Hey Harvey, your points are well said. However, the only thing I mentioned about your post was that it seemed complicated (not incorrect, just relatively more difficult). I then outlined what it is I do, for comparison's sake. As for taking cuttings from a flowering plant, my statement was to avoid this in the first place, thereby avoiding chances of problems, e.g. hermies.

My source was originally the Indoor Outdoor Grow Bible, to which I added my experimentation and asking the proper questions. Sorry if I came across as negative, that was not my intent. I'll try to be more diplomatic next time.

Cheers

I guess I was a little offended at the way you worded that in your post. I don't like when I put time and effort into a post, and then someone comes along and says they're going to have to undo my "damage", with their info that they don't even cite the source of. But it's not about arguing, or winning vs losing. I don't care if I win or lose a debate or discussion, that's not why I'm here. I'm to find the truth. I have no desire to argue pointlessly.

Back to the topic at hand though, I asked you if you had ever encountered hermies by taking clones into flowering, you haven't asnswered this, well, have you?

Does that book specifically mention this as a possibility?

Like I said, I have never seen this. Have you ever seen any plant hermie under 18/6 or 24/0, clone or veg? I haven't. I've only seen plants hermie under 12/12.

If you have not, why are you putting that idea out there, like it should be universally accepted as a truth and not questioned?

I think a lot of shit people put up online and even in books is to make everything more complicated than it really is, to dissuade people from growing, to keep the supply low, price up, type of shit.

It costs more and is more of a pain in the ass to keep mother plants, and there are people who would want us to believe this is necessary, when it's not. I had one of my best plants die randomly, yet I still have multiple clones growing from it currently, all taken 1 week in, just like I said.

You say your original source was a book, and then you experimented from there. But have you ever actually taken clones in flowering? My guess is no, you haven't, because otherwise you would have said that, and you didn't.

How much experimentation have you actually done?

well guys i have takin clones from budding plants and they turned out just fine. but they did take some time to go back to veg. and these ones that i did this with are in there 6th week of flowering now and nothing bad has happened. you guys can see these plants in my latest grow thread which is in the hydro threads. i will add more pics tonight
http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1744367#Post1744367

This statement smacks of hypocrisy Harv; your posts tend to come off exactly as you describe above. If you read my posts, I carefully write them (in most cases anyway) as suggestions, by using words such as 'may' or 'probably'; I never rarely use absolutes.



Now you're saying there is some sort of canna-conspiracy ?! This says a lot about your view of the world...



My source was probably the Indoor/Outdoor Medical grow....by Cervantes, really can't recall the exact origin atm. Does it matter ? My mantra is "Any unnecessary stress should be avoided", i.e. why introduce possible sources of potential problems ? No, I have not experimented with this particular process, although I do set up many different trials for what I consider to be more important issues. If I tested every growing parameter there would be no time to simply grow and harvest. As a thirty-year veteran of lab work, I know a little about experimentation...

Whether or not cloning from a flowering plant works was and in not my argument. My point has been the delay and chance of hermies is not worth it if an alternative exists, which clearly it does. I stand by my words.

Yeah, it is always a challenge to not come off a a hyprocrite when I say something "is a certain way" or "isn't a certain way" like it's the absolute truth myself. Thing is, I don't normally do that unless I know damn well, or from my own experimentation. I am trying to be less absolute (more lawyer-like, if you will, haha) in my more recent posts, because I simply don't want to put myself in that position anymore either.

Here's a link to my old cloning thread in the hydro section, you can check it out if you want. http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1687320#Post1687320 I haven't updated it in quite a while, but a lot of what I talked about is in there, taking clones into flowering, not cutting leaves, etc.

As far as my view of the world, it is basically just question everything. Question government, question money, question the federal reserve and global monetary policy, question wars, question companies profiting from both sides of a war, question terrorism, question global climate change. Question who benefits and who gets fucked. Question things like how the hell the U.S. can invade afghanistan and then it becomes the leading exporter of opium, 80% of the world's supply, when before 9/11, the U.S gave them 300 million in "anti drug aid". Question why the hell Bill Clinton backed the bombing of yugoslavia in '99, which has since been significantly taken over by ethnic albanians (muslims) who traffic that opium from afghanistan into the rest of europe.
After asking a million questions, taking some shrooms, and kicking back, thinking about all this shit, I can definitely see some patterns.

I try to apply the same type of questioning to the cannabis game, and my plants. Yeah, I do believe there is a lot of "holding back" if you will. I'm not saying here on CC, just in general. Look at what happened in CA with the last "legalize it" vote, for example. Growers know it is wrong for cannabis to be illegal, for people to go to jail and lose everything over this plant. Yet I watched this video talking about how in CA, a lot of growers didn't even support legalization the last vote, because they knew it would kill their profits! That is highly immoral, in my opinion.


Anyway, I'm getting really sick of pissing people off, and arguing with people, and getting pissed of myself. I don't want to bring negativity, and I don't want a bunch of people mad at me. All I want is to find the truth, and put that out there. I'm going to try to come across in a better way from now on, for sure. But what pisses me off about that is I know there are still other people who want to argue with me just to do it, just for the sake of arguing. And they don't give a fuck if what they're saying even stands up, they just want to knock me down, to "win".

The man saved MY bacon!

SHUT UP! and take notes! He knows the shinola on cloning

Lol. He's one of the posters in my old cloning thread that I linked to.

Cutting + clone gel + plug/soil + humidity + light = healthy clones