Ok, I know that LSD is a certain type of acid, (and if I'm wrong, tell me and the rest won't matter). Ok, but anyways, if you buy acid off the street, chances are, it isn't LSD. What is it then?

It Boggles the mind.

LSD is acid. unless theres people selling LSA as acid in your area, its gonna be LSD.

REAL LSD, has not been around for decades. What is being sold on the street could be any number of things........REAL LSD is very hard to make, even if you can get the chemicals and lab equipement. The true recipe is locked in a vault in the Sandoz labratories. Lots of people like to think they could do it or blah, blah.......but in truth there are very few people out there who could pull it off safely and from what they would have to go through to produce it and distribute it,......it would have to be a labor of love. This is not to say you won't trip off of what you buy, but it will not be the true LSD-25. This stuff hasn't been seen for generations........ Its to bad too cause the world could really use it right now! Here is a quote from Dr. Hoffmans LSD: My Problem Child.

"If most black market LSD preparations contained less than the stated quantity and often no LSD at all, the reason is either deliberate falsification or the great instability of this substance. LSD is very sensitive to air and light. It is oxidatively destroyed by the oxygen in the air and is transformed into an inactive substance under the influence of light. This must be taken into account during the synthesis and especially during the production of stable, storable forms of LSD. Claims that LSD may easily be prepared, or that every chemistry student in a half-decent laboratory is capable of producing it, are untrue. Procedures for synthesis of LSD have indeed been published and are accessible to everyone. With these detailed procedures in hand, chemists would be able to carry out the synthesis, provided they had pure lysergic acid at their disposal; its possession today, however, is subject to the same strict regulations as LSD. In order to isolate LSD in pure crystalline form from the reaction solution and in order to produce stable preparations, however, special equipment and not easily acquired specific experience are required, owing (as stated previously) to the great instability of this substance.

Only in completely oxygen-free ampules protected from light is LSD absolutely stable. Such ampules, containing 100 ,Lg (= 0.1 mg) LSD-tartrate (tartaric acid salt of LSD) in 1 cc of aqueous solution, were produced for biological research and medicinal use by the Sandoz firm. LSD in tablets prepared with additives that inhibit oxidation, while not absolutely stable, at least keeps for a longer time. But LSD preparations often found on the black market - LSD that has been applied in solution onto sugar cubes or blotting paper - decompose in the course of weeks or a few months.

With such a highly potent substance as LSD, the correct dosage is of paramount importance. Here the tenet of Paracelsus holds good: the dose determines whether a substance acts as a remedy or as a poison. A controlled dosage, however, is not possible with preparations from the black market, whose active strength is in no way guaranteed. One of the greatest dangers of non-medicinal LSD experiments lies, therefore, in the use of such preparations of unknown provenience."

Problem child was written quite a few years ago right? i think they've found other ways opf synthesizing it now...also, maybe Hoffman is making mass amouts still

Indeed, it was written years ago...but I know a few chemists who say that it is still very hard to do despite any recent "discoveries" of which there are a few, I guess. As far as I know the closest thing was produced by Leonard Pickard and Todd Skinner in the 70's and 80's. While I am sure there are people out there who know and do produce it, it is not as widely distributed as people want to believe. For instance I used to work for a major university, and there was a colegue of mine who used to claim knowledge as to how to synthesize it but in reality he had no idea which was evidenced when he tried and failed several times. This guy had a PhD and several masters, but alas he couldn't pull it off.......of course it is out there, but not availible to most. Peace.

As has been stated by many- what is sold today as LSD is a far cry from that of decades ago. That does not mean however that it is not indeed LSD. Take note however that there have always been panderings of other substances pushed as LSD for decades. I don’t have the details in memory, but a study awhile back in New York showed a huge majority of ‘supposed’ LSD sold contained PCP (or was only PCP). In this new day in age, there are more widely known chemicals (some which can be bought legally) that are now sold as LSD. Recently I read of possibly 5-MeO-AMT being sold as LSD. Certainly these are not on a large scale but more small scale when someone wants a quick buck without caring of the dishonesty they are proceeding with. In the 60’s and 70’s DOM/STP was sold as LSD, so was ALD-52 (aka Orange Sunshine- although some knew it was indeed not LSD) among other things. This is most certainly apparent in the case of MDMA today where any and everything is sold as such! It wasn’t that way in the ‘old days’. So in a whole, it could easily be said the honesty of what is sold has dropped considerably in recent times- and it is certainly of a greater percentage you may not get the real deal.

