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#1488239 - 01/14/09 12:49 PM A Definition of ENERGY in Psychedelic Discussion *
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Hello everyone,
I had an epiphane today when I actually realized how I can explain what I mean when I feel "energy" from substances such as LSD.

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Main Entry: en·er·gy
Pronunciation: \ˈe-nər-jē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural en·er·gies
Etymology: Late Latin energia, from Greek energeia activity, from energos active, from en in + ergon work — more at work
Date: 1599

1a: dynamic quality <narrative energy>
1b: the capacity of acting or being active <intellectual energy>
1c: a usually positive spiritual force <the energy flowing through all people>

2: vigorous exertion of power : effort <investing time and energy>

3: a fundamental entity of nature that is transferred between parts of a system in the production of physical change within the system and usually regarded as the capacity for doing work

4: usable power (as heat or electricity) ; also : the resources for producing such power


Well now actually, Merriam Webster (www.m-w.com) HAS the definition I wanted to use.

But I'll go into it further for people who don't understand why LSD facilitates transfer and change of individual energy.

People eat. We take into our bodies food, sunshine, and other things as fuel. Fuel converts within our bodies into energy, both kinetic (energy in motion) and potential (energy in reserve).

As we go along in life, we give our energy to different things, ideas, events, and people. Whether it be school, church, hobbies, television, family, friends, relationships, and even pre-occupations we can't quite understand why they're there.

We convert our fuel into energy and use it for all of these things. When under the influence of a substance such as LSD, the fuel energy that is contained within your mind (basically just a conglomeration of all the things you think about/do in life) begins to loosen and swirl around. Suddenly you are not giving the energy you once were to the things and ideas you were before.

Now what happens... the released energy flies around within our nervous system, waiting to be told where to go next. In essence, we are releasing old energy patterns to be free to go where they should be to help us the most during the current time in our lives. LSD literally releases us from the Past, brings us into the Now, and allows us to choose how we will use our personal energy (from fuel, it's not actually a weird hippie idea, this is just science) in the Future.

This is an amazing tool for those trapped in childhood because of abuse, or suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder for one of many possible reasons. It literally rips you out of the past and out of those useless cycles and places you into Now. Then it wants YOU to tell it what YOU want it to do...

LSD (and other energy-freeing psychedelics) give the user a gift: The ability to take your life energy upon yourself and channel it as you see fit. ANYWHERE you see fit. If you so choose.

This is also why not everyone has a deep experience on LSD, they are already doing what they want to in life, so it will not change them much. Those who have lived in a single way of thinking (a small box) for their whole lives (or allowed others to run their lives) before the taking of LSD, however, can go through tremendous change and very meaningful experiences, because they are literally taking control of their mind for themselves.

You can see why a government might fear such a substance and make it illegal.

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#1502094 - 02/16/09 01:49 PM Re: A Definition of ENERGY in Psychedelic Discussion [Re: Heather B]
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Physicalism: A False View of the World
by Peter Meyer


There is no generally accepted accurate ism-word to describe the dominant, modern, secular (non-religious) view of the world. "Materialism" comes close but "matter" as understood in modern physics is far less "material" than was previously thought.

Physicalism will suffice as a word to denote the view that only what is physical is real, where physical means: To be found or inferred by measurement and reason as existing in the world observable by the outer senses (mainly sight). Physicalism is the ontological position assumed by modern natural science.

Materialism in the strict sense is the view that only what is material is real, where material means: composed of matter. But what is matter? Even if we equate matter with the totality of all the atoms and subatomic particles existing in the universe this still leaves electromagnetic radiation (x-rays, gamma rays, light, etc.), which has observable effects, and thus is real but is not material. Thus it is clear that materialism in the strict sense is false. When mention is made of the "materialist" view prevalent in the modern world what is being referred to is the physicalist view as defined in the preceding paragraph. But most people are unaware of the distinction between material and non-material physical reality, and for such people there is no difference between physicalism and materialism. For them the only reality is what they can see and touch (with hearing and smell indicating the presence of something to be seen or touched), and if they think further about this they generally accept (if they are not believers in some religious view of the world) what they are told by the scientific establishment: that there is no reality other than atoms (and subatomic particles) and radiation.

