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#1509810 - 03/08/09 11:15 AM
Re: root tip up...root tip down?
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Loc: Southfield, Michigan
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Once the root tip gets that long you have to plant it tip down. No choice. The survival rate is low. Best option there is to plant it so the leaf is just at the soil surface, that way the root itself gets more protection from being damaged by the light.
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#1509812 - 03/08/09 11:18 AM
Re: root tip up...root tip down?
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I plant mine when they just crack. The longest I let them get is about an eighth of an inch. So far I have a nearly 100% survival rate. (tip up, of course).
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#1511714 - 03/12/09 07:12 PM
Re: root tip up...root tip down?
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Add a few drops of ethrel in some distilled water (2/3 cup). Put the seeds in until they have an eighth inch tail. Plant (tip up). When they emerge spray with Ethrel (1920 ppm) for one week. The resulting plants should be all female, and they should also bloom faster.
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#1527090 - 04/22/09 10:21 PM
Re: root tip up...root tip down?
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Apparently this thread is never ending, so I will add my opinion--knowing it won't matter anyway, all possibilities having been discussed, critiqued, dissented from and/or agreed with.
I'm an old dude and my eyesight for tiny things isn't great, so I just gave up and planted 30 seeds whichever way the tweezers grabbed em--since I wasn't certain I could tell one end from the other anyway.
After soaking them for 24 hours in water cleaned up with a reverse Osmosis filtration system (adding a very small amount of hydrogen peroxide--more about that in a minute) I planted them in some souped up little root cubes from Holland (Germinationkit.com, if you're interested) and made a little moisture-holding tent over each with a very small baggie. Since the average germination is supposed to be 3-7 days I thought I could take a couple of days off--a day and a half actually. When I looked in on my little friends 24 0f 30 had already germinated--some plants were almost 3 inches high. That's my experience, for what it's worth. These guys seemed not to care very much how you planted them.
About the hydrogen peroxide, another frequently discussed and argued-over factor: some advocate using some (with confusing discussion of amount needed) and some claim it will definitely kill your plant. I can see how this controversy might have evolved. The discussions of hydrogen peroxide in the presoak often refer to using "a 1%" or a 3% solution. I'm not a chemist, but I will say that since hydrogen peroxide comes as a 6% solution most often, if you think that this means that you should dilute the solution by half, say, to achieve a 3% solution it doesn't take a genius to see that you are definitely going to burn the shit of your plants IMMEDIATELY KILLING THEM. So this is possibly why some folks think that hydrogen peroxide can't be used. I think what was meant (and possibly misinterpreted) was a 1% to 3% dilution of what was ALREADY a 6% solution, which means a .06% solution or a .18% solution. That's a huge difference.
I spent an hour on-line reading the scientific literature on hydrogen peroxide use in germination not for our lovely specialty, but for commercial plant use, and several authors agree that an appropriate solution of water and hydrogen peroxide increases germination rates. So it does work. As to how much, being a coward, I put about 6 drops of the 6% solution in a tall water glass, and this seems to have caused no harm. In fact, as noted above (hope my luck holds), at this point they are screaming upward much faster than is usually the case. Oh, and I also scuffed the seed cases a bit before I put them in water--a little 600 grit sandpaper in a matchbox and shake for 20-30 seconds.
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#1686437 - 02/17/11 10:45 AM
Re: root tip up...root tip down?
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Apparently this thread is never ending, so I will add my opinion--knowing it won't matter anyway, all possibilities having been discussed, critiqued, dissented from and/or agreed with.
I'm an old dude and my eyesight for tiny things isn't great, so I just gave up and planted 30 seeds whichever way the tweezers grabbed em--since I wasn't certain I could tell one end from the other anyway.
After soaking them for 24 hours in water cleaned up with a reverse Osmosis filtration system (adding a very small amount of hydrogen peroxide--more about that in a minute) I planted them in some souped up little root cubes from Holland (Germinationkit.com, if you're interested) and made a little moisture-holding tent over each with a very small baggie. Since the average germination is supposed to be 3-7 days I thought I could take a couple of days off--a day and a half actually. When I looked in on my little friends 24 0f 30 had already germinated--some plants were almost 3 inches high. That's my experience, for what it's worth. These guys seemed not to care very much how you planted them.
About the hydrogen peroxide, another frequently discussed and argued-over factor: some advocate using some (with confusing discussion of amount needed) and some claim it will definitely kill your plant. I can see how this controversy might have evolved. The discussions of hydrogen peroxide in the presoak often refer to using "a 1%" or a 3% solution. I'm not a chemist, but I will say that since hydrogen peroxide comes as a 6% solution most often, if you think that this means that you should dilute the solution by half, say, to achieve a 3% solution it doesn't take a genius to see that you are definitely going to burn the shit of your plants IMMEDIATELY KILLING THEM. So this is possibly why some folks think that hydrogen peroxide can't be used. I think what was meant (and possibly misinterpreted) was a 1% to 3% dilution of what was ALREADY a 6% solution, which means a .06% solution or a .18% solution. That's a huge difference.
I spent an hour on-line reading the scientific literature on hydrogen peroxide use in germination not for our lovely specialty, but for commercial plant use, and several authors agree that an appropriate solution of water and hydrogen peroxide increases germination rates. So it does work. As to how much, being a coward, I put about 6 drops of the 6% solution in a tall water glass, and this seems to have caused no harm. In fact, as noted above (hope my luck holds), at this point they are screaming upward much faster than is usually the case. Oh, and I also scuffed the seed cases a bit before I put them in water--a little 600 grit sandpaper in a matchbox and shake for 20-30 seconds. Now this is the one that almost parallels my germination technique that works 100% for fairly fresh seeds and has worked well for seeds almost a decade old. I fill a shot glass about half way with RO or distilled water, add 3 or 4 drops of 3% food grade peroxide and just the smallest dab of dish washing soap like Dawn. The soap acts as a surfactant helping them to float lower in the water at first and then to sink faster too. Usually sitting on the bottom in a few hours. I also scuff up the seeds first by cutting some sandpaper to fit inside an old pill bottle and shaking gently for 20 - 30 seconds. I change the water after a day and omit the soap with the change. Usually they are split within 24 -36 hours then popped into my medium of choice. That is usually Pro-Mix in one of those square 9-hole germination pots. I use the same medium and pots for clones as well. Once they have a couple of sets of leaves they go into soil or DWC. I never really paid much attention to their orientation when planting unless they have a long, 1/2" or more, tail then I plant those root down with the head barely below the surface. Just my $0.02 and has worked for me for years. 
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