"If marijuana is the Tree of Life, there are millions of people all over the world who partake and still die (in fact, 100 out of 100 do) for various reasons. Why were Adam and Eve expelled from the Garden, which contained the Tree of Life, so that they couldn't eat it, yet it is widely available these days all over the world?"

"the TOL = pot connection is only made when 1 is partaking in the latter

it's a ludicrous position that contradicts the Bible as the previous poster just explained (Gen. 3:23-24)"

" I was wanted to see what kind of biblical/historical/etc. arguments can be given. Which I believe is zero"


"This is about as ludicrous as it gets. From the "consciousness expansion" properties of THC, a better case could be made that cannabis is the "tree of knowledge"."




Why don't you guys get back to a sound theology that is actually believable? This stuff just gets the religious argument for pot law reform dismissed before it's even weighed. No Bible believing Christian is gonna believe this stuff, it simply isn't true.

Here, this is what Evangelical theology says, I've got solid apologetics from the Christian church to substantiate it:


There is a certain contrasting quality between judgments within the world view of the proponents of the war on cannabis and Christian theology.
The "everything is toxic" philosophy embraced by the ONDCP toxicologists and controlling offices such as the FDA and DEA is the exact opposite of sound Christian theology [1,2], and the corollary truths built upon it are not Biblically founded, and can be proven to be Biblically incorrect. -And if it's not Theologically true, if it's not true in the Bible, than it isn't true at all [3].
No Bible believing Christian can accept any "toxicology" studies or reports from the ONDCP in good conscience, when they consider the axioms that were used to build their studies. Do Christians adhere to "scientific" theories about big bang and evolution? No, and we can also reject the observations of the ONDCP about cannabis on similar grounds when all things are considered in a clear systematic theology. One must "Test The Evidences" that come from outside Scripture.
Scripture, tradition, and reason imply that all things are good, and that substance (such as foods and drinks) only becomes toxic in it's misuse, that is, in the uses that are not in order with the purposes God created them [4]. The Scripture's warnings against these philosophies are traditionally viewed as warnings about the Gnostics of the second century. It was a blending of Jewish, Greek, or Eastern philosophy with Christianity. These Gnostic errors are widespread, they appear century after century, and shows itself in many forms of religion, not merely in distorted forms of Christianity. In life application today, we can see that same Gnostic germ resurface in our society in the influence of modernism and postmodernism.
The war against cannabis is a frightening illustration, in that it is successful in stifling Evangelism within the local Church, and not many Leaders recognize what's going on, despite the fact that it devastates the lives of millions in perdition. This ascetic teaching is unnatural, contrary to the constitution of the world as that has been arranged by a holy and wise Creator, and it is also subversive of Christian liberty. Nothing can be esteemed common or unclean without throwing a reproach upon the Creator. [5] To further discover the long term consequences of these unnatural teachings, we can observe the characterizations and acts employed in the war on pot have a resemblance to the warnings in Scripture regarding the signs of false teachers (which are directly linked to signs of the coming Rapture of Christ's church). The war on cannabis shares at least 2 key qualities as the Gnostics. In the presence of the negative implications of statements such as "there is no way to teach this to you in a brief, " and, "everything is toxic, there is no harmless substances. ", the Christian should be reminded that encouraging formalism and asceticism as the result of false teaching is traditionally known as the activities of demons [6]; and the acknowledgment of liberty of conscience in a free moral agent is the formation of evangelical theology- for this very reason the Reformers left the Roman Catholic Church! [7]. The binge drinking phenomena we see in the just say no generation, as well as the licentious rebellion in the 60's, is evidences of the "fleshly indulgence", or antinomian development that results from these ascetic teachings. [8,9,10]

To summarize; The Christian world view and the ONDCP world view can be sharply contrasted. In the ONDCP world view, the Truth is "everything is toxic" and application is "just say no". In the Christian world view, the Truth is "God's creation is good" and application is "be ye sober". The Scripture provides us a sharper, more accurate understanding and response to the subjects of cannabis use in society than the secular drug use prevention community. And as Biblical passages are weighed and discovered as this more accurate Truth, it should bear witness that the Gospel message of Jesus Christ is Truth. We should lend thought to this greater spiritual Truth for which the Bible is compiled as evidence of; That Christ made atonement covering and salvation for our souls. "For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world, but that he world through him might be saved. God publicly displayed him as the mercy seat accessible through faith, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, but by grace are you saved through faith, and it's not of yourselves, it is a gift from God. For whosoever believes in Him will not perish. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

I'm pretty sure that while weed is amazingly good it's not the "TREE OF LIFE".

