http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRbBu8nkjRk&feature=related

I just wanted to share this to dispel the rumor that FLIR cams don't work in the daytime, and to show the level of creepiness this thing allows.
Another thing, the people taking this aren't cops, so they don't need warrants, but they are doing it to help the cops.

yup seen it and that is bad its cops work or should be but evern thats been passed on to private firms who knows what that info or where it goes besides cops? been hard at work doing my roof out with kingspan n plasterboard with the silver side for vapour ! not ready yet n ive onley got a cupple lights lol if i had ten i would be too parra lol

Harvey, I saw this when you first posted it but didn't quite know how to respond. I can understand the power company having this equipment and it's intended purpose. What I don't understand is the misuse of this equipment and the passing of the data obtained.

I think I got this right. One buys kilowatts from the local power company to power industrial high-bay lights, which happen to be most excellent at growing things, but get very hot. Instead of using the equipment for the intended purpose, this becomes a joyride over Mister Rogers' Neighborhood, looking at heat signatures. I say joyride as I'm sure the employees get a kick out of it. One has paid to be busted.

Once heat is generated, you can't get rid of it. You can only hide it (for awhile), move it, and/or dilute it. Air conditioners move heat and some do it very efficiently... but they too generate heat and kilo-watts per hour are added. Fans and blowers move heat and help dilute it with ambient temperature air.

So what is left? More insulation? More tons of air conditioning and fans?

I guess the answer is all of the above... and not generating so much heat in the first place.

they fly during the day, simple answer, run lights at night.

I have seen other videos on youtube of police using IR cams at night. It's actually considerably easier for a grow op to be spotted operating at night, due to the increased heat contrast. That's why I started this thread by saying "I just wanted to share this to dispel the rumor that FLIR cams don't work in the daytime". I was amazed that the IR cam still saw the heat from inside coming through with all the heat from the sun coming down onto the roof at the same time. Imagine how much easier it would be to see that operating at night, without sunlight warming it up, those houses would be glowing like beacons.

So real world, how do you get around this? Well, I think every situation is probably different. As the guys said in that video, they already suspected the houses in that area. If you don't have a reason to be using an unusually large amount of power and you are, you're a suspect right away. I don't really know how this works, politically/financially. You'd figure if they were being paid good money by the growers, then by busting them, they're kind of shooting themselves in the foot, right?

It seems to me the business model for profit that's taking over is a merger of the private sector with government power. An example nearly everyone can relate to is tow companies and city contracts. A tow company places a bid, wins, pays the city, then the city starts calling them for tows. Next thing you know, you're getting your car towed for being 2 minutes late on a parking meter, and that private company is trying to extort you for $300 to get your car back. There are a lot of connections like that between businesses and government these days, it's spreading like a cancer. I don't know why exactly private power companies are snitching, but if the growers are still paying them, they must have some other financial reason to do it, or they wouldn't.

I think if growers steal power, they basically deserve to be caught. Bad karma.

I know police, and the DEA profit directly from drug busts, through asset forfeitures. According to some research I did a little while ago, most of the time when money and property is taken, the people aren't even charged with a crime, aka civil asset forfeiture. That is flat out, totally unconstitutional, and should be 100% illegal.

My point is that the governments have created a million incentives for them and other people to fuck us over. So I wouldn't think for a second that a power company wouldn't fuck us over if they could.


I would be curious to see the rooms inside the houses in that video. I'm betting they had hot lights, minimal insulation, high temps, etc. An attic or upstairs is a horrible choice vs a basement. If you insulate the concrete walls above and about a foot below the soil line with that thin foam board shit, cover/insulate the windows on the inside, insulate the ceiling, and dump the heat in an intelligent way, I don't think it would be visible at all.

As far as ways to dump heat, I'm still thinking about that myself. Geothermal, waste water down the drain, water across an ac condenser in a portable ac, hot air down into the sewer, I've heard a lot of ideas. I still think a mini split ac is the best though. Btw, I'm not trying to give any commercial growers advice here, obviously. I'm sure they know a hell of a lot more than I do about all of this shit. I'm just talking to the non rich guys trying to survive.

I have seen the city drive around with flir cameras before. And great post, Harvey.

The Netherlands - Police in the northeastern Achterhoek region revealed on Tuesday the success of using an unmanned miniature helicopter to track down the illegal cultivation of cannabis.

The first flight of a newly-designed mini helicopter, or canna-chopper, fitted with cameras and a sniffer on Tuesday morning had already led to the discovery of a cannabis drying shed and a plant cutting facility, said police spokesman Anton de Ronde.

The canna-chopper is fitted with apparatus that takes air samples out of ventilator shafts and chimneys. A dedicated gas analyser is able to recognise traces of weed smell in the air samples.

Designed and built by Dutch police engineers, the mini helicopter, which can stay airborne for a maximum of eight hours, is used to track down indoor cannabis plantations.

In an interview with De Volkskrant, Johan Warmerdam of the anti-marijuana plantation squad said cannabis plantation is a huge industry worth as much as EUR 2 billion where 80 percent of the marijuana is exported.

The helicopters are not breaking the law as samples can be taken without entering the building, stressed the police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8WHD2ohEK8

I believe we may have to meet this private banker/corporate run world government in the making with force at some point, if the economy doesn't collapse first, but in the meantime, this ridiculous cat and mouse game will continue. Have fun playing the game, and play to WIN!

I believe eventually they'll go to an all electronic currency, do some more terrorism as a pretense to bring even more police state crap, bring in more nanny state laws, more laws overall until we have to buy a permit for every thought in our heads, get permission from someone who does nothing to do anything, pay taxes on every breath we take, etc. But back to the money, I believe the thing they'll do that will start the real rebellion is take money out of people's accounts electronically, without any trial, etc. Huge fines for everything from alleged trafffic violations to not paying all your taxes.

I believe if that happens, it will create an underground currency, one backed by a tangible material thing that cannot be created out of nothing, and will be their own permanent undoing, since they will not be able to pay their military, police, etc, with their worthless unbacked money anymore. I believe only then will we have a chance at true freedom. It all starts with the money, and you can't have a free society with equal rights if part of the society gets to create money out of nothing while the rest of us have to work for it, to give it value.