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#349781 - 11/01/02 02:07 AM Dana this sentence needs some work
viperella Pooh-Bah Registered: 02/22/02 Posts: 1724	If Americans want their country to truly possess the moral superiority they claim over other nations, they must first end their entrenched War on Drugs Many Americans want to end the War on Drugs, many do not want to end it. Many Americans assert the moral superiority of America and many do no such thing. A freshman in college writing his first big essay might be forgiven for writing about all Americans in such sweeping tones as you did. But a mature magazine editor is supposed to work a little harder at getting the details right. The main victims of American drug policy are Americans by the way. I for one am a victim of American drug policy. And it doesn't feel good to have all Americans be labeled as perpetrators of this policy when myself and so many of the people aI care about are suffering quite badly as victims of this policy. Edited by viperella (11/01/02 02:32 AM) _________________________ ****** Combustion lente -- Facilite votre roulage ******
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#349782 - 11/01/02 08:31 AM Re: Dana this sentence needs some work
skellington Ganja God Registered: 09/08/99 Posts: 7406	that sentence sounds OK a strong majority of canadians and americans are proud to claim their country is ethically superior...its a basic element of patiotism...i don't think its overly broad to note the irony that most americans want their country to be the best in the world but most americans support the drug war
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#349783 - 11/01/02 02:19 PM Re: Dana this sentence needs some work
cannabian SuperstarDJ Registered: 10/08/02 Posts: 2222 Loc: Oakville Ontario	Re: "The main victims of American drug policy are Americans by the way." You are dead wrong here Viperella. The american drug policy is poisoning farmers in columbia by spraying poisin all over their land and making the drinking water toxic. The american drug war has kept Canada from decriminalizing weed for THIRTY YEARS and is now trying to derail our medical tests with NIDA weed, which only has 2% THC. I don't even want to start with the Opium crops, noriega or the UN treaties. The American drug war causes WAY more harm worldwide that the 10,000 people a week that you guys arrest down there for posession! _________________________ member#169 GOOGLE "STEPHEN HARPER LIES"
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#349784 - 11/01/02 03:02 PM Re: Dana this sentence needs some work
viperella Pooh-Bah Registered: 02/22/02 Posts: 1724	America is the most incarcerated country in the world thanks to American drug policy. Most of the rdug prisoners in the world are American. But hey. I've gone without a decent marijuana magazine to read for all my life, and I guess I'm going to keep going without a decent marijuana magazine to read for the rest of my life. because I'm not going to pay good money to be lumped in with John Ashcroft when he is tryiong to exterminate me, just because some Canadian who is safe and sound in Vancouver wants to take a macho psoture and look tough. Dana you go ahead and look and talk tough as you think you have to, but you're the one who is safe and I'm the one who is in danger. I've come to the conclusion from this that Canadians are not really nicer than Americans, you're just more polite about being being mean or thoughtless than we are. It's mean and thoughtless to refer to all Americans are perpetrators of the Drug War when you have people in this community who are victims of that war and work very hard to try to end it -- not to please Canadians but JUST TO SURVIVE OURSELVES. Edited by viperella (11/01/02 03:14 PM) _________________________ ****** Combustion lente -- Facilite votre roulage ******
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#349785 - 11/01/02 03:20 PM Re: Dana this sentence needs some work
skellington Ganja God Registered: 09/08/99 Posts: 7406	dana is not so safe in canada...long before dana wrote the sentence in question, the offices of cannabis culture were raided by the police, computers seized, and i believe mr larsen was harrassed by the cops outside the magazine office...has high times been raided in the past decade? if not then maybe its safer to be a cannabis magazine editor in the usa. i don't think that sentence implies that all americans should be lumped in with the drug czar,...i think its saying that if americans want their country to live up to its self-professed reputation as best country in the world, they have to reject the drug war....clearly, you reject the drug war (yay!) but most americans still support the drug war (boo!)...the country can't create its own drug reform; that has to be done by the people....there have been more positive voter initiatives in the usa than canada...if that keeps up, you'll be safe down there while the federal government continues to wage the drug war on the rest of the world
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#349786 - 11/01/02 03:28 PM Re: Dana this sentence needs some work
