippines as senior officer to co-ordinate and administer the UN population program.

http://www.theinterim.com/july98/20nssm.html



Now look at the following information:

Sterilize the drug fiends!

In 1935, Dr. Alexis Carrel of the Rockefeller Institute in New York produced his book "Man the Unknown." In it, he wrote that

"enormous sums are now required to maintain prisons and insane asylums. . . . Why do we preserve these useless and harmful beings? This fact must be squarely faced. Why should society not dispose of the criminals and the insane in a more economical manner? . . . The community must be protected against troublesome and dangerous elements. . . . Perhaps prisons should be abolished. . . . The conditioning of the petty criminal with the whip, or some more scientific procedure, followed by a short stay in hospital, would probably suffice to insure order. [Criminals including those] who have . . . misled the public on important matters, should be humanely and economically disposed of in small euthanasic institutions supplied with proper gases. A similar treatment could be advantageously applied to the insane, guilty of criminal acts." (193)

Rockefeller's racist writers were a hit. By the early 1930's, thirty states had passed compulsory sterilization laws that gave panels of "experts" the power to sterilize individuals who fell into such undesirable social categories as "sexual perverts," "epileptics," "drunkards" and "drug fiends." (194) Hitler accredited eugenics in America as the most important factor influencing his policies on racial and hereditary science. (195)

From eugenics to population control

The Rockefeller Foundation continued to support eugenics programs well into WW2. (196) By 1940, most of the wealthy patrons of began to pull their money from "eugenics" - the Nazi's having forever associated that term with white supremacy and genocide. (197)

In 1952 it began again - this time they would call it "population control" Sounds nicer than "eugenics" - like young people handing out free condoms or something nice like that. JD Rockefeller the Third (JDR3 to his friends) hired an expert in eugenics - Frederick Osborn - to head the Population Council. (198) Despite its new name, "population control" was and is still all about eugenics, white supremacy and genocide.

On Dec. 10, 1974, the U.S. National Security Council under Henry Kissinger (Nelson Rockefeller's right-hand man and long-time CFR member) completed a classified 200-page study, "National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests." The study falsely claimed that population growth in the so-called "lesser developed countries" was a grave threat to U.S. national security. Adopted as official policy in November 1975 by President Gerald Ford, NSSM 200 outlined a covert plan to reduce population growth in those countries through birth control, and also, implicitly, war and famine. Kissinger's study stated:

"Would food be considered an instrument of national power? ... Is the U.S. prepared to accept food rationing to help people who can't/won't control their population growth? ... It is questionable, whether aid donor countries will be prepared to provide the sort of massive food aid called for by the import projections on a long-term continuing basis." (199)

If the first world wouldn't rob the third word blind with export agriculture if the third world had its own manufacturing base and "fair trade" instead of "free" trade, they wouldn't need "aid" anymore - that's the fact most left out of discussions on "aid."

Half of you people must die

Rockefeller's Council on Foreign Relations recently published an article stating that the US population should be reduced to "about it's size in the 1940's" (200) - in other words, cut it back by at least half. It goes without saying that similar (if not more drastic) "cuts" are called for in the rest of the world. Most of their attention is with the "less developed" countries. (201)

As ecologist Murry Buckchin (202) so eloquently put it;

"All too often, alas, the overpopulation message is also focused on Third World countries. (This, although the number of people who occupy a square mile in the Third World is actually immensely smaller than the numbers for Europe and the United States)."

The facts are that population growth decreases as social services increase. (203) That makes sense. Poor people have lots of kids so that a few survive to look after them in their old age. If the "population control freaks" were really serious about reducing the population growth rate the decent way (instead of the quick, racist and profitable way), they would see to it that the whole world had the same social safety net that exists in near-zero population growth countries like Italy or Japan.

Further, if we all change how we consume - away from unsustainable like fossil fuels and harsh chemicals, and towards wind/wave/sun/bio fuels and sustainable technologies, we could quite easily support double today's population. In other words, it's not "how many" of us their are, but "how smart" we all are with our limited resources.

