In the words of my favorite first lady... just say no!

This is your math: put two and two together and you come up with four

This is your math on drugs (remember putting two and two together is unpatriotic):

from the ACLU:

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Even though whites outnumber blacks five to one and both groups use and sell drugs at similar rates, African-Americans comprise:

* 35% of those arrested for drug possesion

* 55% of those convicted for drug possession

* 74% of those imprisoned for drug possesion

http://www.aclu.org/Files/OpenFile.cfm?id=14087

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now remember, don't be unpatriotic, repeat after me:
"One Nation under God with liberty and justice for all"
and remember it's common knowledge that God looks like this:


Federal Mandatory Minimum sentence for possesion of 5 grams of crack (C17H21NO4):
5 years

Federal Mandatory Minimum sentence for possesion of 500 grams of powder cocaine (C17H21NO4):
5 years

% of U.S. legislators who took chemistry 101 in college and/or understand the law of conservation of matter:
Chemistry is for nerds, next question please

% of U.S. legislators and presidents who either did or didn't inhale and/or sniff or maybe just "can't recall":
Hey why point fingers? Partying your way through college is a god- given right, right? and you have to find some way to occupy the time that you spend not studying chemistry

Speaking of college, % of the above who voted for the federal (HEA) Higher Education Act of 1998 that bars students convicted of drug related offenses from receiving any federal financial aid:
Apparently a majority

% of white students who can afford to go to college with no financial aid:
Dont' know

% of black students who can afford to go to college with no fincancial aid:
Don't know, but could it be at all related to the % of black people who will vote for Bush?

# of ex-president's who look like angels compared to Bush, and for whatever absurd reason were dubbed the "first black president" by some, who veto-ed that ignorant shit:
0

#of scandals revolving around ex-presidents and intimate high-up connections with the cocaine trade in Arkansas:
1 (although I should look into this more to see what the evidence is since I've also seen it explained that Hillary Rodham Clinton = 666)

% of black kids who feel this Mobb Deep line- "Dont' even need a degree to earn a six-digit figga, I get mines slingin' on the corner with my niggas":
approximatey 50 times the percentage for whom that will be a succesful strategy in life

Black male unemployment rate in NYC (http://www.amsterdamnews.org/news/Article/Article.asp?NewsID=39421&sID=4):
48%

partial explanation for this astounding statistic:
look at the % of their parents who had the opportunity to go to college

% of times the word "work" in a rap song is a noun used as a synonym for crack or something similar:
hmmm... close to 48% maybe?

# of psychologists who would agree that whether or not a particular drug is used more as a social diversion or more as a way to try to escape feelings of hopelessness and to avoid confronting fucked up realities of life is a key factor in determining how addictive a particular substance will be for a particular person:
Countless

# of drug treatment clinics that tell would be patients to "come back in a few months and we might have a spot for you":
numerous

# of the above underfunded clinics located in areas where they cater to mostly white clientele such as Robert Downey Jr.:
not so numerous

# of would be patients who resort to crime to pay for their habits in the meantime:
don't know

# of prisons that tell would be inmates to "come back in a few months and we might have a spot for you":
That would be absurd! it's all about using tax-payer money to build more and more prisons and then privatizing them so Wackenhut Corporation can get rich, plus 6X8 ft divided by two people is way more space than niggers had on the slave ships so there's a long way to go towards improving efficiency. Plus, ("neo-liberal capitalism" AKA "Globalization" math side note), Privatization = efficiency... just look at the miracle transformation of Argentina's economy under the guidance of the IMF.

