"These bleeding hearts only see what they want and throw out shit like "its OUR rights", "what are you a communist?",or "well they have a right to live too". WRONG if a honest hard working person can't get a single penny to save his mortgage due to a community bred disease then why should a healthy young adult that is just PLAIN lazy, because the system has allowed him."



http://www.thecourt.ca/2009/07/08/the-wo...06-1-w-c-r-193/

Until the underlying "musical chairs" quality of employment in Canada is fixed, your quaint view is simply wrong. There's also a rational decision to be made. If someone is choosing between welfare and working 160 hours a month for only a bit more money than welfare, he'd be stupid to waste 160 hours of his time, to choose between Poverty Income A and Poverty Income B.

Further, it is a right to collect welfare. Your "work or starve if you're 'healthy'" attitude is barbaric--who are you to be so Marie Antoinette? You realize that without welfare people would starve worse than they already do, right? And I am talking nutrition, not calories, so we can avoid right-wing talking points re: fat people on welfare. So if they're healthy after that 90 days, without any money for food health will rapidly decline. What are you, some sort of retarded doper who think people eat sunshine?

"Look people our societies are in such an economical nightmares that between taxing cannabis sales and tightening up our welfare system, they could go along way in getting all of us out of the hole we are in."

Yes, I want to live in a dystopian right-wing society where there's legal dope and people are kicked off welfare after 90 days. Our societies are in an economical nightmare because old people like you are clearly incapable of rational thought---everything has an expiry date; the brain's is probably thirty years after birth.

"f a man with a mortgage and bills and a family to support with cancer doesn't qualify"

Welfare is not to pay a mortgage or bills. It is to provide the necessities of life. Debt is not a necessity of life. Sorry, you were an irresponsible worker and now you are an embittered old man who wants to take it out on the welfare crowd---like lots of Americans these days, incidentally.

You, like Icarus, attempted to fly too high (contracted too much debt) and got burned. Rather than "nobody's fault but mine," there must be some poor people for you to blame, right? People get cancer. You should have been more responsible. Or is personal responsibility one of those things that only applies to the poor, not you?

bcuz i lived in an area that was mostly inhabited by white ppl (less than 5% black ppl) those white trash fuckers traded food stamps for cigarettes or dope all the damn time. pretty sure it happens the same way in other places too go live in the shittiest part of ur state for a few months like i said u prbly will b sick of govt handouts too. ever worked with someone who cant have to many hours bcuz of section 8? they give ppl with no life skills and most of the time SERIOUS drug problems free money every month is thr any incentive to better ur life? NO! seems like if ur PO can just stop by and demand u piss whenever they feel like it ur social worker should have the same right. anybody who cant pee clean should never ever be eligible for another dime in thr life.

like i said before if u dont want the govt doing that to you then pull ur head out of ur ass quit tweeking and go get a job.sucks for all the weed smokers but lifes a bitch deal with it

Some states don't even have welfare anymore. And I have never met a drug dealer that would trade for food stamps.

I also wonder how this program would work for MMJ card carriers. Would they be allowed to smoke? Or if you are poor, injured, or disabled would you lose your right to MJ as a medicine?

california is not one of them they give cashaid and food stamps to just about anybody. u can take the card and get money out of most atms and if u share the pin with anybody they can use our food stamp card no problem. disability is not the same you have to prove you are disabled

This is what Im talking about...totally riduclous statement. Maybe all of us should go on welfare then...but...wait....who would pay?



Retarded doper? Have you read your position? Sadly that is the problem..No one has the right to anything, your living in a dream world if ya think that. I have been able to keep a roof over my head while probabaly helping pay for yours, so don't talk to me about rights. FUCK them if they can't be a productive part of society. let em starve, use em for target practice, make them sell their organs I DON'T CARE.



Hey Fucktard! Thats what the system was orignally set up for, not for herion addicts. Sorry I was a responsible citizen that got sick. One twisted view for sure?