viperella Pooh-Bah Registered: 02/22/02 Posts: 1724	I don't think you people have the tiniest clue how fucking demoralizing the macho posturing anti-American spewage from you Canadians can be to activists such as myself down here in the danger lands where marijuana can get you a life sentence in prison. Go ahead and demoralize a few more American activists, that's sure to help end prohibition a lot sooner. _________________________ ****** Combustion lente -- Facilite votre roulage ******
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#349787 - 11/01/02 04:44 PM Re: Dana this sentence needs some work
skellington Ganja God Registered: 09/08/99 Posts: 7406	if thats all it takes to demoralize you then you're already in jail in your mind dana's editorial comment is not anti-american and its certainly not anti-activist...its pro-american and pro-activist...its saying: that americans must unite to end the war on drugs in order to be part of the great country that america aspires to be...the sentence is a call to action to all americans to reject the drug war and lead the world by their shining example. thats what you are personally doing and the rest of your fellow americans (or at least 51%) need to follow your lead in order to change the status quo which has become an huge unstoppable government organization/industry yes there is a lot of criticism of the united states on these boards because its difficult to criticize the global drug war without discussing the united states....you could make a similar claim about the discussion boards at an american libertarian website where they are constantly trashing the government...would you claim that the libertarians are anti-american for suggesting that americans need to vote libertarian so that the country can be great again?
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#349788 - 11/01/02 07:34 PM Re: Dana this sentence needs some work
Anonymous Unregistered	I maybe shouldn't chime in here but I agree with skellington and the rest of the Canadians. I didn't take that sentence to be total anti-american. This day and time the only TRUE AMERICANS are the ones that are ANTI-AMERICAN at least in regards to the current state of the government. And that would include myself. I am an American in the sense that Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine and George Washington and Abe Lincoln were Americans. In the sense that personal freedoms should be held above all else so long as no one else is hurt. I also think that outside criticism from a close democratic neighbor is a great thing because it can inspire people to take a closer look at what is going on on the inside of their own country. I applaude CC for having the balls to shake up it's American readers. Peace Voo
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#349789 - 11/01/02 08:47 PM Re: Dana this sentence needs some work
viperella Pooh-Bah Registered: 02/22/02 Posts: 1724	The only Americans who read CC are the ones who are against prohibition. So what the fuck good does it do to rant against Americans, when the only Americans who are going to read it are the ones who are already being abused by prohibition? But hey Voo, since it didn't bother you, I guess it's not supposed to bother me? Maybe you're having a good day, maybe you're new to this and haven't been worn down yet. I feel worn down and this is not what I need to keep going. I'm going to go back to bed and pull the covers over my head and wait for it all to be over because it is just too overwhelming to keep this up when there is not a supportive atmosphere for Americans in CC. I mean really Dana -- YOU SURE GOT THROUGH TO THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WITH THAT EDITORIAL. I hear they are quaking in their boots now. I'm sure it was well worth the cost of depressing me and making me feel like climbing back in bed and pulling the covers over my head until this is all over. _________________________ ****** Combustion lente -- Facilite votre roulage ******
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#349790 - 11/01/02 09:05 PM Re: Dana this sentence needs some work
Anonymous Unregistered	In reply to: The only Americans who read CC are the ones who are against prohibition. Well I agree that the majority of Americans who read CC are anti-prohibition....but there are some who are not. For example ...I have a close personal friend who works in law enforcement. They are allowed to subscribe to CC and HT and claim it as a tax write off. Since they are not often exposed to any opinions other than those AGAINST marijuana I think that CC does a GREAT THING by doing and saying what they do in regards to the American Government. If nothing else CC perhaps plants the proverbial seed in their head that sending us to jail is WRONG and benefits NO ONE. In reply to: But hey Voo, since it didn't bother you, I guess it's not supposed to bother me? Come now we are on the same side right? We may not always agree on everything but my response wasn't intended to make you feel as though yor views are somehow inferior to mine. I do not want to fight with you. Just have a conversation. You are not required to agree in order to participate. In reply to: Maybe you're having a good day, maybe you're new to this and haven't been worn down yet. I am indeed new to "public activism"...you are right about that...but these battles serve to energize me as opposed to wearing me down. Peace Voo
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