A major objection to physicalism is that it cannot explain the existence of consciousness. Since consciousness indisputably exists (as shown by the fact that you are now conscious of reading this) physicalists can only assert that somehow consciousness "emerges" in "sufficiently complex" physical systems from the atoms, subatomic particles and electromagnetic radiation which is all that a physicalist allows to be real. In the words of Richard Dawkins (The God Delusion), "Human thoughts and emotions emerge from exceedingly complex interconnections of physical entities within the brain." (Italics in the original.) Physicalists thus label consciousness as an "emergent property" of complex physical systems (they have to italicize "emergent" so as to slip this past one's critical faculties). But to label it in this way is not to explain how this "emergence" could possibly occur. Physicalists can talk as much as they like about neural structures, resonant patterns of brain activity and the like, but in fact they have no explanation for the "emergence" of consciousness from "complex interconnections of physical entities within the brain." This is actually an article of faith, comparable to Christians' faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Attempts by physicalists to explain consciousness are actually attempts to explain it away. "Consciousness explained" by a physicalist is really "consciousness denied". Physicalists must accept the dilemma that either consciousness does not "really" exist or that the existence of consciousness is inexplicable. Neither horn of the dilemma is satisfactory.

If, however, consciousness is a fundamental and irreducible quality of reality (so that a form of consciousness goes all the way down, even to molecules and atoms) then the existence of conscious beings such as ourselves is not a total mystery. But if a physicalist allows the possibility that physical reality is inherently conscious (which idea most physicalists would reject) then the way is open to the idea that there is some reality beyond physical reality (that is, beyond the existence of atoms, subatomic particles and electromagnetic radiation), and to move in this direction is to abandon physicalism.

No-one who follows a religion in their idea of how the world is is a physicalist. Religious people always believe in something which is not part of physical reality, often a "supreme being" which they call "God", "Allah", "Ishvara", etc. But it does not follow that someone who has a view of the world other than physicalism must have a religious view of the world. The falsity of physicalism does not imply the truth of any religious doctrine. It is entirely possible to deny physicalism without being in any sense religious.

The antithesis of physicalism (the view that physicalism is false) might be called spiritualism, but unfortunately this term is often used to refer to the 19th C. fascination with "spirits", in particular, with the invocation of them in seances. So we shall have to use the term "spiritual view of the world", or "spiritual view" for short.

The spiritual view is that there is a reality (or there are realities) which can be experienced and known which is (or are) not within the world observable by the outer senses. This view does not in itself state what exists within spiritual reality, and thus it does not entail the existence of "God" or of gods. What exists in spiritual reality is something to be discovered by experience, and which can be so discovered.

Science is not incompatible with the spiritual view if by science is understood a quest for knowledge of what is real. If there is a non-physical reality then a true scientist will wish to know about it. Modern natural scientists often assume that physicalism is true, and thereby exclude the possibility of knowledge of a spiritual reality. Such natural scientists are thus not true scientists. A natural scientist may state that only physical reality is of interest to him, but he is not justified in claiming that science can properly concern itself only with physical reality.

In order to show that physicalism is false we need only show that we may experience and know something which is not found or inferred by measurement and reason as existing in the world observable by the outer senses. This must be something which can be experienced and known by many people. It is not enough for someone to say, "I know God exists because He speaks to me." Such experience may be convincing to the person who has the experience but it does not prove that "God" exists.

There is no largest prime number; this has been known since the time of Euclid (who provided a proof). We know this to be true, but prime numbers do not exist in the physical world, therefore physicalism is false. If it be objected that there are many instances of three apples, five oranges, etc., it can be replied that there is a finite number of objects within physical reality and, whatever this number is, there is a larger prime number. I am not suggesting that prime numbers exist in some kind of Platonic heaven. I do suggest, however, that the mental ability of humans to conceive of prime numbers (and of infinite-dimensional Hilbert spaces and the like) cannot be explained by Darwinian natural selection, and is evidence that a higher intelligence is expressed in humans (or at least, in some of them).