Fly to high hey? I work hard for what I have and when Im sick its my fault?? But when a deadbeat wants money for herion and is not willing to make an effort...Fuck off

This will only open the door for worse things. Are you prepared to be drug tested for every corporate and government interaction?

Ok, how about this.

1. Prove to me that this will not be abused by government.

2. Prove to me that this is a good use of taxpayer money.

3. Prove to me that this is actually going to catch people abusing the system.

4. Prove to me this will not lead to more loss of privacy.

5. Prove to me that you will not regret supporting it.

I'm a very conservative person politically. If a state allows for welfare payments, on the condition that the person is unemployable, then why should their rights be any different than any other person? Congress gets paid Government wages, and are 100% never going to be piss tested, supreme court upheld their rights to be inviolate in their person. Why should a person down on their luck be any different, than a person whose entire livelihood depends upon the government check, AND they end up millionaires at the end of the day. If ANY government EMPLOYEEs are exempt from piss testing(as are all elected officials) , then everyone getting a Federal Check should also have inviolate rights. We don't live in an ELITE society.

"This is what Im talking about...totally riduclous statement. Maybe all of us should go on welfare then...but...wait....who would pay?"

Well, luckily there are plenty of people who enjoy high-rolling, flying high. I mean, are you suggesting the Government doesn't pay enough to have an adequate quality of life? I mean, that means the rates aren't _high enough_, let alone too high. Working depletes natural resources and gives you a larger income, so you can deplete them faster. You'll also generate income for other companies incidentally, allowing them to generate more debt, employ more people, despoil more nature. It depends on what one values.

"No one has the right to anything, your living in a dream world if ya think that."

OK, then you don't have the right to any marihuana, and prohibition is just fine.

"FUCK them if they can't be a productive part of society. let em starve, use em for target practice, make them sell their organs I DON'T CARE."

That is just it, you don't care. Where's the love?

"Hey Fucktard! Thats what the system was orignally set up for, not for herion addicts. Sorry I was a responsible citizen that got sick. One twisted view for sure?"

No it was not. It is and always has been a labor-extraction device. For a time you were riding high, collecting the legal tender enabled by that labor-extraction machine. Then, not so much. Buying debt is _very_ expensive.

Anyway, as far as I am aware modern science/medicine views heroin addiction as a wholly medical problem, not a moral failing, and as far as I am aware most research indicates that most people won't starve to death in an urban setting---they'll eat just enough to survive, irrationally, stealing car stereos to buy more junk. Or something like that. It ends up being better for all parties to give them junk, a place to live and enough for healthy food. And if you think that is going to inspire many people to become junkies, well, great.

Jobless Junkies have a lower carbon footprint than workers. Go Green---stop working!

You already said working is a chump gig. Make up your mind.

I agree O my senerio would make the situation worse for sure, for awhile then the whole thing would turn around. Yes it may take a few thousand or hundred thousand to be displaced, sadly thats life, we all have hardships to deal with, if they would have looked after themselves instead of letting everyone do it for them they would not be in the position they are in. It might take a few thousand falling over dead in the streets to make the rest realize they need to get into the game like the rest of us. There is no more handouts. Actually as bad as it sounds our global society needs a population break and why should a world community have this dead weight dragging it all down. Its not like we can stop the world from turning and ask them to leave.

The social assistance programs set up back in the 20's was set up for a country in hardship and it pulled both countries out of that mess. Now a days it should be used for the same purpose but instead the majority of the funding is wasted on people that do not deserve it while the others that do get short changed and/or go without.

Your right sticky, if one gets tested, all should be tested there should not be a double standard. Correct again on the unemployable thing, these are the people being hurt the most by the mis-use of the funds.

Testing may not be the best alternative, the belt needs to be tightened quite a few loops. A ward of the state has no rights why should someone physically/mentally able that takes money from the handicapp be any different? I heard a story on the news about a handicapped girl that had her I-pad stolen and everyone was appauled and the whole city was put on alert till they found these hoods thet prayed on this poor girl. It happens every day when a useless excuse of skin take money from the system that should have gone to someone that is in real need.