What is PBP solution? Those are the saddest looking roots I have ever seen! The plant is alive? Not sure if that can be cured, I hate to say it, but I would take clones off the plants and start over. If the plant id healthy on top, you might save it with H2O2, Flora Shield, Sensizyme and/or Hydrozyme..

Also you said "organic", I don't know anything about Organic..

They are now in tapwater and h2o2, went and purchased GH and will use that from now on.

Pure Blend Pro is supposed to be organic, some would argue otherwise.

I'll let them soak for a day and do a last clean of the roots before switching to the GH. The whole PBP experience hasn't worked for me, but enough people have used it that I know it does work overall.

All that said, I'm glad I'm back to chemicals...nice and simple.

DB

So ya deleted your question from UdG when I told that usin' Evergreen Human Food Supplement, would fuck your grow up. I told you to use PBPs Nutrient Program and supplement with Liquid Karma and Hydrozyme and ya scoffed at me. Another experienced PBP user backed up my advice and then ya deleted all you posts. What happened to the line about how you where just experimentin' with different nutrient sources and seein' it through to the end no matter what and that was just how you where????????

Now you want the people to believe your pH was normal with a weak nutrient solution and your roots look like that,,,,,,,,,, Gimmie a break,,,,,,,, you admitted your pH was very high because of the high alkalinity of the Evergreen. Then ya mentioned usin' PBP Compost and liquid seaweed,,,,,,,,,,

And ya wonder why your roots look like crap and ya don't think the high alkalinity to the Evergreen and the vegetative material it contained had anything to do with it? And ya didn't even use Hydrozyme or Hydroguard to remove algae and dead plant matter and ya wonder why????????????? Right now they are covered with brown algae, yea it washes off, and of course it comes right back, your bucket(res), net pot, medium and roots are covered in algae spores.

This is what healthy roots look like on a proper PBP nutrient regime.



Compared to yours,,,,,,



At least tell the good people here the whole story, before ya begin to look for sympathy. You titled your thread at UdG "Second Opinion". How many opinions do you want?????????? If this is request #3, I would be really curious to know what advice was give the first time ya asked. Or did they tell ya the same as I did. I'll say it again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,EVERGREEN, IT'S A FOOD SUPPLEMENT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION,,,,,,,, NOT A PLANT FOOD.

If ya still want to save your plants, first cut off the dead slimey roots at the bottom of the net pots and get also get some Hydrozyme or Hydroguard (to get rid of the rest of the dead plant matter in the net pots and Hydrotron), skip the H2O2 (It's only burnin' what little roots ya got left) continue with the straight water until new white roots appear and then begin your GH nutes at 25% and increase from there.

But then hey, ya don't have to take my advice, ya thought I was full of BS at UdG and you knew all da answers, ya didn't like the advice I gave ya back here a few years back, you called it flamin' ya,,,,,,,, but hey I guess I don't really know what I'm talkin' about do I, but then again almost 45,000 views of my DWC Intro Thread, what can I say,,,,,,,,,

I'll say it again,,,,,,,,,,,,,, EVERGREEN,IT'S A FOOD SUPPLEMENT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION,,,,,,,, NOT A PLANT FOOD.

Now if ya consider this a flamin', trust me, it's not, it's callin' a spade a spade and callin' a Bullshitter exactly that,,, a Bull Shitter. I back up what I say with experience and facts.

aNs

Bottom line:

It's not the $250.00 genetics,,,,,
It's not the $1,000.00 hydro set-up,,,,,
It's not the super hyped nutrients or additives,,,,,
It's not the super output 1000 watt HPS enhanced bulbs,,,,,

It's the growers accumulated knowledge and experience. It's there ability to listen to and read their plants and respond accordingly to what they are telling you. It's the ability to make a decision from that knowledge and respond to the plants needs, is what consistently produce large high quality harvests and using the above tools to help you achieve it:

Thanks aNs, appreciate a shot of your roots. Yes, you have the experience.

Those roots haven't seen anything but PBP in 5 days and have only sat in a mild PBP solution like I originally said in this post. Fully flushed out using my portable showerhead, roots were washed 100% clean. Pots 100% cleaned. Tubs 100% new. Even the air stones are new for this plant. Could it have been residual? If it ain't it is a bad batch of PBP, but regardless I have switched back to GH so the point is moot.

Thanks.

Mark in the Gats.

And for the record people, aNs was correct and I was wrong.

I tried something different and it blew in my face. I'll give myself an E for effort, F for results.

I brewed a tea out of vegegreens, a human nutritional supplement that on the whole looked to have what plants would use and like. I added it to the PBP nut solution and it bred algae and high PH and just plain sucked a$$.

I told aNs I'd make it work and he'd eat his words (he was beside himself with what I was attempting)...if my printer worked I'd print it out and eat it myself. If there was a crow outside I'd have to eat it too.

Ah well, DB always learns eventually....

Now we are makin' progress, It's takes a big man to admit he's made a mistake,,,,,,,,Save your paper and printer, that's not necessary, apology accepted. Ya know it's kinda frustratin' at times when ya try and help people. This isn't about egos or who's got a bigger dick or winnin' or losin'. It's about helpin' each other and learnin' from others mistakes. I've made my share of them and just try and pass on my experiences and hopefully help people avoid them or rectify them.Unfortunately, you can't re-invent the wheel. The egos, wannabes and BS here is why most of us experienced growers went our own way 3 years ago.

"Nuff said,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I don't know if ya got my PM at UdG, but I took the time to detail IMHO what you can do now to try and save them, be it with PBP or GH.

Good luck Mark, be patient and you will be rewarded, they won't come around over night. I think it was opie that used to say "Less is better,,,,,,".

It's time for me to go back into hibernation from here. If you or anyone else needs some help, ya'll know where to find me,,,, I'm always glad to help, if I can.

aNs

Very well said and thanks for being there.

Now this is the way adults act in the Forum, thanks fellas for showing how its done.

you mix the nutes with water and adjust PH then fill your reservoir to the proper level. you only add adjusted h2o to your reservoir and then check the and adjust the reservoir's PH. You will only be re adding nutes with a full water change.

ey everyone

i have a dwc system made with a rubbermaid container..... but id like to start scrogging, and it would be a pain in the a$$ with the bubble bucket, cuz id have to set-up a way to move-up the screen everytime id have to change the water and ph'ing... how do i set-up a rez, so i can change the water from there instead..... and id like to use about 8 to 12 2-liters bottles for this set-up instead of buckets or rubbermaid container, is that possible? here's the 2-liter link: http://www.salviasource.org/forum/hy...hydroponics/0/
is a drip modification would be easier than this: http://forum.grasscity.com/general-indoor-growing/121335-lets-build-bubble-bucket-step-step.html
he made fill and drain ports, but i dont see how he operates them without a rez
help me please

thanks