Consider also the case of beauty in music. The music of J.S. Bach has universal appeal. Much of Bach's music is not just pleasant to listen to, it is beautiful, sometimes profoundly so. The same is true of the music of Mozart, Beethoven, Mahler and Puccini — there is no need to give examples; millions of people know the beauty to be found in their music. But this beauty does not exist in the physical world. There is no system of atoms, molecules, electromagnetic radiation, etc., however complex, which is the beauty which can be observed in, say, a Bach cantata, the slow movement of a Mozart piano concerto, Mahler's "Resurrection" Symphony or a Puccini aria. This beauty is not perceived by the ear, but by the mind; we are conscious of it; we perceive it not by any outer sense but by an inner sense. And, on this planet, it is only humans whose consciousness is sufficiently developed to be able to perceive beauty at this level. The properties of our bodies can be explained by Darwinian natural selection but not the properties of our minds.

Human consciousness can have as its objects of awareness what is beyond the physical world. Since the physical world is the world in which our bodies move, and that in which we interact bodily, consciousness of objects in non-physical reality tends to be private. But if enough people can agree on the details of an experience of something which is obviously not an object in the physical world, then that something acquires an intersubjective reality, or in other words, an objectivity. For example, a rainbow does not exist as a system of atoms, molecules, etc., yet a group of people (hundreds even) may all see the same rainbow. Of course, the rainbow can be "explained" in terms of sunlight being refracted by millions of water droplets, but this simply explains the pattern of electromagnetic radiation striking the retinas of the people seeing the rainbow — it does not explain their experience of the rainbow (because physicalism cannot explain consciousness).

People observing a rainbow can agree on the order of the colors (from indigo through green to red), whether it is a double rainbow, etc. Rainbows, of course, are intangible, and do not occupy any specific volume of 3-dimensional physical space, even though they can be observed as occurring in physical space. Thus we tend to think of them more as illusions, and rainbows do not themselves show that physicalism is false.

But they do illustrate the principle that reality is what is intersubjectively verifiable. Rainbows are real, but are not physical objects. Thus there may be other things which are real, because they are (or can be) experienced by many people, but which are not physical.

In order to experience these other things a change in brain chemistry is required. The human brain normally functions in a biochemically standard manner which is oriented toward survival in the physical world. This mode of functioning emphasizes the contributions of the outer senses (particularly sight) and motor coordination and ability (when a monkey, dashing along a path, runs into an object it must very quickly decide whether or not this is another monkey, and in either case what to do about it).

Human brains, however, have some strange abilities, which are triggered by a change in brain chemistry. A human brain exposed to LSD, psilocybin, mescaline or some such substance, functions in a way which allows forms of consciousness to arise which are radically different to everyday consciousness. Someone who has not directly experienced these alternative forms of consciousness can have only a very vague idea of them, however much they read about them. In these altered states an expanded consciousness is possible — an expansion beyond the everyday consciousness which is focussed on (and largely constrained by) input from the outer bodily senses. One's mind can wander into strange realms.

Shamans are trained to do this; they do not so much "wander" as travel purposely. And in their travels they meet and communicate with spirits, which often appear to them in the form of animals. Shamans have for many millennia used psychoactive plants (peyote, datura, Amanita mushrooms, etc.) to induce states of consciousness which allow them to enter this non-ordinary reality and communicate with spirits, who impart information to them (when and where to hunt, where lost objects may be found, which plants are good for which purposes, etc.). Despite the evidence collected by anthropologists who have studied shamanic cultures, physicalists tend to deny that shamans enter a non-ordinary reality, simply because it is inconsistent with their physicalist assumptions. In this denial they are betraying their vocation as scientists, because a true scientist seeks to know all of reality, and to know it by experience and observation (supplemented by reason). To discount anthropological data because it is inconsistent with one's assumptions is clearly unscientific.