% of people in Argentina who may resort to growing coca as they do in other countries in South America (whose economies are also contolled more by the IMF than their elected, unelected, and/or CIA selected leaders):
hard to predict

Speaking of Argentina and drugs of a different type, # of major U.S. political parties that lead the fight by U.S. pharmacuetical companies to ban Argentina from continuing to cheaply producing AIDS medications for export to South Africa to help deal with the incredible looming AIDS crisis there:
2

# of key leaders in that particular drug-war with the last name Gore:
1

Now add that to the fact that one of the major tenets put forth by the proponents of the policies of the IMF (all major candidates of both major parties) is that so-called "Free"-Trade and "Free"-market economic strategies are the only way to help improve standards of living in developing countries (never mind the evidence of what happens time and time again when the World Bank and IMF take over a country's policies claiming to help):
Sorry, I can't do it, it doesn't add up to me

Number of these so-called "Free-Market" ideolougues who support the legalization of industrial hemp to compete in a free market with cotton for fabric and with trees for paper etc:
they're all in the Libertarian Party I'm pretty sure

Amount of pesticide it takes to grow hemp:
none usually, it grows like a "weed"

% of all pesticides used in the U.S. to grow cotton:
25%

# of years it takes to replace a hemp crop when you cut it down to make paper:
1

# of years it takes to replace an old-growth forest when you cut it down to make paper:
hundreds

Size of the spliff it would take to get high with using industrial hemp:
smaller than a tree, but not by much

Amount of money the Bush administration gave to the Taliban in March of 2001, supposedly as a reward for banning opium poppies along with buddah statues and women's education:
43 million

# of poor black kids that could be given full-ride scholarships with $43 million:
that depends, public or private schools?, in-state or out?

Nickname of the country with the worlds highest percentage of it's population in prison:
Land of the free and home of the brave

Give the alphabetical formula to help bring this nickname closer in line with reality:
f=t + b=s or alternatively if you want to make it really simple you could just forgett about the f the t the + and the two ='s and just say BS

Amount of time that will be spent during the presidential debates discussing the war on drugs: shhhhh... there's nothing to discuss

Maybe blacks get put in jail for drugs more than whites because they're simply less discreet with it. From personal experience, I can tell you that if you flaunt it, you will get caught with it.

If you're not an idiot about it, then you will very unlikely ever be caught. Only when you make it a key issue wherever you go, will you fuck up. And that holds true over all races and cultures...if you act like a moron, you'll get treated like one.

If they want to play "The Game", they can take their lumps like everyone else who plays.

Granted, a majority of these "players" are black (at least in the realm of street-level cocaine and heroin).

Just like the police, these black men are living the life they want, all full of excitement and money and pussy and guns.

Being thugs is the game these black men choose to play and their statistical comeuppance is simply par for the course.


Bottom line... anyone who is caught with weight and packaging and finds themself without substantial means will absolutely get caught up in the system. The fact that most of those incarcerated are black simply proves the majority of street-level dealers are black.

The law of averages are mathematically infallable and are not based on opinion.


Oh, and Sensi... If the War on Drugs is really a War on Nigge.., as you like to harp, why don't all the Nigge.., simply STOP SELLING DOPE so as to draw the heat away from the rest of us? Go on, take one for the team.

In the words of that moronic player nigger Bob Marley "throw me corn... me no call no fowl"

-but damn look what showed up... surprise surpise suddenly certain people are not so down for the cause... but more of the "serves you right- it is illegal afterall" perspective

"The law of averages are mathematically infallable and are not based on opinion"

Go back to the very first set of numbers expain the math there one more time for me (I'm kinda moronic too, half moronic if you must know)

Cops have no opinion about who they think they should search, and whether they should make an arrest or just snatch the product

juries and judges have no opinions on who they think they should convict and who they should acquit (because the facts always win in court with our wonderful justice system)

...no opinions on who they should send to jail and who they should send to rehab. OK then got it.

On average it takes 100 grams of coke to make 1 gram of crack then huh? I think I'm catching on here.

Got some more math for you to explain to me with the infallible law of averages. Why is it only black people who seem to get the death penalty (reserved for the most heinous crimes so they say) when people like Jeffry Dahmer don't? "Because they commit way more violent crime on average being dumb animals who like to run around and kill eachother, which is why it's best to keep them confined to the ghettos so they won't have too much opportunity to run around and kill the good discretely-drug-using white people of the suburbs of course"... but wait...

