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#1747980 - 07/11/12 11:22 AM Re: To Trim Or Not To Trim?? [Re: NScooknet]
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Once the two new grow tips are showing nicely you could flip. By then the next set of branches below should be almost the same height and they will stretch a little faster than the new tips so with any luck they'll be even with the tops once the stretch is over.

Another week ought to be enough.

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#1748121 - 07/13/12 03:59 PM Re: To Trim Or Not To Trim?? [Re: LabRat]
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What exactly do you mean by "the stretch"??

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#1748122 - 07/13/12 04:04 PM Re: To Trim Or Not To Trim?? [Re: NScooknet]
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NS, the stretch is referring to early flowering when a plant typically doubles to triples in height.
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#1748141 - 07/13/12 06:50 PM Re: To Trim Or Not To Trim?? [Re: Rebel Dawg]
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Ahhh...I get it.

I'm still learning the lingo.

I have to say that I have alot of exposure to outdoor growing back in the hills of Vancouver Island back in the early 90's, but this whole "indoors" thing these days is all new to me, especially hydro.

Back in the day, you just planted a bunch of seeds, (and I mean a BUNCH!)then checked back a few weeks later to see what the deer and banana slugs left behind for you, and of course, you always planted on someone else's land, or crown land, haha.

If you were lucky, you got a good yield after mother nature got through with ya.

Thanks for your info smile

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#1748149 - 07/13/12 08:15 PM Re: To Trim Or Not To Trim?? [Re: Rebel Dawg]
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I used to measure almost everything done to my plants and I've never had any go over double in height and most have come in at less than 75% tho I've heard some do.

There's a fairly accurate rule about stretch time starting from the time you flip 'til you crop. The 40-60 rule.

40% of the flowering time will be stretch and 60% will be bud growth and fattening up.

Thus an 8 week flower will be 56 days x 0.4 = 22.4 days of stretch.

It's pretty damn close in my experience.

With hydro it's pretty easy to tell when stretch is coming to an end by monitoring your daily ppm drop.

As the plants are getting bigger in veg the daily drop should be slowly increasing. Shortly after flipping the drop will begin to dramatically increase. I've observed my DWC go up to a 500% increase in the middle of stretch then stay steady 'til near the end.

A few days to a week from the end there will be a tapering off of the daily drop that will usually end up to be less than what the plants were using at the peak of veg. Mine will stay like that with a very slow tapering off during the rest of flowering.

Another noticeable dropping off of daily feeding seems to occur as the buds are reaching their peak indicating the end is near! smile

The last few grows I've let 'em grow and not been accurately observant of all the details but after a dozen years you can hardly blame me for slacking off. wink

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#1748157 - 07/13/12 08:48 PM Re: To Trim Or Not To Trim?? [Re: LabRat]
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Originally Posted By: LabRat
I used to measure almost everything done to my plants and I've never had any go over double in height and most have come in at less than 75% tho I've heard some do.

There's a fairly accurate rule about stretch time starting from the time you flip 'til you crop. The 40-60 rule.

40% of the flowering time will be stretch and 60% will be bud growth and fattening up.

Thus an 8 week flower will be 56 days x 0.4 = 22.4 days of stretch.

It's pretty damn close in my experience.

With hydro it's pretty easy to tell when stretch is coming to an end by monitoring your daily ppm drop.

As the plants are getting bigger in veg the daily drop should be slowly increasing. Shortly after flipping the drop will begin to dramatically increase. I've observed my DWC go up to a 500% increase in the middle of stretch then stay steady 'til near the end.

A few days to a week from the end there will be a tapering off of the daily drop that will usually end up to be less than what the plants were using at the peak of veg. Mine will stay like that with a very slow tapering off during the rest of flowering.

Another noticeable dropping off of daily feeding seems to occur as the buds are reaching their peak indicating the end is near! smile

The last few grows I've let 'em grow and not been accurately observant of all the details but after a dozen years you can hardly blame me for slacking off. wink

peace



Thats a great post man. And accurate in my experience as well. Do you feed your plants transition nutrients during the stretch or are you in full bloom nutes already?


Edited by ivankov4 (07/13/12 08:52 PM)

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#1748164 - 07/13/12 09:33 PM Re: To Trim Or Not To Trim?? [Re: ivankov4]
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The amount of stretch is obviously strain dependent. Idicas are going to have a much shorter stretch whereas a sativa will have a much loner one. I am sure Lab Rats numbers are correct for his/her strain, but not for mine. In other words each and every strain will be different. I have love sativas and they will often triple in size on you but also go 10-12 weeks in flower too.
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#1748167 - 07/13/12 11:55 PM Re: To Trim Or Not To Trim?? [Re: ivankov4]
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Originally Posted By: ivankov4

Thats a great post man. And accurate in my experience as well. Do you feed your plants transition nutrients during the stretch or are you in full bloom nutes already?


Thanks ivan.

I like to add extra bloom a week before flipping or start them on a fresh batch of bloom nutes then. I put in some Big Bud about a week after 12/12 too.

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#1748171 - 07/14/12 12:28 AM Re: To Trim Or Not To Trim?? [Re: Rebel Dawg]
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The 40-60 rule isn't strain dependent as it's a ratio of the whole flowering period.

I just used an 8 week strain as an example. My 14 week Northern Mist obviously has a longer stretch period.

98 days x 0.4 = 39.2 days. Usually with them the vertical slows before then but the feeding is still at very high levels as flower bracts are popping out like crazy. The feeding slows rapidly with them too near the end of the stretch period.

I'm usually using a 400W EYE Hortilux then add a 400HPS a week before flipping when I put them on a bloom rich diet. Maybe the EYE helps keep down the stretch as it's on 'til the end.

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#1748199 - 07/14/12 08:49 AM Re: To Trim Or Not To Trim?? [Re: LabRat]
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Originally Posted By: LabRat
I used to measure almost everything done to my plants and I've never had any go over double in height and most have come in at less than 75% tho I've heard some do.

There's a fairly accurate rule about stretch time starting from the time you flip 'til you crop. The 40-60 rule.

40% of the flowering time will be stretch and 60% will be bud growth and fattening up.

Thus an 8 week flower will be 56 days x 0.4 = 22.4 days of stretch.

It's pretty damn close in my experience.

With hydro it's pretty easy to tell when stretch is coming to an end by monitoring your daily ppm drop.

As the plants are getting bigger in veg the daily drop should be slowly increasing. Shortly after flipping the drop will begin to dramatically increase. I've observed my DWC go up to a 500% increase in the middle of stretch then stay steady 'til near the end.

A few days to a week from the end there will be a tapering off of the daily drop that will usually end up to be less than what the plants were using at the peak of veg. Mine will stay like that with a very slow tapering off during the rest of flowering.

Another noticeable dropping off of daily feeding seems to occur as the buds are reaching their peak indicating the end is near! smile

The last few grows I've let 'em grow and not been accurately observant of all the details but after a dozen years you can hardly blame me for slacking off. wink

peace



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Great post Labby, well thought out, well written.
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