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#931405 - 11/08/04 05:31 PM Windows sucks... *****
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got Windows? Click here

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#931406 - 11/08/04 07:01 PM Re: Windows sucks...
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I have heard of Linux, but is it really easier to use?

What is compatible with it in the way of software?

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#931407 - 11/08/04 07:51 PM Re: Windows sucks...
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It can be just as easy to use, and it far less suceptible to virii. Both SuSE and Mandrake from the list I linked to are very simple to set up and run, as easy as setting up Windows. The Mandrake install can usually be completed inside of 30 minutes (including more software than you can shake a stick at), far faster than Windows, and completely ready to use (no installing of additional programs.)

The two links at the bottom of my post contain hundreds of thousands of pieces of software. If you want to do it, there's open-source software for the job. Most people are typically concerned about moving their MS Office/Corel documents. A program by the name of OpenOffice can read and write all those formats and then some. Incidentally, that program has been ported to Windows, so you can use that as an alternative to the pricey MS Office suite on Windows computers.

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#931408 - 11/09/04 08:52 AM Re: Windows sucks...
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Well DJ my man, I finally did it. After our conversation last night about Linux, and multiple cd burning/blue screen of death issues, I did it. Bill Gates now has no room at all on my hard drive. LONG LIVE LINUS TORVALD!
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#931409 - 11/09/04 04:20 PM Re: Windows sucks... [Re: FromCreation]
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Hey, im thinking about switchin over... is it worth it?
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#931410 - 11/09/04 05:04 PM Re: Windows sucks... [Re: jersey_mj]
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Don't forget Mac as well! It's a lot more universal that Linux, and (I think) easier to use, but it's still better than Windows, and you're not supporting Bill Gates. Not to mention, people make computer games for Mac.

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#931411 - 11/09/04 06:33 PM Re: Windows sucks... [Re: jersey_mj]
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Yes, yes it is.

SpaceManSpliff - Apple's OS 10 is FreeBSD with a different kernel and a nice GUI. Although their marketing department loves to say that they 'based it on UNIX', it actually is nothing more than a customized UNIX variant with a few extra bells and whistles.

Because of this, most open source programs coded for Linux can be easily installed on Mac OS X (or any other operating system that uses POSIX calls, for that matter)

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#931412 - 11/14/04 07:43 PM Re: Windows sucks... [Re: jersey_mj]
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Quote:

Hey, im thinking about switchin over... is it worth it?



Depends on what you use your computer for. If you don't play a lot of computer games on the computer i'd say there is no reason not to switch. If all you use your computer for is music/movies/email/web/Microsoft Office type stuff, then a switch to a linux distrobution is relatively painless.

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#931413 - 11/23/04 05:15 AM making the move easier
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these two free downloads are available for both OSs. Get them for Windows and use them to move to Linux.

http://download.openoffice.org/1.1.3/index.html

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/all.html




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#931414 - 11/23/04 10:07 AM Re: making the move easier [Re: spark one]
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... cool ... and when you come to realize Linux isnt close to being a equiv for windows ... what utility do you use to go back?

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#931415 - 11/25/04 01:30 AM can't get there from here.
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actually you can, but we can't tell you.

http://www.freebyte.com/programming/cross_platform/
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2004/Nov/1096385.htm
http://www.macwindows.com/emulator.html
http://www.mainsoft.com/
http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/21872
http://www.computerbits.com/archive/2001/0100/crossplatform.html
http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20041123190149120
http://wp.netscape.com/assist/helper_apps/variety.html
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/7184/guitool.html

and

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 26 2004 IS BUY NOTHING DAY

For 24 hours, millions of people around the world do not participate -- in the doomsday economy, the marketing mind-games, and the frantic consumer-binge that's become our culture. We pause. We make a small choice not to shop. We shrink our footprint and gain some calm. Together we say to Exxon, Nike, Coke and the rest: enough is enough. And we help build this movement to rethink our unsustainable course
http://www.buynothingchristmas.org/
http://www.adbusters.org/metas/eco/bnd/


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#931416 - 11/25/04 12:27 PM Re: making the move easier
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dual boot or just put linux on its own hard drive...
if linux bites the dust or if it gets too difficult just unplug linux drive and plug in windows drive...
I dual boot on my laptop and my net cruzer at home...
on another comp. at home I use seperate drives...
leave a way back/out...
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#931417 - 11/27/04 07:43 AM Re: Windows sucks...
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you are supporting bill gates if you own a mac. He has ties to Mac infact i think he owns mac.
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#931418 - 11/27/04 05:42 PM Re: Windows sucks... [Re: The_Madprofit]
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Yes, Bill Gates has ties to Apple Computer Inc., but only insofar as he knew Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak in the early days of the computer industry. He owns no stock in Apple, let alone a controlling share, nor could he, due to anti-trust laws.