During the aptly named Rockefeller Hearings before the U.S. congress in 1994, government officials admitted;

."..to more than 50 years of bio-warfare experiments carried out on hundreds of thousands of American citizens." (204)

Let's end this bio-genocidal experiment before some moron does something quick, racist and profitable.






(193) "Man the Unknown," Alexis Carrel, New York: Halcyon House, published by arrangement with Harper & Brothers, 1935, pp. 318-19. See also "Racial Hygene" p.180, and - www.whonamedit.com/doctor.cfm/445.html

(194) "The Circut Riders" p. 122

(195) www.profaneexistence.com/PE38/Eugenics38.html - see also www.upc-online.org/020311review_eternal_treblinka.html

(196) www.africa2000.com/ENDX/aeback.htm

(197) "The Circut Riders," p. 170

(198) "The Rockefellers" pp. 283-289

(199) www.larouchepub.com/other/1995/2249_kissinger_food.html - see also "Death in the Air" p. 8-9

(200) Negative Population Control, Inc. "Foreign Affairs Magazine, 1996, Volume 75; No. 2 see also "Death in the Air" p. 76, 90 and "Emerging Viruses" p. 496 - "Rule by Secrecy" pp. 32-34

(201) "Emerging Viruses" pp. 156-158

(202) dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bookchin/communitycontrol.html

(203) www.hhs.se/personal/suzuki/a-English/po07.html - www.hhs.se/personal/suzuki/o-English/po07.html - www.bized.ac.uk/virtual/dc/resource/data/popgr.htm

(204) www.healingcelebrations.com/smallpoxandanthrax.htm - See also "Death in the Air" pp. 154-155


http://www.cannabisculture.com/news/gwbayer



Now you tell me - is it about fuck-ups and saving lives, or is it about "depopulation" and grabbing oil? The Council on Foreign Relations is run out of the Pratt house - as in the Pratt family of Standard Oil - the Rockefellers first big monopoly.

Now do you start to see the bigger picture?

Or is it all just a silly "conspiracy theory"?

I've read your sources and viewed the information with the critical eye of a trained historian. I say plainly, and without any malice directed toward you, that you have nothing.

Some of your sources have no identifiable author. None of your sources subscribe to the theory you've put forth that the US used HAARP to depopulate the asian coastline and sieze the oil. Your conclusions have been unsupported (i.e. the US gov't looked at world population from a strategic standpoint in the 60's, so therefore you reason that this great human disaster was caused by the US), the evidence of your claims is severely lacking (the centerpiece requires the use of HAARP which may or may not have the capabilities you ascribe to it. No evidence has been offered that the ionosphere was heated previous to the quake), and your sources have ranged from credible to not credible to completely unknown.

No one with a discerning eye for fact would lend any creedence to what you've offered here.

However, you have been good enough to post multiple links to where your theory originated. People don't need me to tell them how flawed this theory is, they can simply read your sources for themselves.

I am satisfied that your claim is unfounded. I thank you for taking the time to show me where it came from.

-Dan M

Earthquake: Coincidence or a Corporate Oil Tragedy?
http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=10211&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported

December 28, 2004
Earthquake: Coincidence or a Corporate Oil Tragedy?
By: Andrew Limburg
Independent Media TV

Now I don’t claim to be an expert on seismic activity, but there has been a series of events which led up to the 9.0 earthquake of the coast of Indonesia which can not be ignored. This all could be an enormous coincidence, but one must look at the information and choose for themselves whether there is anything to it.

On November 28th, one month ago, Reuters reported that during a 3 day span 169 whales and dolphins beached themselves in Tasmania, an island of the southern coast of mainland Australia and in New Zealand. The cause for these beachings is not known, but Bob Brown, a senator in the Australian parliament, said "sound bombing" or seismic tests of ocean floors to test for oil and gas had been carried out near the sites of the Tasmanian beachings recently.

