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#1747222 - 07/02/12 11:27 AM led lights?
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I am looking to see if a led light would do my plant any good and if so what color would be best

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#1747240 - 07/02/12 02:49 PM Re: led lights? [Re: ayos]
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depends man. led is really no better than HID take it from me ive used both.
all the hype behind leds is just that hype. when shopping for led they always say "comparable" to..... look at a 48w cfl it says 200w "equivelant" BULLSHIT!
same with led. yeah they have a higher PAR rating but if you spend the money on a good HID bulb you get the same par. if you use led you'll still need the same amount of wattage as an hid dont go for this "oh its 500w led ".... bullshit it is not a 500w led growlight it is 500w equivalent. if you were to test it on a kill a watt or any other electricity meter you will see i am right and its more in the 25o/300w range. still not really comparable to hid. the cool thing about led is the tailored spectrums(nm) at its peak points. led should be used as supplimental lighting not a stand alone.
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#1747276 - 07/02/12 10:04 PM Re: led lights? [Re: the_dank_one]
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what the dank one said reverberates through my brain. I would add to his excellent analysis that I personally found them to be a wonderful supplemental lighting source but until a time when the have either been perfected enough to be economical, I would not employ them as my main light source. We did a big thread on this subject where many points of view were expressed. It is actually really great reading. You ought to go and read this http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1719710&page=1
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#1747832 - 07/09/12 08:16 AM Re: led lights? [Re: the_dank_one]
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Originally Posted By: the_dank_one
...when shopping for led they always say "comparable" to..... look at a 48w cfl it says 200w "equivelant" BULLSHIT!

...if you use led you'll still need the same amount of wattage as an hid dont go for this "oh its 500w led ".... bullshit it is not a 500w led growlight it is 500w equivalent.

I just wanted to point out that the comparison being made, or the "equivalent" thing, is not a comparison to HIDs, but rather to incandescent light bulbs.

I've been reading up on consumer labeling requirements on the DOE web site and in order to get the consumers mindset off of watts, as a brightness comparison, and onto lumens, a CFL package will state some thing like "65 watts, 300 watt equivalent" while leaving out the "300 watt incandescent bulb equivalent" part.

This is being done for several reasons, one being that consumers have, in the past, purchased their incandescent bulbs based on wattage as a measure of brightness. This worked for incandescent bulbs when there was no competition, but wattage is only a measure of the power consumed by the bulb in question and not a measure of brightness.

A problem was created as newer technologies came along with bulbs or diodes that put out the same number of lumens as an incandescent bulb but with much lower power consumption. You yourself made the same wattage comparison when you stated "if you use led you'll still need the same amount of wattage as an hid", which is not true. You can get the same amount of lumens as an incandescent bulb using far less watts, and someday you will get the same amount of lumens as a HID while using less power i.e. wattage. That day is not here yet.

And Dawg, that was good reading, though it was started four years ago and has continued until this year. A lot has happened in the LED industry during that time and the prices have fallen, though not yet low enough for my wallet. I'm still waiting for an inexpensive high output (lumens), low power consumption (wattage) LED that has been doped for the perfect spectrum or PAR for our favorite plant, with a little UVB tossed in. It can be done and will be done someday.

Two questions for Ayos, who said "I am looking to see if a led light would do my plant any good and if so what color would be best?"

First, how many plants are you working with here and, second, at what stage of development are you referring?

Disclaimer: I'm not trying to start a LED vs. HID vs. CFL discussion, only trying to clarify statements already made.

I hope this helped... 52.
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#1747865 - 07/09/12 03:56 PM Re: led lights? [Re: my1952HD]
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good info you are correct led gets better everyday..i on the other hand have ran side by side comparisons with led/cfl vs cfl/led. the set up was one blackstar 240 and 2 cfl's vs ufo and 8 cfl same wattage's same fans everything matched give or take 5 watts. the cfl/led combo out performed the led/cfl. what made it sting even more was the grower who ran the other grow...(in the same room as mine) was her first time growing weed ever!! and she beat me in the end when the scale came into play. good job on your research man i really like that you are taking the steps most other peeps cringe at...reading! i have been contemplating jumping back on the LED wagon but.... not yet i'll give it a lil more time and all the quirks will be worked out and led will finally be at its perfection.
now that im back on hid i can tell you ...it still wins even though it does cost more to ....(cool) but hey i get more weight so which is really the win win situation?
btw i ran 55w full spectrum led panel and in no way shape or form was it even comparable to a 400w hid light like they claim..not even close! id like to see that one panel pull 8 ounces never ever ever ever ever gonna happen. all i can say is other than ranting is... buy one and run a side by side and see what wins.shit even run it against cfl.
in no way shape or form was my response ment to be insultive or degrading what "they" say isnt always true.only through side by side comparrison will the truth be learned.


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#1747884 - 07/09/12 08:57 PM Re: led lights? [Re: my1952HD]
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Originally Posted By: my1952HD
Two questions for Ayos, who said "I am looking to see if a led light would do my plant any good and if so what color would be best?"

First, how many plants are you working with here and, second, at what stage of development are you referring?

The reason I ask is that you mention your plant, not plants and the stage of development will determine what spectrum you would want to be using.

I think you've gotten some good suggestions here, but as usual, in order to give a more complete and correct answer, you'll have to give up a little more information.

As I see that this is your first post, welcome to CC forums but understand we can't do anything without information, just guess. I grow with CFLs, others grow with HIDs and some have grown with LEDs or combinations of any of these. You have attracted attention with your one line post, make the most of it by providing more information.
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#1747901 - 07/10/12 06:36 AM Re: led lights? [Re: my1952HD]
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Hey lads, long time since ive been on here. I have a question that fits in with all this. I am moving house and have a small shed to grow in, 6-8 small plants. I want to use LED but looking for a light that can take me through the whole grow and doesnt cost the earth. Any advice anyone?
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#1747933 - 07/10/12 03:21 PM Re: led lights? [Re: Harry Houdini]
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Yeah a small HID Harrysmile
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#1747934 - 07/10/12 03:30 PM Re: led lights? [Re: McLovin']
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I don't know shit. But as far as I'm concerned there is no such thing as a good cheap LED... I still flower under a couple of LumiGrows. Not cheap though.
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#1747938 - 07/10/12 04:21 PM Re: led lights? [Re: nutogrow]
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lumi just announced a couple new ones nutogrow
and they mentioned you - although they called you Australia!
they are keeping the price hid (as i look at my right nut)



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