Jack Layton - "...and making sure no one is left behind. Let's continue to move forward."

Well I've applied to get a DG with the recommendations from the people on this site. Lets see how things go.

I'll keep you all updated. I've heard the time to process applications has sped up to 2-3 weeks.

I am running out of patience trying to get you to understand that I am not and never have bashed DG's. I believe they provide an essential service to our community and without the growers, designated or not, we would be a hurting and miserable country without them.

What you continue to fail to understand is that I am only warning people about the agreements they get into and the implications of those agreements. You keep making it sound like I am warning people that DG's are somehow terrible people making too much money and you are wrong again.

Just like your claim that your math is so bang on when your math only has a multiplication button and no subtraction buttons (ie the expenses) Some of your math may be correct some of the time for some of the growers as far as the yields go but then again you never took into account any factors such as powdery mildew or mites destroying a crop or rippers coming and stealing it all or just a crop loss due to a power failure so I don't agree about how bang on your math is.

You say I jump to DG's defense in another thread, I am going to take a stab at it and guess that you mean my defending Marco. What I defend is a persons right to their private business being left private and was trying to point out that it wasn't smart to be publicly naming someone to committing a crime based on speculation.

I wonder why you don't believe small limit growers should be providing this same service to clubs as the large limit ones.

You might go back and read my posts again and see just how many times you missed the point I was making about DG's and the agreements.

As for the math: I know that every situation is different and each of my suppliers has different sets of logistics to work with. Some can produce it cheaper but they live farther away so transportation charges are higher and some are growing in their homes or greenhouses where others are renting commercial space and staffing huge operations. All have different operating costs and profit margins.

It's just like any other business.Check around and I bet you will find that the price of producing cucumbers varies as well among the farmers.


cannagirl

Pink - "I change my mind so much I need two boyfriends and a girlfriend"

This is what you just said, now here is what you said before, in a post about Designated Growers who provide free medicine.



Do you not understand how contradictory this is? First you say they should be avoided with a 100 foot pole, even tho they explain EXACTLY how they operate in all cases as to allow the patient to make an informed decision, you then turn around and say they have a place, yet their place as you claim shouldn't be touched by patients with a 100 foot pole. In the quote from the designated grower thread, you go on about legal implication and their profits off the backs of the patients.

Also, my math is based on potential, from extremely experienced growers, look up the word potential, I've said that in my last post, as I also said in my last post how to correct that to get more accurate representations based on level of experience.

This is what confuses me so much about you canna, it's not that I honestly want to fight with you, I see conundrums in your post's that I feel the urge to point out, because you are such a monumental person here, essentially a wealth of information for the MMAR program, people not only are referred to you for information, but people cling to it like gold as well, because it's always very accurate.

As for before with the compassion club profit stuff, I simply would like to know the average price cost per gram, the average monthly expenses, average price per gram paid by customers, and average grams sold per month, I simply want to see what kind of profits are being made so I can be assured it's not a huge money grab, as I'm sure plenty of people believe it to be also.

I don't think it's unrealistic to request this information, as they are supposed to be non profit in the first place, for profit I can understand, but non profit? Come on, why not show the figures, is there something to hide?

You want people to get a better picture of why people should avoid DG's with a 100 foot pole, due to legal implications and profits earned piggybacking patient plant counts, yet your not willing to provide proof of your "Compassion" when requested. Yet these DG's are, they tell you their earning profits by growing out more than required, at least any DG I've spoken to has, they make no effort to hide it in my personal experience, yet you ignore, and fight with me tooth and nail when I ask you what kind of profits, if any, are made at a compassion club.

The person you are defending is every person I described in my mathematical scenario, who grows for the patient and provides them with free medicine, who in turn sells to black market/compassion clubs. The same people who you claim should be avoided with 100 foot poles. These are also the same people who you claim are required for compassion clubs to preform their own business.

As for the grams per day thing, I believe everyone who needs to have someone grow for them, should have someone be able to grow for them, despite Grams per day, but this is unfortunately not the scenario we have, and many low limit patients have nobody to DG for them. It's simply the way it is, and is why it is used the way it is in my examples.

I think you are confusing two different things that cannagirl is saying Pharog. Firstly, not to speak for Canna, but I believe her comments were not derogatory to ALL DG's nor do I read into her words that she feels that DG's should be abolished.

She is referring to those DG's that have been known to scam patients, and are working outside of the guidelines of the permit. You may not realize it, but it IS a real issue. It may be that this is an aspect that you are unfamiliar with. I have heard some heartbreaking tales from patients and I am certain that Cannagirl has run into even more.

I dont know why you would think that the Dispensary should open its books to you, it seems that you wouldn't ask any other not for profit to do so, unless you were making some sort of large donation.... It just seems a little strange to me.

As a previously straight laced Jane that had to go to the streets to get medicine for a loved one, I place a high value on dispensaries, they are in many ways the front line of ALL the efforts that are on going to change the laws. No one is forcing you to purchase from a dispensary.

SW

"As for before with the compassion club profit stuff, I simply would like to know the average price cost per gram, the average monthly expenses, average price per gram paid by customers, and average grams sold per month, I simply want to see what kind of profits are being made so I can be assured it's not a huge money grab, as I'm sure plenty of people believe it to be also.

I don't think it's unrealistic to request this information, as they are supposed to be non profit in the first place, for profit I can understand, but non profit? Come on, why not show the figures, is there something to hide?"

Well PharOG, from what I understand, they can't be a non-profit organization, technically they have to apply for that status and since "compassion clubs" are illegal they would never be given that status. So they can call themselves whatever they want, but it won't change the fact that they aren't really what they claim to be. You know I agree, if they have nothing to hide, they should release a financial statement for the fiscal year, but I guess since they can at their own discretion they don't have to release anything publicly, but then again if they really are as compassionate as they say they are it shouldn't be such a big issue, but if I was to take a logical guess, I would say they are making a lot more profit then they claim, I would say that the owner's are making a decent salary. Again at the end of the day, if they are as compassionate, truthful and honest as they say, it won't be a big deal to release last year's fiscal statement or even publish a couple of quarterly report's.

Don't get me wrong Sea, I believe all have their place, but in the first quote I provided, she's seen defending the very people she claims people should stay away from in the second quote.

I understand that there are problems in this area, I'm well aware of that, my numbers and obvious thought into this shows that.

As for the records, I would expect ALL non-profit business's to show their books when requested, specially when their integrity as a whole is being thrown into question, this is something I would expect from them, as I would expect to have done to me given the roles reversed. Otherwise, I'd selling to some exceptionally stupid people, who just buy from my club and take my bullshit word for it that I'm "Non Profit"

I don't buy from dispensaries at all, have not since the local one here refused to sell @ less than $10/g, even on half my months supply @ 270 grams, they wanted $2700 for 270g, THAT IS A FUCKIN RIP OFF, AND WHY I DON'T TRUST EM!! I'd like to support them, but being a street dealer previously, and having a maximum of 20 customers, making THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER MONTH, from only 20 people, selling it for CHEAPER than these compassion clubs do, now if we consider compassion clubs, with a minimum of 50 customers, each paying more per gram than I charged, I see the profits building up..., it's simple math, and as previously displayed, I'm good at that.

I'm by no means stupid, and would expect anyone else who considers anything at all to ask these exact questions, as they have been asked before, and ignored.

Grow some. Keep track of your time. See how it goes for ya.

As long as its illegal, there's going to be a profit scheme. If and when it's legal, there's going to be a profit scheme. There aint no such thing as a free lunch.