One thing I could add is that in desperate measures there are ways to test for LSD presence. The most common is the fluorescing under blacklight. More precisely would be testing directly for Indole/Ergot alkaloids via such test as the Van Urk reagent among others. Most however aren’t going to go to all that trouble- I’m not sure if there are even commercially available tests for LSD like there are for MDMA, there may be.

It is sad…

Back to the topic of ‘real’ LSD being available- it certainly is, although not even close to widely available. (this all tying many believe in with the departure of the Dead- they were the epicenter of LSD, in all aspects..). The only thing I could see where one could say today’s LSD is not real (in a sense) would be in context to dosage and purity. LSD in the 60’s/70’s was not uncommon to be upwards of 500 (even 1000!!) micrograms a hit. LSD of today is more commonly 50- 100mics.

As far as the source itself- that being of synthesis..that is a topic of itself. People constantly brand it as overtly ‘hard’- it certainly is not any harder than synthing some novel compound from scratch. As can be read in the above quotes from Hoffman, the difficulty is in protecting the substance from degradation- not the synthesis. (that taking into account of having proper facilities, purity of reagents, anhydrous conditions, proper lighting, etc..etc.. If all that is precise, it’s just as any other synthesis) Also as far as the details being ‘locked in a vault by Sandoz’..Hehe..that certainly is not true. There are many synthetic routes available; the Hoffman route actually being rather ‘archaic’ compared to modern routes.

LSD is sensitive to UV and oxygen, so those are certainly the overall downfalls where many could fail from having something of use to something of nothing in a short period of time. The same goes with something being sold being good one month, then weak the next. So proper storage can greatly effect what one may buy. Purity is another biggie. If someone were to synth LSD, I sure would hope they would extensively purify it (chromatographic means). I wonder how much iso-LSD has been sold. (iso-LSD being inactive..)

LSD may not be in abundance now, but it is always around. I don’t think it will ever have the chance of dying, to many people to prevent that.

Goldie_Loc

Well I wish I was around in the golden days of owsley acid and such...but I dropped my first time in 77 it was orange sunshine microdots. I've dropped quite few times since then Mostly blotter or liquid...so whats making me trip? that can fit on a blotter? LSD. Somebody's still making it. And my little brown bottle of liquid shows no signs of losing potency..2 years later.
Respectfully submitted...edak

I think what is meant when someone says there is no LSD-25 around is that there is no pure LSD-25. The product that is put out today is not as pure, apparantly acid with impurities has less of the enlightening properties traditionally associated with LSD. It could also be that small amounts of adulterants could be enhanced by the expansive properties of LSD. For instance back in 1995 I got ten hits of unknown white blotter purchased from a street dealer. I was taking LSD on a very frequent basis. This particular acid had a very speedy feeling that made me feel as though I was having a heart attack, after being calmed by a friend, I also had what can only be described as a manic episode. Manic behavior is very unusual for me, especially on acid. I was talking to strangers, yelling at cars, sometimes approaching strangers thinking they were my friends then not believing them when they said they didn't know me. I thought it was set and setting that was to blame for these feelings. However, when I took another 3-4 hit dose of the stuff a few weeks later I got the same heart attack feeling again, rather strange since I was in a good mood and a comfortable setting. I still don't know what was with that stuff. The next time I took acid was only a week later (different batch) and everything was fine, tripping like normal. I suspect some sort of methamphetamine was in the product. Now of course you need more meth than could ever fit on a few blotters to get high, but I suspect that a trace amount was enough to change the signature of the acid high.

Quite odd you people say it cannot be made. I know a guy who went into nursing (he like 40 now) and he said that in university they were sythesising acid and morophine and testing it on rats. They did both to show the effects of drugs, and to show how to dose properly with morophine.

My teacher who is 10 years younger than the other guy said they did the same thing in university.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this, when the government and everyone else says that only the top chemists know how to make it. This is not true, what they really mean is only the top chemists could figure out how to make it, but anyone who has some basic directions or a basic Idea and has finished univeristy chemistry courses could do it.

Remember how meth could only be made by the top chemists? If you ask me there are alot more people making meth than the 10 or 12 top chemists.