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#1750467 - 08/09/12 05:22 AM Re: i love hemp too... * [Re: davidmalmolevine]
19.5 Offline
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No, you're the one who thinks that 1) multi-billion dollar yearly subsidies for fossile fuel companies should be maintained, that 2) hemp ethanol isn't worth investing in despite being six times cheaper than oil at the pump (not to mention hemp ethanol being without the oil spills, oil wars and human-caused climate change that oil comes with),


Quote me... Show me where i made these claims

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"A fossil fuel, it is formed when large quantities of dead organisms, usually zooplankton and algae, are buried underneath sedimentary rock and undergo intense heat and pressure."


Then why does titan have methane?

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another of your many straw man arguments:


Lmao...

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"A fossil fuel, it is formed when large quantities of dead organisms, usually zooplankton and algae, are buried underneath sedimentary rock and undergo intense heat and pressure."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum


Lol..the undegreed masses love wikipedia..Why the fuck would plankton be UNDER sedimentary rock...did it not decompose first? You have no idea how geology works...its very apparent you dont have a clue, and frankly its embarrasing to listen to you talk about something you know nothing about.

Wikipedia proves nothing...
Wikipedia not good source for research

Academics warn students to NOT use wikipedia as a research source...

Students warned not to use wikipedia

Clownshoes....

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#1750473 - 08/09/12 05:55 AM Re: i love hemp too... [Re: 19.5]
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"Quote me... Show me where i made these claims"

If you're in favor of hemp ethanol, why on earth would you post stuff about how human-caused climate change is questionable? If every single scientific organization on earth with any credibility no longer disputes human-caused climate change, then you must admit it's possible it exists. If it's *possible* it exists, then you must stop debating weather or not it exists and you must move on to promoting alternatives. One should do so anyway, since the only downside to doing so is that the oil companies lose billions (if that can even be considered a downside).

The only people who promote the idea that it is impossible that humans cause climate change - the only people with a motive to - are the same people who want to resist hemp ethanol - the people who stand to lose billions - Exxon and those who shill for them.



"Then why does titan have methane?"

Methane isn't petroleum. Methane can be either biotic or abiotic:

"It has been recently discovered that thermophilic bacteria, in the sea bottom and in cooling magma, produce methane and hydrocarbon gases,[3][4]..."


^ Lollar, Sherwood et al. 2002. Abiogenic formation of alkanes in the Earth's crust as a minor source for global hydrocarbon reservoirs. Nature, 416, pp522-524. Abstract
^ a b c d B. Sherwood Lollar; G. Lacrampe-Couloume, et al. (February 2006). "Unravelling abiogenic and biogenic sources of methane in the Earth's deep subsurface". Chemical Geology 226 (3–4): 328–339. doi:10.1016/j.chemgeo.2005.09.027.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin






Where is the outer-space petroleum located? Oh ... no-where? Hmm.


Although the abiogenic hypothesis was accepted by many geologists in the former Soviet Union, it fell out of favor at the end of the 20th century because it never made any useful prediction for the discovery of oil deposits.[1] Most geologists now consider the abiogenic formation of petroleum scientifically unsupported.[1] The abiogenic origin of petroleum has also recently been reviewed in detail by Glasby, who raises a number of objections, including that there is no direct evidence to date of abiogenic petroleum (liquid crude oil and long-chain hydrocarbon compounds).[1]

^ a b c d e f g h i j k Glasby, Geoffrey P. (2006). "Abiogenic origin of hydrocarbons: an historical overview" (PDF). Resource Geology 56 (1): 83–96. doi:10.1111/j.1751-3928.2006.tb00271.x. Retrieved 2008-02-17.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin


"Lol..the undegreed masses love wikipedia.."

And those who are wrong but can't admit it dismiss Wikipedia while ignoring the sources cited within and while refusing to provide counter-evidence.


"Why the fuck would plankton be UNDER sedimentary rock...did it not decompose first? You have no idea how geology works...its very apparent you dont have a clue, and frankly its embarrasing to listen to you talk about something you know nothing about."

"... there is no generalization from the whole world of science, social or natural, which cannot be conveyed to a man of average intelligence, if you yourself understand it concretely."

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/kropotkin/memoirs/memoirs2_4.html

I can use Wikipedia, and the sources cited within are far more convincing than your patronizing, dismissive, illogical arguments.

First, prove that plankton is not located under sedimentary rock. Next, prove that this is conclusive evidence that abiotic oil exists. Finally, come up with counter-evidence that explains away the evidence that Wikipedia has provided which I have cited above.

There is a difference between using Wikipedia as a source, and using works cited in Wikipedia as a source. Only someone who didn't possess the truth would try and confuse the two.
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#1750475 - 08/09/12 06:00 AM Re: i love hemp too... [Re: 19.5]
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"Lol..the undegreed masses love wikipedia.."

A degree only holds authority if you can produce it. Since you're anonymous, you must rely on the logic of your arguments alone. If you wish to make fun of the "undegreed masses", you must then produce your degree. I suspect you are either too chickenshit to reveal your true identity, are lying about the degree, or both.

What sort of reputable academic institution would give a degree to someone who trolls cannabis websites? Wouldn't an academic not be afraid to use their real name? If you have a degree at all, I suspect it's from a correspondence school from a red state. Real academics don't spell "you" with a single letter.
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#1751014 - 08/15/12 06:34 AM Re: you used "weather" incorrectly lol [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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If you're in favor of hemp ethanol, why on earth would you post stuff about how human-caused climate change is questionable?