Why is a black person convicted of murdering a white person something like 42 times more likely to get the death penalty than a white person convicted of murdering a black person?

Why is a white person convicted of murdering a white person way more likely to get the death penalty than a white person convicted of murdering a black person?

why is a black person convicted of murdering a white person way more likely to get the death penalty than a black person convicted of murdering a black person?

why is a black person convicted of murdering a white person way more likely to get the death penalty than a white person convicted of murdering a white person?

why is a black person convicted of murdering a black person way more likely to get the death penalty than a white person convicted of murdering a black person?

What's the store where the commercial goes "you've got questions, we've got answers"? Maybe I'll call them up

With your theories on population I know your all in favor of the death penalty, but I just don't quite understand how the infallible law of the averages is working there.

yeah ex, white people are more oh so discreet, and I take it you've been to Reggae On The River in Humbolt County (don't be fooled, yes reggae was invented by black people, but so was rock, and like I said... Humbolt county) and been asked if you want mushroom chocolates no less than 100 times, seen countless people walking around with ginourmous buds held up by their thick stems prominently displaying their wares, or seen the dude popping nugs out of a huge ass cookie jar to weigh them out. Yeah and what do you think (on average) would be the police reaction if such a beautiful event was organized and attended by a bunch of black people? You don't think it might occur to them to have a shitload of undercover agents buy tickets, or better yet approach the whole festival military raid style?

Why did my white neighbor get caught with 3 different pipes, a brownie, a bag in the front seat plus another O in the trunk, and numerous film cannisters scattered throughout the car, but like I said neighbor, not cellmate.

yeah Freida, black people in the ghetto are "living the life they choose..." that is fucking hilarious... don't we all wish we could be reborn as babies in Queensbridge with no health coverage whose fathers are in jail, and who grow up not being able to get a cab let alone a job and thus all-too-likely to follow in their father's footsteps. (But hey it's cool as long as there's "excitement" and pussy along the way). I for one am all in favor of school vouchers so white parents will have the option of sending their kids to the well funded schools in S.E. DC, or Cabrini Green...

On the one hand I feel kinda sick to my stomach but on the other hand It's good when people show their true colors (and no, I don't mean that literally)

These statistics are almost certainly taken from the inner-city (for the most part), where blacks, hispanics and asians outnumber whites with regard to live/work vs. commute/work where the white population is the logical majority.

You must be able to see why the numbers are so heavy on the side of ethnic groups serving the most dope in these areas. They do, and they get busted for it.

If you've ever worked telemarketing, the law of averages should be clearer to you. The more calls you make (more drug dealers in an area), the more sales you make (more drug dealers busted). Most, if not all urban areas have a higher number (per capita) of "ethnic" inhabitants than caucasian.

Now, all the economic scapegoats blamed for the plight of the black man and hispanics (illegals and all) is just another scheme to get sympathy from everyone else. Afterall, there are a lot of trailer parks in this country to balance the woeful ballads of the projects.

If "the man's" focus is to stand in the way of nubian success in this country, why does he keep middle and lower class white people in the same quagmire afforded those of color? Why has he not kept down ALL people of color and not just the illiterate, savage, thieving, raping, murdering, opportunistic scum that is currently sitting in these prison cells next to the few who really are non-violent drug offenders?


I don't defend the War on Drugs nor its effect on people of all colors (and many of their cultures), but neither do I defend the notion that you (assuming you're a black man) are any more a target for drugs than myself (a white man) in an equal situation.

Prohibition is everyone's problem. If you use, sell or manufacture illicit drugs in this country, you are liable to get into trouble... the difference is that a small group of these annual arrests can afford to get out of their trouble (to one degree or another) by paying lawyers. Should they be demonized because someone else can't?

Instead of blowing $50,000 on FUBU and bling to shine for the hizzies, perhaps they should have hired Jewish lawyers to keep them on the streets, earning.

Priorities man!