According to Jim Cummings of the Acoustic Ecology Institute, Seismic surveys utilizing airguns have been taking place in mineral-rich areas of the world’s oceans since 1968. Among the areas that have experienced the most intense survey activity are the North Sea, the Beaufort Sea (off Alaska’s North Slope), and the Gulf of Mexico; areas around Australia and South America are also current hot-spots of activity.

The impulses created by the release of air from arrays of up to 24 airguns create low frequency sound waves powerful enough to penetrate up to 40km below the seafloor. The “source level" of these sound waves is generally over 200dB (and often 230dB or more), roughly comparable to a sound of at least 140-170dB in air.

According to the Australian Conservation Foundation, these 200dB – 230dB shots from the airguns are fired every 10 seconds or so, from 10 meters below the surface, 24 hours a day, for 2 week periods of time, weather permitting.

These types of tests are known to affect whales and dolphins, whose acute hearing and use of sonar is very sensitive.

On December 24th there was a magnitude 8.1 earthquake more than 500 miles southeast of Tasmania near New Zealand, with a subsequent aftershock 6.1 a little later in the morning that same day.

On December 26th, the magnitude 9.0 earthquake struck at the intersection of the Australian tectonic plate and the Indian tectonic plate. This is the devastating tsunami tragedy that we have all heard about in the Indian Ocean. The death toll of this horrific event has reached 120,000 souls and continues to rise.

On December 27th, 20 whales beached themselves 110 miles west of Hobart on the southern island state of Tasmania.

What is interesting about this is that the same place where the whale beachings have been taking place over the last 30 days is the same general area where the 8.1 Australian earthquake took place, and this is the same area where they are doing these seismic tests. Then 2 days after the Australian tectonic plate shifted, the 9.0 earthquake shook the coast of Indonesia.

A great deal of interest and seismic testing has been taking place in this area, as the government of Australia has given great tax breaks to encourage the oil exploration.

Two Geologists that I spoke to felt that it was highly unlikely that these seismic tests would have had enough energy to induce the Australian quake. On the other hand there is strong evidence that suggests that oil exploration activities have induced earthquakes in the past.

Again, I don't claim to be an expert. I'm writing this story to bring attention to some interesting facts, so that those who are experts can investigate this fully.

We will be following up on this story as more information is gathered.

Photos:

Whale Beachings in Tasmania, Australia and New Zealand on November 30th, 2004

Photo: Jason South / Reuters - A woman and her son look at carcasses of long-finned pilot whales and bottle-nosed dolphins stranded on Sea Elephant Beach on Tasmania's King Island in Australia.



Location of Australian 8.1 Earthquake between Tasmania, Australia and New Zealand on December 24th - The Australian / New Zealand earthquake is the one on the bottom right hand side of the picture

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Maps/region/Australia.gif



Location of the 9.0 Indonesian Earthquake and it’s relationship to the Australian Tectonic Plate

From the governments own website, http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_slav_fig72hi-res.jpg

Additional Information:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=570&ncid=753&e=5&u=/nm/20041224/sc_nm/quake_australia_antarctica_dc
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=570&ncid=753&e=2&u=/nm/20041227/sc_nm/quake_environment_dc
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=570&ncid=753&e=1&u=/nm/20041228/sc_nm/environment_australia_whales_dc
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=516&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20041228/ap_on_re_as/quake_tidal_waves
http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=9943&fcategory_desc=Environment
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Quakes/usslav.htm
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_slav_fig72hi-res.jpg
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Quakes/ussjal.htm

Original Link: http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=10211&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported

Flower Power the whales and the dream holy shit man.

wow, anytime theres a conspiracy theory, theres heated debate; cool....

david, I agree that HAARP is entirely capable of what occured in the pacific, whether it was, actually, used will prolly never be known... But I do, personally, subscribe to many of the 'conspiracy theories' that circulate.

Evidence missing (or obscured), does not mean that there is no evidence...

Why must we blindly 'trust' the information that our governments subit to us?
Whose box is it? , that we are trained to think within all through (public & private) schools?
So much that I'd like to say but much of it only extrapolation and allegations.....(but I was right about the beginning of Jebs grooming for Pres. #44)..

Peace & Pot people, mother nature still rules