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#1746096 - 06/22/12 05:14 PM Re: MMAR grams per day limits...? [Re: cannagirl420]
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Who really gives a shit how the weed gets out there, lets just be glad it's there. The bigger the plant count, the better it is for everyone. If everyone was legal, nobody would be smoking pot. At least people selling their OVERGROW rather than DESTROYING it(ya right), usually have good weed cause they're growing it for themselves. Quit bitchin' people and light up some of that legal or illegal weed. I'll guarantee you'll feel better.
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#1746139 - 06/23/12 09:51 AM Re: MMAR grams per day limits...? [Re: PharOG]
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Originally Posted By: PharOG
Originally Posted By: cannagirl420
Originally Posted By: PharOG

First you claim that DG's who grow for patients free of charge, and then turn around and sell extra on the street or to compassion clubs, and these people need to be "Warned about" and "Avoided" yet here we have someone by NAME who is KNOWS to do this... and you're siding WITH him in this debate...

The only thing I have ever warned people about is to avoid getting themselves caught up in an agreement with a designated grower to receive "free" weed in exchange for their licenses, ESPECIALLY if they don't know and trust the person.

I warn patients that if complete strangers are trying to convince you that they have your best interest in mind and that they are compassionate to your needs as a patient that they, the patient, should think long and hard about the motivation behind the "compassion" being offered before signing any documents.

I warn people about making sure they go into their deals with full disclosure and understanding the implications of the deals so they aren't left standing with their mouth wide open and asking why they just had their property forfeited under the "proceeds of crime" charges.


You're "Advice" on this subject has always been "These are the people patients need to avoid" up until my last post, now it's "Patients should be WELL informed before signing one of these DG's".

Come now, which is it? or are you one of those people who's belief changes when it suits them best.


Like I said I warn people about the agreements being made with the licenses because they are often getting into something they don't completely understand. If there is a warning about the people it would be toward people who don't really have your best interest in mind, they have their own needs in mind and the license is the way to them achieving their own goals.

There is no difference in what I have said.

Originally Posted By: PharOG
Do you tell your patients that dealing with your club is equally illegal? That they run the risk of being charged with fueling organized crime, that near the exact same implications can be made by them dealing with your club? Or is your club one of them ones that pretends to be sanctioned by Health Canada (Which would be complete BS, because NO club is sanctioned by Health Canada)

We make no false claims at our Dispensary about the legality of what we do, that is why we encourage everyone to register with Health Canada so that they as individuals are protected where we can't be. We do not have a license to distribute cannabis and have never claimed we did.

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#1746141 - 06/23/12 10:13 AM Re: MMAR grams per day limits...? [Re: cannagirl420]
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#1746143 - 06/23/12 10:18 AM Re: MMAR grams per day limits...? [Re: banty2]
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Registered: 01/26/12
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Originally Posted By: banty2
Who really gives a shit how the weed gets out there, lets just be glad it's there. The bigger the plant count, the better it is for everyone. If everyone was legal, nobody would be smoking pot. At least people selling their OVERGROW rather than DESTROYING it(ya right), usually have good weed cause they're growing it for themselves. Quit bitchin' people and light up some of that legal or illegal weed. I'll guarantee you'll feel better.


Agreed!!

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#1746165 - 06/23/12 12:33 PM Re: MMAR grams per day limits...? [Re: banty2]
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"The bigger the plant count, the better it is for everyone."

No, not necessarily.
If large ATPs and hence large plant counts lead to diversion which threatens the regulatory framework that allows for personal gardens, then that is not better for "everyone."

And if the regulations are altered such that small growers who followed the rules are turfed out, but people who broke the rules, diverted crops, etc. etc. are able to finagle their way into licenses under altered regulations, do you really think that's something that we should just get so stoned we cannot notice as a potential?

And if it is a potential, what can be done about it?

"Quit bitchin' people and light up some of that legal or illegal weed. I'll guarantee you'll feel better."

If the Marihuana Industry is to become legitimate, that attitude must be dropped---in mature deliberations, you do not tell someone to 'shut up and have a drink' nor 'shut up and have a toke' in order to avoid having to deal with his statements.

These are serious issues, especially how HC is conducting the negotiations. I don't give anything whether or not you think I am just under-dosed and bitchy. People who're diverting MMAR-licensed plants are at the very least contributing to the alteration of the MMAR---alteration that will likely have more impact on people who have reasonable personal licenses than it will on people who've inflated their grams per day in order to secure more plants, in order to divert. Anyone growing hundreds of plants right now is in a far better position to satisfy the new regulatory requirements than someone growing a few for authentic personal medicinal use.

