Medicinal cannabis can only be organic, other wise it seems as if you are putting poison into sick folks.
Can we agree on this?
Bud

Cannot agree! The resulting chemistry is the same no matter what you use (by the time the plant gets it). Organic does mean that you have less chance of burning up your plants but you can still over fertilize and have to flush out the nitrates. Organic does mean that the complexity of growing increases for now the chemistry is got to the plants through a secondary interaction. This is also not a simple subject and therefore a simple answer will probably not be definitive.

By the way I am experimenting with organics on this crop. My friends tell me growing with organics is an art and I would like to understand all aspects of growing this great plant.

I belive that you are mistaking.
phyloremeration is an act of the plant, what you feed it you or others will smoke.
To give people cannabis grown with radioactive fertilizers is the same as feeding them poison.
We are what we eat, the plants are what they eat also.
Lets keep it simple
Organic cannabis is medicine
Non-organic cannabis is not.
Bud

hi Bud, :)
even tho' i'm new at this and uninformed......
i have to comment, this is a widely held belief over here, usually voiced by the same people who will tell you- " ohh that pot going around today is dangerous, back when i was smoking it was 2% thc now it's 10% it'll send you nuts"-- yea right, not!

please explain "radioactive fertilizers" i don't know what you mean.
are you giving them uranium??? he he LOL

what i do know is that any fertilizer given to plants contains certain chemicals the plant needs to grow, N,P,K and the trace elements right??

these chemicals are processed by the plant, now as i understand what you are saying is that a plant grown in grodan and given hydro nutes is somehow less natural(and in some way dangerous/radioactive?) than a plant grown in potting mix and fed on bat guano, worm juice ....

But, aren't the two plants just taking up nutrient and converting it in the same way?? All fertilizers, including the organic ones contain chemicals the plant needs to grow, and i do not believe that a plant processes the same chemicals differently depending on which medium it is in, ( i am open to being corrected tho if i'm mistaken)

i grow organically, in a mix of potting mix, coco-cor, perlite and mulch, my boyfriend grows hydro in a mix of rockwool, vermiculite/perlite and coco-cor,he has a table, i hand water, i believe hydro is more trouble, he thinks the opposite.
he uses hydro nutes i use bat guano and worm juice, but we grow the same strains
he has much better results than me so far(this is my first garden that's just mine) but my ladies are shaping up nicely...the major difference i have noticed is that his recover faster from over fertilization because it's easier to flush a hydro system completely than hand watered organic pots.Therefore my Organic girls would at any time have more chemicals in their system than his??

you can't give a plant chem's it doesen't need, it will burn, die, whatever... but as far as i know you can't force a plant to take up enough nutrients to make a person ill without killing the plant.

hope i have'nt offended anyone(this is a pet hate of mine)
:)
EMM

paper, fiber, fuel.

hi Bud, :)
even tho' i'm new at this and uninformed......
i have to comment, this is a widely held belief over here, usually voiced by the same people who will tell you- " ohh that pot going
around today is dangerous, back when i was smoking it was 2% thc now it's 10% it'll send you nuts"-- yea right, not!

We grow a higher percent of thc these days, the boys who test these things say 6 to 7 per cent average in BC, can go as high as 12%

please explain "radioactive fertilizers" i don't know what you mean.
are you giving them uranium??? he he LOL
what i do know is that any fertilizer given to plants contains certain chemicals the plant needs to grow, N,P,K and the trace elements
right??

The Phosphate portion of chemical fertilizers comes from apalite rock ground to powder, dissolved in acid,ect.
Apalite rock contains radium, radiosotopes, radioactive lead and polonium.


these chemicals are processed by the plant, now as i understand what you are saying is that a plant grown in grodan and given
hydro nutes is somehow less natural(and in some way dangerous/radioactive?) than a plant grown in potting mix and fed on bat
guano, worm juice ....

We are what we eat, the plants are what they eat.
It isn't dangerous unless you care about your grandchildren

But, aren't the two plants just taking up nutrient and converting it in the same way?? All fertilizers, including the organic ones contain
chemicals the plant needs to grow, and i do not believe that a plant processes the same chemicals differently depending on which
medium it is in, ( i am open to being corrected tho if i'm mistaken)

A loose medium aids in absorbtion of nutrients.

i grow organically, in a mix of potting mix, coco-cor, perlite and mulch, my boyfriend grows hydro in a mix of rockwool,
vermiculite/perlite and coco-cor,he has a table, i hand water, i believe hydro is more trouble, he thinks the opposite.
he uses hydro nutes i use bat guano and worm juice, but we grow the same strains
he has much better results than me so far(this is my first garden that's just mine) but my ladies are shaping up nicely...the major
difference i have noticed is that his recover faster from over fertilization because it's easier to flush a hydro system completely than
hand watered organic pots.Therefore my Organic girls would at any time have more chemicals in their system than his??

Don't quite work like that, the plant has what it has at any given time. His have chemicals yours have worm shit.
It takes time to do it with nature, we are allowed some mistakes. At least with natural methods we can be assured of no harm to any.
Take the time, in the long run you will win.

you can't give a plant chem's it doesen't need, it will burn, die, whatever... but as far as i know you can't force a plant to take up
enough nutrients to make a person ill without killing the plant.

you can give a plant chemicals it doesn't need, this plant even pulls heavy metals up from the soil.
Phyloremediation

hope i have'nt offended anyone(this is a pet hate of mine)
:)
EMM

paper, fiber, fuel.