Thats such a childish mentality...Why would I post lies about global warming just to advance an ethanol agenda? Thats not science, thats shilling..thats how YOU operate, not me...You push an ethanol agenda and global warming advances your agenda.. Thats what the undegreed masses do...
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If you're in favor of hemp ethanol, why on earth would you post stuff about how human-caused climate change is questionable?


Because its the truth...its science..Science is truth... There is no room for bias and conjecture in science (like your above statement displays)..i dont engage in liberal logic chopping.. Im able to ingest and organize multiple angles of information without becoming bias towards any certain belief.

I SUPPORT the use of hemp for fuel...

I also know that it wouldnt be a reliable sole source of energy especially since the weather is screwed up...Its not hard for me to hold 2 differing views on the same subject..

I also dont believe humans are responsible for global warming if there even is such a thing...But i believe we should do everything to prevent it...Once again, i hold 2 different views...

Is that too difficult for u to understand?

I believe in free love also...BUT i also know that AIDS kills...

Just because i recognize the existence of AIDS doesnt mean im against sex...

We are much alike dave.. We agree on most everything..your problem stems from the fact that you think just because i dont believe in man made warming you think i ,and others, are totally against anything ecologically sound...that belief harms your position and your objectivity...it only serves to harm your quest for true knowledge and understanding of science AND people...



One more thing genius

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Real academics don't spell "you" with a single letter.


Dave...i know this may be difficult for u to understand since its such a difficult concept, but ill try...i text alot. I blog alot. I , and others, are in the habit of using shorthand such as "u" and "shud"..it serves to get your message across without taking the time to type lenthy messages..sometimes that technique spreads over to forums. Im not writing a thesis nor am i a proficient author....Pointing out grammatical texting shorthand only serves to weaken your position and your argument..

I could bust your chops all day long, such as this comment you made...and your incorrect use of the word "weather"...But it only serves to detract from the point

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If it's *possible* it exists, then you must stop debating WEATHER or not it exists and you must move on to promoting alternatives.


Whereas mine is a simple abbreviation, you show a definate lack of education...

Whenever u become a perfect being, u will then reserve the right to run around and correct the rest of us...Clownshoes

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#1751042 - 08/15/12 08:30 AM Re: you used "weather" incorrectly lol [Re: 19.5]
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The sun is the source of all that is good and all that is bad on this planet, 8 million odd miles away. Last several years its been a very very active sun, with huge solar flares and amazing high number of observed sun spots. How did the HUMAN race change how the sun interacts with our planet through the use of fossil fuels? Notice that when the USA stopped using freon for coolant, most of the world still uses it happily at a profit for Dow. China plans to use their high sulfur gasoline in their surging market for cars and woe to Canada with the upcoming acid rain. Why arent you worried about the third world, which uses WOOD as its main fuel, which is a very polluting source.
Its an agenda. It's an agenda, it's an agenda.

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#1751162 - 08/16/12 01:01 PM Re: you used "weather" incorrectly lol [Re: 19.5]
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"Whereas mine is a simple abbreviation, you show a definate lack of education..."

I'm not the one pretending to have a degree. U are.

As for "science", you haven't produced any facts that would cause the global scientific community to re-think their position on climate change:

"No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.[10][11] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

That amount of consensus is usually reserved for "the world is round" and such ... you can't find that much consensus on any other contentious issue. The reason there's still controversy is because Exxon pours millions into creating doubt:

Royal Society tells Exxon: stop funding climate change denial
Read the letter in full here (pdf)
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2006/09/19/LettertoNick.pdf

The Royal Society letter also takes issue with ExxonMobil's own presentation of climate science. It strongly criticises the company's "corporate citizenship reports", which claim that "gaps in the scientific basis" make it very difficult to blame climate change on human activity. The letter says: "These statements are not consistent with the scientific literature. It is very difficult to reconcile the misrepresentations of climate change science in these documents with ExxonMobil's claim to be an industry leader."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/sep/20/oilandpetrol.business



http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2011/06/exxonmobil-soon-climate-change-denier


http://www.good.is/post/nine-of-out-ten-climate-denying-scientists-have-ties-to-exxon-mobil-money/




But whatever ... you can claim to have "science" behind you all you like, but the only evidence produced by the climate-change deniers are of the flimsiest nature from the shittiest of websites - none of them known for scientific discussion or debate (see the lack of debate in the comment section) to produce your "science" that no reputable scientific organization will endorse. You're as convincing as your name is genuine.
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#1751293 - 08/17/12 02:22 PM Re: you used "weather" incorrectly lol [Re: 19.5]
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Originally Posted By: 19.5
Whenever u become a perfect being, u will then reserve the right to run around and correct the rest of us...Clownshoes


too right, plus bonus 10 points for the correct use of clownshoes. If this guy was real i'd beat the shit out of him for being so stupid, bunch of clownshoes.
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#1751334 - 08/17/12 10:53 PM Re: you used "weather" incorrectly lol [Re: Simo man]
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So what was the average temperature of the earth when I started this thread, Monday, February 5, 2007 and what is it today?
Anyone know?

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#1751597 - 08/20/12 12:05 PM Re: you used "weather" incorrectly lol [Re: Mr Hand]
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the earth cannot be proven to be warming or cooling in a single five year period

however:

since you started this thread, 4 out of 5 years have ranked in the top ten hottest years on the temperature data record, while the CO2 levels have rapidly increased from 383.77ppm to the current level of 394.49ppm which is higher than it has been for millions of years...therefore, in conclusion, ipso facto: sunspots!!

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#1751603 - 08/20/12 12:33 PM Re: you used "weather" incorrectly lol [Re: slartibartfast]
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Once again, Slarti has put the big oil shills in their place.
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