If you buy an Apple, you are supporting Apple Computer. If you buy Microsoft Office for Mac for your Apple, then you're supporting Microsoft. Since MS discontinued development of Internet Explorer for Mac, relegating Apple's Safari browser to the role of primary internet browser on the Mac platform, MS hardly has anything to do with Apples coming out of the factory any more.

Moreover, Bill Gates doesn't even run Microsoft anymore, he delegates most of the authority to others, and he and his wife spend most of their time looking for humanitarian causes to donate money to directly, in order to remove the overhead involved with standard charitable organizations.

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#931419 - 01/20/05 09:42 PM Re: can't get there from here. [Re: spark one]
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And wirh VMware, you can even run windows in its own window on Linux. The opposite is also possible but nearly as stable. Linux has a relly more stable nature. If one respect a few principles, such as not running programs as root, you don't have to worry about security too much. Of course, on a home network, a minifirewall like the netgear, is a minimum whatever OS you are running.

When you choose a distribution, choose a free distribution, free as in beer. But also think in terms of Free as in freedom. I'm proud to have not a single peace of pirated or illegal software on my computer. It's free. The quality of the experience is much better than on windows. You have access to some of the most sofisticated pieces of software that drive the internet, for free. Think about it, apache runs on close to 70% of all web servers, bind runs on most of the name servers, tcp/ip is a free (as in freedom) suite of protocol. And it is more stable. I have been using Linux since 1992 and full time at work since 1995. Now on my computer at home, I don't run Windows at all. Personally, I use the gentoo distribution (www.gentoo.org) which is the best I ever had so far. If you are good with computers, this distribution is fun. You actually gain computer understanding by running it. The /proc filesystem is just an amzing source of information on your system. In case you don't know, each directory represented as a number, corresponds to a process id. In each of these directories is information about the corresponding process.

/** as root of course because some information can only be seen as root, for obvious reasons which seems to be completely disregarded on the windows platform. And this is why on Linux, switching to root is a decision you make. Usually, you don't have to switch to root very often. **/

#ls /proc
1 1261 3 6417 6601 7014 dri loadavg swaps
1008 13 359 6428 6602 7016 driver locks sys
1122 154 360 6429 6604 7025 execdomains meminfo sysvipc
1140 1644 4 6433 6607 7029 filesystems misc tty
1145 1648 4492 6434 6608 7046 fs modules uptime
1146 1649 4493 6460 6610 7047 ide mounts version
1147 1650 4494 6463 6611 7070 interrupts net vmnet
1162 1658 4495 6465 6614 9 iomem partitions
1240 2 5 6468 6645 bus ioports pci
1256 2938 6 6476 6646 cmdline irq scsi
1257 2958 6225 6487 6688 cpuinfo kcore self
1258 2971 6350 6598 6840 devices kmsg slabinfo
1259 2981 6413 6599 7002 dma ksyms stat


See all these numbers are processes running on my computer. If I go in a directory and do an ls there, you can see files of - bytes (because they are not files on disk but the entire /proc filesystem is entirely in memory, you close your computer and it disapears. you can cat each of these files to see the content, only as root for some of them, and see for instance, the file descriptors it holds or the dynamic librairies it links.

The alphabetic names are files or directory containing information about your computer, each component, each loaded driver, each anythin that is on your couputer besides running processes. for instance, If I want to know what is going on on my memory usage I do:
# cat /proc/meminfo and get this:
total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached:
Mem: 1058508800 868675584 189833216 0 74833920 657428480
Swap: 1028116480 0 1028116480
MemTotal: 1033700 kB
MemFree: 185384 kB
MemShared: 0 kB
Buffers: 73080 kB
Cached: 642020 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 233516 kB
Inactive: 568284 kB
HighTotal: 131008 kB
HighFree: 2044 kB
LowTotal: 902692 kB
LowFree: 183340 kB
SwapTotal: 1004020 kB
SwapFree: 1004020 kB


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which tells me exactly what is going on on my system.

If you want to see how you memory reacts, in an other way than on a graph, but live, you do this:You open a small window in a corner and type:

# while true; do clear; cat /proc/meminfo; sleep 2; done

which gives me the result every two seconds. You can chose 5 if you want to see the result every 5 seconds but doing this even every second is far less costly for the computer than running a Graphic chart to display an only approximative view of your system.


The /proc filesystem is a reason to switch to linux if you like to learn how computers work. You don't have to but you have the option. Rarely is it not possible to pinpoint what is going wrong. You really have all the tools AND the source code to do it. I'm not sayng everyone needs to do that. But it is really not that hard.

The proof, I'm completely stoned and I have no problem using it.

If you have any question on how to use or install it, just ask , I might have some answers and I always like to help new people switch because every one switching is someone who in a way rebel against corporate abuse. And the money goes in the pockects of a small few individuals who control too big a part of the economy for an individual. Fortunately Bill Gates is a humane guy, outside of his business life. But in business he is one running at the lowest standards of the industry.