Show me a prisoner of any color, who has never done anything illegal except to possess/use the quarter-bag, fitty-rock or eight-ball he just got busted for and I will show you a man who is unjustly incarcerated. As for sales and manufacture, we all know the rules of the game before we start playing and personal responsibility must be taken for our individual choices.

Now to change the rules.

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yeah Freida, black people in the ghetto are "living the life they choose..." that is fucking hilarious... don't we all wish we could be reborn as babies in Queensbridge with no health coverage whose fathers are in jail, and who grow up not being able to get a cab let alone a job and thus all-too-likely to follow in their father's footsteps. (But hey it's cool as long as there's "excitement" and pussy along the way). I for one am all in favor of school vouchers so white parents will have the option of sending their kids to the well funded schools in S.E. DC, or Cabrini Green...

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Oh woe is you. These people make their own choices. They could choose to run away to the country or run to their church or their library or their Boy's Club and they can be called a bitch or prag or sell-out Uncle Tom and be damned proud of it because they know they won't be constantly targeted like the fuck-ups they left behind.

If people insist on living in contrast to society (in as many ways as those you seem to be defending), then society will deal with them.

I smoke pot and grow it and give it away and that's all. Everything else in my life is "respectable" to "the man" and unless I get complacent, I get to live my life as I choose. Nice and clean with a hint of green.

Quoting ACLU stats ?


now impress me an tell me your a member?






Levy

sensimental:

Despite the comments from others, I think well informed people know that there is a HUGE disparity between the "justice" handed out to blacks as opposed to whites. The first set of figures you quote show this conclusively.

There is good reason for the invention of the joke crime called "driving while black". One poster seems to imply that a reason for this number might be that blacks are more "brazen" (translation: stupid) in their breaking of the law, but this does not explain why whites sentenced for any particular offense tend to receive shorter sentences than non-whites, which is true across the board.

People who think cops and judges in america are just as likely to arrest and jail a white person as a black person have either not looked at, do not understand, or simply choose not to believe the relevant statistics. Try cruising a nice neighborhood with 4 young black men in the car and see how far you get. Can anyone seriously suggest that a black teen caught with a bag of weed downtown is just as likely to be sent home with a warning as a snow white teen in the suburbs? Give me a break.

This DOES NOT mean that whites do not serve long and harsh sentences, they certainly do. In a country with 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prisoners, EVERY group does. It's just that blacks (in particular poor blacks) have the dubious honor of being singled out for extra-special treatment.

"..simply proves the majority of street-level dealers are black."

"The law of averages are mathematically infallable.."

Yes they are, and if these averages just reflected the fact that most street dealers are black, they would read 35-35-35 and not 35-55-74. Read them again more closely.

Heh, "thugs"..."playing the game"...get their "comeuppance". Well, I agree with that, if you do the crime you do the time, but shouldn't it be the SAME amount of time whether you are black OR white?

I'm sorry Frieda, you are misinformed about who is running drugs in the US. The drugs sold in the inner cities is not produced there. It's no secret that the US government(CIA) is the largest trafficker of drugs in the world. The drug war has the side effect of criminalizing drug users to disenfranchise them from the political process. If you are black, you're not treated equaly and anyone that doesn't know these facts is part of the problem, in my opinion.

Sensi, no one's saying blacks aren't more apt to get in trouble than whites. That's might be SOMEWHAT true. That's not the point...blacks may be targeted for their race SOMEWHAT, yes...but tons of them flaunt, praise, and smear their lifestyle choices in the faces of everyone around them...if you do that, what do you expect to happen? I know that no matter what color I was, I wouldn't take a bag of nugz around with me at all times and flaunt it, smoke it wherever, whenever, etc. It's just stupid, and that's what a lot of blacks do.

Again, that's not to say whites, latinos, asians, who the fuck ever, don't act like dolts either...but to say that the only reason blacks are targeted is because of the color of their skin is disingenuous at best...and you know it.

and btw, posting ACLU texts to back up a racial argument is like posting DEA articles on why the drug war is a good thing. It may or may not be true...but it's certainly biased and throws the whole thing into doubt.