Physicalists may, if they wish, enter the same non-ordinary states that shamans do, and by the same means (although lacking in the experience and training that a shaman possesses). Despite benighted, draconian, pernicious and contemptible laws criminalizing the use of psychoactive substances, it is still possible to partake of the ayahuasca brew, to find psilocybin mushrooms sprouting from cow pies, and to obtain by discreet means a variety of psychedelics (since there are many people who know the value of these substances and risk their liberty in order to assist others to gain the experience of non-ordinary reality).

The most powerful psychedelic (at least, in my experience) is N,N-dimethytryptamine (or DMT for short), a substance which allows anyone to prove to themselves the complete falsity of the physicalist assumption that all reality consists of systems of atoms, sub-atomic particles and electromagnetic radiation. DMT provides access to a realm which is so totally weird that it is inconceivable that it could be part of the physicalist's limited reality. It also allows experience of a realm inhabited by discarnate entities who are self-evidently independently existing intelligent beings, but whose place of existence clearly cannot be this physical world.

These beings have been reported by many people. It is not a matter of a few "wild-eyed crazies" muttering about "self-transforming machine-elves". By now hundreds, probably thousands, of people have experienced these entities (first brought to public attention by Terence McKenna; see here, here, here and here for reports), and all agree that they, and the space they inhabit, are totally weird (and the further you go the weirder it gets). Thus these entities have intersubjective validity — lots of people agree about them, or at least, that they exist. And lots more would be able to report that they exist if DMT were legal. It is mainly because psychedelic experience exposes the falsity of the mainstream definition of reality that the use of psychedelics is prohibited by those who benefit from keeping the mass of people in a state of spiritual ignorance (thereby making it easier to keep them in a state of involuntary servitude).

Terence and Dennis McKenna stated already in 1975 (in The Invisible Landscape):

The idea of the simultaneous coexistence of an alien dimension all around us is as strange an idea in the context of modern society as it must have been to the first shamans, whose experiments with psychoactive plants would have soon brought them to the same tryptamine doorway. What is the nature of the invisible landscape beyond that doorway? ... If the world beyond the doorway can be given consensual validation of the sort extended to the electron and the black hole ... then our own circumscribed historical struggle will be subject to whole new worlds of possibility.

Here's an extract from one of the reports linked to above:

I am outside in a very futuristic patterned garden with bright coloured, very small, dots over everything, which are all flowing in certain directions. No plants as such but garden nonetheless. There is a corridor with a very tangible ambience, one can feel the space around. It now appears to be a temple structure of some futuristic sort, like some space age Hindu/Mayan temple with the walls displaying architecture similiar to the Pyramid of the Sun at Teotihuacan except the walls are inverted to angle outward with the terraces reversed. It seems very real but also very fleeting, changing rapidly. There are beings that are here the whole time from the very moment I entered the trip right to the moments of trying to get out of it. They seemed to have been waiting for me. ... They were very colourful, had strange relentless grins, very slender and could move their arms around at strange angles. Despite the high-frequency quantised pulsing in which they moved, there was still a very fluid flow to it. ... These beings just kept on grinning. They knew that I knew that this was the price paid to enter their "special" world. They were very keen to show me their magic. I would try to look away but each time I tried, they would stop my breath and do some amazing transformational magic which I simply can't describe and [which] was so amazing that I was prevented by awe from looking away. Sorry, I can't even hold it in thought for more than a fleeting moment. It was very beautiful and totally bizarre. It was as though the strength of magic taking place was way too much. Solid forms of colour and shape, way beyond the geometric forms. In your face. They kept on fanning out this magic like opening one of those decorated hand fans. They knew that this was the only place that I could experience it. Not even in memory could I see this stuff. I couldn't take it back with me. They were going for it big time. It was a really solid reality but constantly changing.

As illustrated in this report, the DMT entities are experienced as existing in some kind of space, but it is clearly not the space of ordinary experience. It has been compared to 4-dimensional space, and has been called hyperspace for lack of a better word. Hyperspace, and the DMT entities found within it, constitute a fundamental challenge to those philosophers who espouse physicalism in any form.

