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#792889 - 04/14/04 04:58 PM
Re: Yellowstone and volcanoes - not quite pot rela
  
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#792892 - 04/15/04 02:08 AM
Re: Yellowstone and volcanoes - not quite pot rela
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Zoinky, you'll just have to read about Spain during the Civil War (I recommend "Homage to Catalonia" by George Orwell) to see that not all states are filled with corruption and/or seperate from the public. Being a "libertarian socialist" and an "anarchist", I can say that mine is the only political philosophy that has been both tested and has never fallen to corruption.
During civil wars plenty of idealist freaks like you lead losers to their deaths. I won't be one of them. I'll show up afterwards to carpet bag. You can't keep a war going forever, hero.
By the way, Orwell admits in Chapter 5 of Homage to Catalonia that Spain's anarchism at that time, (which, much to Orwell's dismay, evaporated entirely by Chapter 11 when the war ended) was just another dose of heady christian idealism. Due to all the need to clamp down on all the heady idealism, Spain ended up with the longest running fascist government in the West, lasting up until 1975. Then again, maybe the Spanish were going to get around to tossing fascism out, manyana...
Do you have the guts to read this?
A CRITIQUE OF ANARCHIST COMMUNISM by Ken Knudson
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#792893 - 04/15/04 04:12 AM
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Ganja God
 
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"During civil wars plenty of idealist freaks like you lead losers to their deaths. I won't be one of them. I'll show up afterwards to carpet bag. You can't keep a war going forever, hero."
We all die - some of us die with our spines intact and our lives full of meaning and shaped by truth, and some of us will die tolerating all sorts of injustice thinking that material things will fill that empty hole at the moment of death. I choose to live before I die, not simply exist.
As well, anarchism was part of the pro-democracy movements of the late sixties and is even more a part of today's social movements .... are you sure you picked the winning side?
"By the way, Orwell admits in Chapter 5 of Homage to Catalonia that Spain's anarchism at that time, (which, much to Orwell's dismay, evaporated entirely by Chapter 11 when the war ended) was just another dose of heady christian idealism."
Quote him. I don't believe you've read the book - just a review of it.
"Due to all the need to clamp down on all the heady idealism, Spain ended up with the longest running fascist government in the West, lasting up until 1975."
I would blame it more on the cooperation between Fascist Italy and Germany, "neutral" Britian and America and the tratorous Soviet Union - all of which had a greater effect on the anarchist defeat than any of the idealism you blame.
"Then again, maybe the Spanish were going to get around to tossing fascism out, manyana... "
Now I KNOW you haven't read "Homage". You should really do some reading some time, it might broaden your horizons. It was a real battle, and for a year or two nobody knew what was going to happen.
"Do you have the guts to read this? "
Yes, but my computer won't open it - why don't you just cut and paste the good parts? And - to make this conversation more interesting - read a book or two on Spain during the civil war before you try and accurately relate to me what went on there. Half the country just gave up having bosses - most people would find that to be worth exploring futher (just bosses get nervous about it - you're not one of those, are you?).
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"making the earth a common treasury for all, both rich and poor." Gerrard Winstanley; April 20, 1649
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#792894 - 04/15/04 11:05 PM
Re: Yellowstone and volcanoes - not quite pot rela
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Quote him. I don't believe you've read the book - just a review of it.
I read a couple chapters, but it's a plodding bore. Half of the text is the acronyms of fringe political parties and their various bickerings. If I wanted to read a book full of mostly alphabetic symbols I'd stick with algebra. Only a loser or a political science major would read that crap and you're not matriculated anywhere, are you?
Who cares about your adolescent Orwell fetish anyway? Was Orwell dropping acid, smoking a lot of dope, getting ripped and figuring out what needs to be figured out? No, he wasn't, he was reacting to oppressive push and pull in every direction in the middle of a dreary, violent war. What's so fucking cool about revolutions? Nothing at all, you gung-ho armyman loser. Go stuff Soldier of Fortune magazine and Che Gueverea t-shirt up your ass and imagine it's 1986, and the cold-war duality all still makes sense, and Tears for Fears is playing on your favorite AM station ... can you feel it??? The implication... is: we want a mass movement. Mass movements make no sense to me, and I want no part of mass movements. I think this is the error that the leftist activists are making. I see them as young men with menopausal minds. They are repeating the same dreary quarrels and conflicts for power of the thirties and forties, of the trade union movement, of Trotskyism and so forth. I think they should be sanctified, drop out, find their own center, turn on, and above all avoid mass movements, mass leadership, mass followers. I see that there is a great difference--I say completely incompatible difference--between the leftist activist movement and the psychedelic religious movement. In the first place, the psychedelic movement, I think, is much more numerous. But it doesn't express itself as noisily. I think there are different goals. I think that the activists want power. They talk about student power. This shocks me, and alienates my spiritual sensitivities. Of course, there is a great deal of difference in method. The psychedelic movement, the spiritual seeker movement, or whatever you want to call it, expresses itself...as the Haight-Ashbury group had done...with flowers and chants and pictures and beads and acts of beauty and harmony...sweeping the streets. That sort of thing. - Timothy Leary at the "Houseboat Summit", Feb 1967 Sausalito, Calif
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#792895 - 04/16/04 04:06 PM
Re: Yellowstone and volcanoes - not quite pot rela
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David,
As a former employee of Yellowstone I can attest to this. The 4 years I worked there the average temps of certain geyser basins have dramatically increased. Hell, I even got to see Steamboat Geyser go off in 2000...it had laid dormant for years beforehand...Old Faithfull geyser hasnt got anything on that one.
Now about this time last year a friend still working in the park told me of a huge gassy-type bubble forming somewhere under Yellowstone Lake on the lake bed. Rumours circulated as to its size...hard to tell really but lets just say if she popped some serious flooding would have occured. The lake has an average year-round temp of around 44 degrees or so...just this activity raised it a few notches on the thermometer....THIS IS SERIOUS....cause that lake is gargantuan.
One more thing...hopefully I can sum it up into laymans terms here.. That caldera starts at the tip of Mount Washburn and runs all the way down into Grant Village...encompassing even the grand Hayden Valley, some serious mileage there even as the crow flies. Within that area there is nothing but lava underneath...so here we are with a lava chamber around 60-65 miles in length...and 30-35 miles in width...no idea on the thickness but I heard its deep. I dont care where you live in the world, when that bitch goes it will eventually get you, if not in the form of lava or the general explosion its-self a "nuclear" winter will dominate earth as we know it. Buhbye peeps.
I now live about 30 miles north of Yellowstone, and even I expect to be vaporised when she decides its time to go.
Serious stuff indeed folks...its gonna happen, just a matter of when.
ps--geologists theorize that around every 100,000 years give or take a century or two that Yellowstone has erupted...its been at least that since the last explosion. ...we are due.
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#792896 - 04/16/04 04:21 PM
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100,000 years? Try 600,000 years. Didn't they tell you this when you worked there? Or were you employed by the reptillians working underground?
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#792897 - 04/16/04 06:00 PM
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Oh yeah it was 600K, sorry bout that
thanks for caring, professor.
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