To end this message, I will make this suggestion, get

knoppix.com


which you burn on a bootable CD that lets you get a Good idea of wht linux is, without having to install anything, you but the CD and you open firefox, enter www.cannabisculture.com and you are here. As simple as this, for most people, at least, unless your hardware is very esoteric. It can also be used as a recovery disk for any OS with the advance tools installed on it. It can also be a good hacking tool for those who cannot install any sfoware on your office computer. You can run nmap, nessus, hping, tcpdump, etherreal, snort etc. etc. which are softwares that compare to commercial software that go for thousands of dollars each with enterprise quality.

Anyways, have fun.




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#931420 - 01/21/05 08:42 PM Re: can't get there from here. [Re: doublehaze]
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there are two types of people in this world:

those who understand binary (1) and those who don't (0)
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#931421 - 01/30/05 08:31 AM Re: can't get there from here. [Re: breefairy]
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I dont understand why not use windows if your using AMD at least, SP2 adds virus protection for your board as well as your drives... I will have to stick with windows

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#931422 - 02/07/05 11:27 PM Re: can't get there from here.
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A girlfriend of mine was forced to use an Apple this last semester for college with the new OS system.
It will not be being used on my computer after working with it.
It's too bad really, they have such cool new hardware but still have a system that blows. Unless your into programming, fageddaboudit.

I have heard that some of the newer Linux versions are easy to use. But so far I am not impressed. Nothing like going over a friends and listen to him bitch about how much more stable it is then Windoze while he keeps re-booting and trying to get it to work.

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#931423 - 02/08/05 08:22 PM Re: can't get there from here.
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Why not use windows....

To have a desktop far more configurable than windows...
A far more customizable window manager.
To have 100% legal software.
To be much more protected against virii or viruses depending on your religion ).
To have, especially when you have an AMD processor, virtually all your programs optimized for AMD.

Really, once you learn how to use Linux, windows feels to you like a car with a welded hood.

The major downside of Linux is the lack of games.



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#931424 - 02/08/05 08:29 PM Re: can't get there from here. [Re: Wodan]
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If he keeps rebooting his computer it's because he has not understood how Linux works. I don't reboot very often...

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#931425 - 02/09/05 06:15 AM Re: can't get there from here. [Re: doublehaze]
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If he keeps rebooting his computer it's because he has not understood how Linux works. I don't reboot very often...



And there is the key. You need to know how it works in order to use it.
Yes I understand the basics, but a lot of people don't. You should not have to know what the proper gap is for your spark plugs in order to be able to drive a car.

Linux/Unix might someday have a chance if they can standardize and create a workable system. The gaming companys shun it because they would have to make numerous versions to work with the numerous profiles.

Windows hold the lead because of ease of operation. When I can walk up to a computer I have never seen before, and teach someone who has never used a computer before in their life, to log onto PotTv and watch Voo do the news in under 15 seconds. Linux/Unix will have a chance.
Until then it will remain a minor player used by those who have the desire to fine tune.
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#931426 - 02/09/05 02:10 PM Re: can't get there from here. [Re: Wodan]
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And linux is not there for people who want to operate their computer like a toaster. The understanding needed to avoid rebooting is quite minimal. I installed a Linux proxy server in 1995 for a big company in montreal. It was taken out in 2000 and had not been rebooted since.

Linux itself does not thrive to become universal, because there is no Big corporation behind it. Big corporations are behind distributions. Linux is not a company, it is a kernel/operating system. Frankly I don't see any competition here. When I promote Linux usage, I promote the work of people who do it for free, who do it to the best of their ability, who put their reputation behind the code they produce. I promote a very good product that you can fine tune the way you want it. I also promote a key to unlock the Big Corp prison, windows users are locked into. I also promote freedom of knowledge versus software patents which are fundamentaly wrong, just like THC patents. I promote growing your Pot instead of buying it from Bayers.... I promote using Free(as in freedom and also as in beer) software instead of patented software and costly software.

But no one is forced to listen to me as no one is forced to believe me when I say that learning to grow pot is not that hard and well worth the effort.


Linux is very good on the server side and most system administrators I know prefer Unices/Linux because it's much easier to figure out what's going wrong, or how to do something compared to a windows server. If you think linux is hard, try to understand everything that is in your registries... Or try to trace the execution of your kernel, or drivers etc. etc.

Again, if you don't know anything about computers and you want to setup ma's shop file server, you should stick with windows, unless, of course, you want to learn something about how computers work.

Windows doesn't hold the lead in all aspects of computing. It holds the lead on the workstation.




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#931427 - 03/03/05 09:59 PM Re: Windows sucks...
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If you're a command line geek, you can get a full Unix shell in MacOS.
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