You haven't offended me in any way, i enjoy talking to you.
We learn as we do, i have learned to grow with my desendents in mind, i wish to leave my children more than money.
Forest to walk, and creeks to fish would be good.
Bud.

I talked to people at the medical marijuana facility in my area and they dont believe that growing it organically produces any improvement in the quality of the medicine. They have 5 years of experience. They do believe that growing it organically indoors is quite a bit more difficult and do not recommend it.
I would still say that chemically speaking the organic argument "you are what you eat" for a plant is BS and the proof is in the product.

Well five years apparently isn't enough.
Even after 30 years i still know that organic is the only way, just because it is harder, that is a reason for them not to use unharmful
nutriments not me. It is too bad that you will belive what you consider authorities. I have never been lied to by them have you.
Listen Ordorless, chemicals are killing us, and our children, be a part of the problem or part of the solution, your choice.
We now have water soluble organics, it is because of the cost that they are not used, how does money compare to health.
Organic cannabis is medicine, chemical cannabis is a placebo at best.
With current farming methods we have less than 40 years of soil productivity left, the chemicals we have used have fucked us.
Tell your grandchildren that useing organics was just too hard.
Bud

if raw organic marijuana is brought into the lab/factory and processed into another form using chemicals, is it still organic?
No

is it still medicine?
Not really. I have found that every pharmaceutical white powder "medicine" has a side effect. Maybe like "Lincoln's"quote that
all of the people all of the time. But there are side effects harmful to the body. If this is true then I personally would say it can't
be medicine if it harms. It may work. But cannabis has no residual effects. I believe "medicine" prevents illness. The chemicals
only treat the symptoms of a disease. Not the disease. Cannabis treats the disease. By stimulating the humor. Releasing the
endorphins and pain relief and by activating the thc receptors and transmitters getting the electric from the hormones to the
muscles. It would take many pharm chems to do this same thing with many effects. Most of the patients I care for take a few
pills to treat the symptoms. And a dozen more to treat the side effects of the few.

Hiya Daddy Cool,
No way, useing organics is the only way to make medicine.
When we use chemicals we kill our childrens hope for a future, surely with that known it will negate the chemicals affects, as a
medicine.
Am i making since?
Your making sense. Making sinse is good too, sinsemilla!LOL

You cannot cure natural people with unnatural means.

They are still sick.

Cannabis competition has always been the "danger" of cannabis. The herbopestofertolizers cause diseases being "treated" with
more of the Korpses chemicals. Preservatives keeping us "not living" to our 90's. Providing yuppy doctors and pharm
industries but certainly not the citizens. Organics look, taste and smell like real food. Yet without the chemicals they still cost
more? More involved. Most of the organic cannabis I've tasted was smoother. But not that much difference since most I know
of don't use chemicals except some have problems with rodents and may be using garbage to remove them. Another effect of
WoD. Fencing is too obvious with the CAMP chopperheads. Chemicals for soil is also a problem in areas. Getting soil to be
certified organic takes time. Korpse farms use 3 essential chemicals to grow whatever. Depleting the other 98? essential
minerals. The carrots grown today aren't the same as 100 years ago unless certified organic. Cali certifies.Others? But if I was
sick. And somebody gave me cannabis that wasn't organic. I'd damn sure smoke it.LOL! But thats another effect of WoD. If
the growers who are the experts here. Had the freedom to safely grow organically. Networking the different strains with the
illnesses. Sold at Farmers markets or tinctured at Apothicaries. I see no problem. Adding fillers, bonders, flavors,
preservatives, colorings, is not natural extractums. Oil, fat or alcohol. Not Korpse Khemikills.
mho
Mitaoyate,
P e a c e o r W o D
L i b e r t y o r D E A t h
N o P e a c e N o J u s t i c e
F F F F
DdC

What your good sentiment tells me!
I believe that the non-organic method is most likely as good as the organic in terms of the final product. I believe it because long time plant people have told me that. But I must respect the possibility of being wrong and make room for those who wish to have their medicine only in the organic way.

i think organic is best

B-U-T sometimes when we believe in something strongly, it becomes like a religion....and people can get very stongheaded when they believe their religion is the one true belief...and in this case, the one true belief is that medical marijuana has to be grown organically (or it isn't medicine anymore)...so much for freedom of choice

i strongly agree that organic growing is good for the people and good for the planet...farm chemicals (especially pesticides and herbicides) are dangerous...and over 50% of the farm chemicals used in the usa are applied to cotton crops!

but i don't see the great danger to me if some dude wants to grow his medicine with a little bit of radioactive fertilizer...some people actually prefer hydroponic pot and if they get a little relief from hydroponic pot then who has the right to say that that isn't medicine? there MAY be some additional risk involved in using radioactive fertilizer but a tolerant and just society would let people assume their own risks

anyway, i use a lot of organic food in my diet and i wish the whole planet would give up its chemical addiction and flip over to organic methods but the route is thru education and not dictation