I signed up for an account but it was deleted within a couple days. I didn't even make any posts

I might try it again and actually post something before they delete me

The ' Chris Diaz ' thread looks like it could be fun

hey, speaking of Chris, we've got a love offering going now. We've raised 500 bucks, and we need another 500 to hire this NORML associated attorney to review his case, and see if he'd win if he gets a new trial.
That would answer a lot of questions about which way to go. If we can't win, we petition for parole. If we can win, we go for it.

but we need another 500 bucks for the lawyer.
you can donate here
https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr...a5540fd44243d03

His mom is the one holding the money and arranging the attorney payment.

Even just a few bucks helps. If you've got any spare change in your bank account, donate it to Chris. Seriously, this kid was threatened with 99 years over a piece of pot, and him and his whole family are desperate for help. We need to rally behind him and conduct a rescue operation... bust him outa jail!

You can also write him letters, if you're like me and broke and can only send 50 bucks but still want to do more, and try to keep his spirits lifted up. They have to be addressed like this:

Diaz, Christopher # 01777617
J. Middleton Unit
13055 FM 3255
Abilene, Texas 79601

you can also set up a JPAY account and send him an email for 40 cents.

And the most important thing for broke people that want to help is letters to the parole board encouraging his release. Their address is here:
Support letters are placed in an offender's case file and are available to the parole panel during the parole review process.

Q: What kind of information do I include in a support letter and where do I send it?

A: Include information that demonstrates to the parole panel that an offender has a support system in place upon release. Letters may include information regarding employment/potential employment, residence, transportation, available treatment programs (as applicable), or other information the writer feels would be helpful to the parole panel in making their decision. Be sure to include the offender's name and TDCJ number:

DIAZ, CHRISTOPHER # 01777617
Send letters to:
Amarillo IPO (Institutional Parole Officer)
Catherine Presnall, Assistant Regional Supervisor
5809 S. Western, Ste. 130
Amarillo, TX 79110
Phone: (806) 352-9500
Fax: (806) 467-1348

Thank You for Your Support (letters)
Love and Peace









on the Bible.org website, there's a 98 year old lady that plays the pipe organ on Sundays that moderates the forum. She probably thought your login name was satanic or something.

but if you can stay in the arena of Christian theology, you might last 8 seconds, who knows unless you try, right?

"As a believer in Christ, I can have nothing to do with any prohibition law; I am under a strict law of love that prevents me from doing what might hurt another."

( Dr. Donald Grey Barnhouse, Romans commentary book 4,"Christian Liberty")

I thought maybe the people that run the site have some sort of prejudice against Universalist - Nazarenes. I was a bit put off by the registration form asking "Faith", "Ecclesiology/Denomination", and "Church" ... i had a hard time figuring out what to select because "Gitchegumeeist" isn't on the list. Also, I didn't even list Hell, MI as my location.

I'm going to try to sign up again once I figure out exactly what I want to post. I would much rather talk philosophy and logic rather than theology ... however, I did read through there rules and what not and have no problem going along with them. I will use one of my more churchy/religious email addresses next time I sign up. Plus, i'm thinking about taking a pic of myself with my Bible quiz trophies and use that for my profile pic on there

You should present whatever questions about Christianity that you have on their forums. Just to see what kind of responses you get. Who knows, they might have an answer for you.

I am ashamed that none of my Christian Brothers will remember Christ as though they were bound with him. But I am honored that I'm a Christian, and I can and will remember Chris as though I were bound with him.