There are three positions which a philosopher can take with regard to hyperspace and the DMT entities:

1. Hyperspace is no more real than the space experienced in dreams, and the so-called entities within it are no more real than people experienced in dreams (regarded as merely subjective mental phenomena).
2. Hyperspace is real and is not part of physical space; thus its inhabitants are non-physical.
3. Hyperspace is real and is fundamentally of the same stuff as the physical world; both are physical but are experienced in very different ways.

Given the (presumed) near-total lack of experience of the DMT state among contemporary philosophers, it is almost certain that #1 would be their overwhelming response. But this is, basically, an argument from ignorance (since these philosophers have no direct knowledge of the DMT state), and it rules out a priori a body of evidence (namely, the testimony of many people who have experienced the DMT entities) simply because that evidence is inconsistent with commonly held assumptions.

Actually it is impossible for anyone who has not experienced Level III of the DMT experience to imagine it, however much they have read about it or talked to those who have had the experience. This level of the experience is of a nature which is radically different from everyday experience, dream experience and even most other psychedelic experience (having taken a few LSD trips does not enable one to imagine a full-on DMT experience). Thus no-one who has not experienced DMT hyperspace is qualified to say anything about it, except to discuss its philosophical implications based on the reports of those others who actually know what they are talking about.

#3 is possible for a physicalist (albeit an unconventional one), but requires an explanation of how the DMT entities can be claimed to be composed of the same stuff (atoms, molecules, etc.) as the entities within the ordinary physical world. Perhaps (since, for a physicalist, 'energy' is the only alternative to quarks, mesons, protons, atoms, etc.) they are not composed of anything 'material' but are 'energy beings' of some kind? It is likely, however, that the nature of those entities is, in our present state of intellectual development, totally incomprehensible by us. In the words of the renowned British biologist J.B.S. Haldane (himself a great psychonaut), they are "not only queerer than we suppose but queerer than we can suppose."

If #1 is rejected as being based on ignorance and prejudice, and if #3 is not a defensible position, that leaves #2. It makes sense if we consider the hypothesis that what we perceive as the physical world is actually a part of a larger reality (or more exactly is a bubble within a larger reality, with our ordinary experience of physical reality being an experience entirely within that bubble and subject to limitations imposed by it), and that it is the non-physical part of that larger reality which we experience directly in the DMT state.

It is possible that this physical world is actually an incubator of souls, in the sense that, just as the womb is an incubator of our physical body, our life in this world enables the development of a mental body which can persist beyond the dissolution of the physical one; and that just as birth is a transition from the womb to a higher-dimensional and vastly more complex world, so death (if the mental body is sufficiently developed) is a transition from the world of physical life to the higher-dimensional and vastly more complex world of the DMT entities.

Galileo accepted the Copernican hypothesis that the planets revolve about the Sun, and he used an early form of the telescope to view the planets and the moons of Jupiter. It is reported that, in a dispute with a cardinal, Galileo suggested that he look through the telescope to view those moons. The cardinal refused. Just so, most if not all contemporary philosophers refuse to look through the lens provided by psychedelic substances so as to perceive a reality which physicalists deny exists. The experience resulting from smoking DMT absolutely refutes the conventional physicalist view of the world, but at present this fact is known by very few people.

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#1504566 - 02/22/09 11:08 PM Re: A Definition of ENERGY in Psychedelic Discussion [Re: flower power]
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pulled the words out of my mind! and more! that reading picked up my mood! cant wate for another san pedro or shroom trip! my last one was amazing!

