perhaps we should add up the posts and see who's following who around...HA!

david is ranting about the nazis and their financial collaborators for a good reason...to raise awareness of how evil is enabled (i think thats the reason but i am not dave)

one might ask what you hope to accomplish by following dave around and trying to twist his words against him...hopefully, you are doing this because you enjoy a good debate and if so, then dave is your man

here is how i see the nazi-corporation link:
corporations have repeatedly engaged in these types of behaviours since the end of the industrial revolution...more recently with the aid of specialist institutions, corporations have succeeded in turning our political system into a corporatist system that strongly diverges from the intent of democracy.

if we limit the examination of corporate financiers to germany, there is a risk of thinking that the nazis were a uniquely german phenomenon...there were many willing nazi collaborators and volunteers across europe and the trail of collaborators stretches to north america...unlike hitler, a corporation doesn't have a limited life span (even if they are willing murderers like ig farben and phillip morris)...institutions that helped hitler are still around today and its very important to keep tabs on their behaviour to try and break the cycle of corruption that supports harmful government policies like the drug war and brutal foreign policy

the military-industrial complex is not a conspiracy theory...it refers to a subset of government dependent industries that corrupt the political process by interfering with democracy...there is a prison-industrial complex and pharmaceutical-chemical complex and other tongue numbing labels that describe the complex power-sharing relationship between corporations and the government

Thanks Skell...I couldn't put it better myself.

Powerful people use their power to stay powerful.....a child could understand it.

http://www2.lhric.org/pocantico/rockefeller/1909.htm

"Thanks Skell...I couldn't put it better myself."

the understatement of the year

"one might ask what you hope to accomplish by following dave around and trying to twist his words against him...hopefully, you are doing this because you enjoy a good debate and if so, then dave is your man"

No its because carpetbaggers disgust me. People who think they can take advantage of bad times in order to promote bullcrap. I don't believe David feels he is an honest person, I think he knows he's scum, just like John Edward, taking advantage of the bereaved at their lowest most vulnerable point. Why would I beat on his followers who are already being victimized by him? That would only be adding to the cruelty. I simply want to expose people like David as the frauds and charlatans they are.

you claim to know a LOT about david...i don't like to type personal things about people i know but i must object to your characterization of DML

i first met david about 8 years ago...over the years, i have attended his rallies and court cases...he has consistently defended a range of harmless behaviours at great personal cost...he's shared his food and room with roving activists...he's defended himself in repeated court cases (successfully in my opinion)...operated north america's only above ground pot cafe with over the counter bud sales...organized countless rallies...been beaten and arrested by the police....and currently the best hope for overturning canadian prohibition at his upcoming supreme court trial

i don't agree with dave on some issues but i respect him for being well-intentioned and a person of great integrity...its hard to understand your villification of what i believe to be one of canada's hardest working superactivists...i understand why you wouldn't agree with some of his claims but you're way over the top in calling him a fraudulent, scummy, dishonest carpetbagger...of all the activists i have had the good fortune to meet in person, that least describes DML

i enjoy a good debate but i haven't seen it in this thread...if you guys want to keep tearing into eachother for fun then i'm sorry i interrupted.

BTW: a carpetbagger is an outsider seeking fortune or power...thanks for teaching me a new word

You say of David that he is well intentioned and of great integrity.

His intentions here in these forums has been displayed by him as harmful and irresponsible. His goading of others to defy the law may very well have caused the death or severe injury of well intentioned people that have let him persuade them to act in ways that they would normally not act in. He is reckless and irresponsible with propaganda that he assumes no personal responsibility for.

As to his integrity...
He intentionally misrepresents other authors work to suit his desire to instill fear and hopelessness into the minds of good and decent people... for no reason other than 15 minutes of fame for him to be in the spotlight of peoples attention.

"You say of David that he is well intentioned and of great integrity.

His intentions here in these forums has been displayed by him as harmful and irresponsible. His goading of others to defy the law may very well have caused the death or severe injury of well intentioned people that have let him persuade them to act in ways that they would normally not act in."

Non-violent civil disobedience has always gotten the best results in history...what would you suggest instead?




"He is reckless and irresponsible with propaganda that he assumes no personal responsibility for."

I stand by everything I say.








"As to his integrity...
He intentionally misrepresents other authors work..."


For example?









"..... to suit his desire to instill fear and hopelessness."

That's a bit strange....first you criticize me for encouraging people to resist the law, now you are criticizing me for intalling hopelessness.....my... you ARE hard to please, aren't you?




"..... into the minds of good and decent people... for no reason other than 15 minutes of fame for him to be in the spotlight of peoples attention."

I'm sure there are other, "safer" (in the short term - not in the long term) ways of getting attention.

non violent civil disobediece has given the hemp movement nothing but more jail time, if you want to end the pot war start flinging grenades,

Hey Abracadabra.... don't you live in Victoria?

Chill dude, aggression doesn't have a very good track record.

Civil disobedience got us to the Supreme Court, got us Vansterdam - people are going to jail everywhere, but less in BC than in most other places.

ya the jail here is great the other jail up island nanimo has a nice lake,lots of pot[brandon lake]the federal jail not so much pot wilkie,is good too ,if you play football,i have punched out a lot of good for nothing rats in there,how are the jails on the mainland