Why should people who won't play by the rules be rewarded? That is practically dysgenic.
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#1746170 - 06/23/12 01:40 PM Re: MMAR grams per day limits...? [Re: cannagirl420]
PharOG Offline
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Originally Posted By: cannagirl420
Originally Posted By: PharOG
Originally Posted By: cannagirl420
Originally Posted By: PharOG

First you claim that DG's who grow for patients free of charge, and then turn around and sell extra on the street or to compassion clubs, and these people need to be "Warned about" and "Avoided" yet here we have someone by NAME who is KNOWS to do this... and you're siding WITH him in this debate...

The only thing I have ever warned people about is to avoid getting themselves caught up in an agreement with a designated grower to receive "free" weed in exchange for their licenses, ESPECIALLY if they don't know and trust the person.

I warn patients that if complete strangers are trying to convince you that they have your best interest in mind and that they are compassionate to your needs as a patient that they, the patient, should think long and hard about the motivation behind the "compassion" being offered before signing any documents.

I warn people about making sure they go into their deals with full disclosure and understanding the implications of the deals so they aren't left standing with their mouth wide open and asking why they just had their property forfeited under the "proceeds of crime" charges.


You're "Advice" on this subject has always been "These are the people patients need to avoid" up until my last post, now it's "Patients should be WELL informed before signing one of these DG's".

Come now, which is it? or are you one of those people who's belief changes when it suits them best.


Like I said I warn people about the agreements being made with the licenses because they are often getting into something they don't completely understand. If there is a warning about the people it would be toward people who don't really have your best interest in mind, they have their own needs in mind and the license is the way to them achieving their own goals.

There is no difference in what I have said.

Originally Posted By: PharOG
Do you tell your patients that dealing with your club is equally illegal? That they run the risk of being charged with fueling organized crime, that near the exact same implications can be made by them dealing with your club? Or is your club one of them ones that pretends to be sanctioned by Health Canada (Which would be complete BS, because NO club is sanctioned by Health Canada)

We make no false claims at our Dispensary about the legality of what we do, that is why we encourage everyone to register with Health Canada so that they as individuals are protected where we can't be. We do not have a license to distribute cannabis and have never claimed we did.

peace
cannagirl




That didn't answer my question as to if you inform them of the potential legal implications associated with conducting business with your dispensary. Not informing IMO is just as bad as flat out lying.

As for the other poinr, I'm sorry, you've stated that these DG's are the kind that people need to stay away from, your original argument might have been the same, in terms of the patient not fully understanding WHY their getting their meds for free, but your overall point originally was that they should be avoided.


Edited by PharOG (06/23/12 01:41 PM)
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#1746188 - 06/23/12 04:40 PM Re: MMAR grams per day limits...? [Re: PharOG]
Old2Soon Offline
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Registered: 01/17/11
Posts: 167
Loc: ON
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I would teach my feet to fly
I wish I had a river
I could skate away on
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#1746575 - 06/25/12 01:31 PM Re: MMAR grams per day limits...? [Re: Sir Robin the Fisherman]
Fog_Ducker Offline
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Registered: 01/26/12
Posts: 139
Loc: London, Ontario
Originally Posted By: Sir Robin the Fisherman

If the Marihuana Industry is to become legitimate, that attitude must be dropped---in mature deliberations, you do not tell someone to 'shut up and have a drink' nor 'shut up and have a toke' in order to avoid having to deal with his statements.


I understand what you are getting at, but how often do people say, "oh you're having a bad day, lets go for a drink." Why is drinking the socially acceptable thing to do for all kinds of situations, but not smoking??

Yes the fact that DG's sell their extra is probably the basis of the changes to the program, but you have to look at where the majority of that is going to, other license holders who cannot grow their own, through compassion clubs. Their other options are crappy HC garbage, or the street.

IMO there is nothing wrong with this, the sick people are still getting their medicine one way or another. Yeah it may be technically illegal, but its a better option than buying from the street.

Again, just in my opinion, if HC wants to put an end to this and have more control (ugh!) they should create some sort of structure where people who do not use their limit could sell it to them and then HC sell it to the people in need. But then that brings up all kinds of other problems, but its not inconceivable.

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#1746580 - 06/25/12 02:06 PM Re: MMAR grams per day limits...? [Re: Fog_Ducker]
Iam Offline
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Registered: 06/16/12
Posts: 35
Just end the designated grower part of the program. Viola! Problem solved. I agree and know of people who are on the 'free medicine' ride. They get their package and the first thing they do is start to sell 'only a bit' to 'help with money'...but it's already free - and now they are selling it to reap a pure profit. This is on top of the DG who is making large in most cases.

The DG program should be ended, period. It is the reason for the coming changes at all. HC should leave the medi/grower alone, I for one could not afford to buy my medicine if I had to and I know I am not alone.
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#1746599 - 06/25/12 04:06 PM Re: MMAR grams per day limits...? [Re: Iam]
CraZzySwaZzy Offline
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Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 20
Loc: Ontario, Canada

Heya'll

Just confirmed today with my tracking number that Health Canada recieved my MMAR Application Package. Let's see how long this will take.

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