i took some serian Rue tea that i had made and took about 4 grams of some blue ass shroom i got from one of my homies! told me they were almost too much, said to take hafe wich i should have! let alone the MAOIs! lol!
i first began to see distortions and intense colors... then began the intense energy! i was by the way in the desert of salt water city CA. my god! i met and saw the spirit of the desert! i began to become one with the entire landscape! myfirends began to become disatnt beings who scared me! so i ended up runing off to get away from their loud takling mouths! the stars where the most amazing to me! they spun and turned colors then turned into eyes that spoke to me! rased me off the ground! i was a trasparent eyeball! that was only the beging! the rest was too intense! i died and was reborn... multiple times as diffent beings or creatures! i bagan to fly. my mind at least and i was the air in the desert! the moon was about a sliver or so. but danced and tworld around me... became me! my friends found me later... i was naked i gues from what they told me! but while i was still tripping i ran from them! beliving they were the moon people of the desert that had come to take me away to see god... my life flashed before me at times! memories of disatnt pasts! my childhood! leanred some things about myslef... like why i have insecurites and hate my mother... it was an experince that i will never foreget! it is still fresh in my mind. made me a better person indeed!

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#1508615 - 03/05/09 02:34 AM Re: A Definition of ENERGY in Psychedelic Discussion [Re: Psychonaut4Life]
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This is very educational and in so being, AWESOME! I cant wait to do an extraction and find out for myself if I believe in a 4th dimension
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#1508716 - 03/05/09 10:19 AM Re: A Definition of ENERGY in Psychedelic Discussion [Re: GanjaGardener]
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Ganja Gardener, go straight for the 5th dimension, it's the friendly one... ;\)

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#1508992 - 03/05/09 11:11 PM Re: A Definition of ENERGY in Psychedelic Discussion [Re: Heather B]
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Hahaha ill be sure to visit all that I can but 15 minutes is such a small amount of time to travel other dimensions
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#1748562 - 07/18/12 07:23 AM Re: A Definition of ENERGY in Psychedelic Discussion [Re: GanjaGardener]
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We know that Energy can be modified from one type to another, but a power has to be used to modify the form of energy. e.g. When a man raises a stone, the substance power owned and operated by the man is modified into prospective energy, and the modification is due to the power used on the stone applied by the man.
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#1750459 - 08/09/12 04:18 AM Re: A Definition of ENERGY in Psychedelic Discussion [Re: Heather B]
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Some pretty deep, dark thinking going on in here and I gotta admit it's a lot to take in all at once.

Personally I have taken LSD well over a thousand times. Sometime up to a dozen hits at once, even injecting blotter acid.

My 1st hit was a cap of Purple Haze in 1968 when I was 13 and going to a "free" school in downtown Vancouver, BC.

Needless to say 'cid was plentiful and cheap. I would buy a thousand lot for $250 and sell for $2 each or 3 for $5.

Ate it all like they were Smarties!

Had enough brain cells left to go back to school im my early 30s and get a chem diploma.

A very good friend of mine took acid once and was changed forever. For the worse tho.

99.9% of my trips were good ones and I've tripped on lots of 'shrooms and peyote too. Everything else that was available over the years I've tried multiple times as well. Peyote buttons, brown wafer mescaline, (jumped out of an airplane on that stuff!). Real MDA, like new fallen snow! Chemical psylocibine,(sp?) (like living in a cartoon for 2 days!) Orange wafer acid at the Strawberry Mountain Rock Festival when I was 14. 5 days of madness! Valdy wrote the "Give me some rock and roll" song after the shit I started at the festival!

Used to get ripped on acid and go driving. Had a '68 Dodge 440 that left flames all over the Fraser Valley and I'd white-knuckle ride up to Whistler on my '70 Bonneville chopper. Racing with Dwayne on his tricked out Honda CB450! Some crazy shit there! smile

Smoked some crack about 6 years ago. Knew to walk away after the third time. Stuff could steal my soul!

Did heroin for a while in my late teens. Smoked/snorted it but never main-lined. Main-lined coke a few times and LSD as noted above. Some crushed up Valium found it's way in there a couple of times too.

So many others like DMT etc but Uncle 'Sid was my best friend for many years. I last hung out with him in '88 after my final exams at BCIT from my first term of Chem Sci. "Wasn't That A Party!" (Irish Rovers) lol

I could go on for pages but if nothing else it was time well wasted being wasted! smile

peace

PS: I last donated blood about a year ago for my 44th time. All systems still a go!


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