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#1739046 - 04/09/12 09:42 AM Re: My Hash/Concentrate Gallery (2012) [Re: EastCoastDNA]
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Originally Posted By: EastCoastDNA
The 3x butane you have passes the old residue test? All the 3x butane i have tried either had far to many ppm additives for my liking.Colibri isn't terrible but IMHO 5x butane is worth it and makes a difference. I would rather spend the extra money than risk exposure to pollutant's even if there is no difference upon visual examination.


i live in CA and have sent oils made with both kinds to the labs never had an issue

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#1739057 - 04/09/12 11:35 AM Re: My Hash/Concentrate Gallery (2012) [Re: Big Lungs]
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Im not doubting that you can make nice clean oil with 3x,i have had some 3x refined stuff leave a gross residue that nobody in there right mind would ever smoke. In my area 5x refined is also much more available.I purchase 5x refined stuff also as quality doesn't vary as much, and i have never had the horrible residue/taste problem with any 5x refined brand.

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#1739115 - 04/09/12 06:13 PM Re: My Hash/Concentrate Gallery (2012) [Re: EastCoastDNA]
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the only 3x i have used is king and that is only if they r out of 5x

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#1743210 - 05/18/12 07:00 AM Re: My Hash/Concentrate Gallery (2012) [Re: Big Lungs]
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what is your process for getting the really pliable almost powdered hash from bho? some guys are even making white shit!

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#1743321 - 05/19/12 11:24 AM Re: My Hash/Concentrate Gallery (2012) [Re: smokedog420]
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Originally Posted By: smokedog420
what is your process for getting the really pliable almost powdered hash from bho? some guys are even making white shit!


use better starting material

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#1743394 - 05/20/12 03:26 PM Re: My Hash/Concentrate Gallery (2012) [Re: smokedog420]
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they are blasting into water, dry well to avoid mold/mildew
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#1743563 - 05/23/12 05:27 PM Re: My Hash/Concentrate Gallery (2012) [Re: smokedog420]
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Originally Posted By: smokedog420
what is your process for getting the really pliable almost powdered hash from bho? some guys are even making white shit!

No method is available for the way my stuff is processed, its a scientific method.There is no cook for x amount of time with x amount of heat.In my case ill give some tips that in my experiences make it more pliable.
1.Speed
2.Heat
3.Water content
4.The biggest tip to make it pliable is it all has to do with surface area,ill let you figure it out from there.(No one came to me and said here's the pot of gold..The best stuff is made with an all natural heat source,as in it never touches the stove/oven, that i can confirm smile.

No offense but i can make pure gold with old stale leaves so starting material isn't everything.....

And for those with a bit of a background read up on this and you'll understand what makes it pliable enough so you can leave prints on it, i have made stuff so pliable they could lift your prints rite from the stuff lol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpene

(The first pics are of older stuff, the newer stuff all comes out the same...pliable like putty. I used to use a different process before i came across this one....)

From wiki:
Quote:
in its pure form, it(THC) is a glassy solid when cold, and becomes viscous and sticky if warmed.

So i can guarantee you this, the pliable part of it is not from the thc if you catch my drift smile.


Final tip (NEVER EVER USE A VAC THERE GARBAGE...YOUR STUFF EVAPORATES,IM NOT ABLE TO DISCUSS WHY ATM BUT THE THE PLIABLE PART LITERALLY IS GONE AFTER A VAC OR TWO.ANY ONE THAT'S SMOKED PLIABLE STUFF KNOWS THE TRUE PECKING ORDER) & Look into Essential oils smile thats were the bho process was lifted from in the first place....
Via WIKI
Quote:
Solvent extraction
Most flowers contain too little volatile oil to undergo expression and their chemical components are too delicate and easily denatured by the high heat used in steam distillation. Instead, a solvent such as hexane or supercritical carbon dioxide is used to extract the oils. Extracts from hexane and other hydrophobic solvent are called concretes, which are a mixture of essential oil, waxes, resins, and other lipophilic (oil soluble) plant material.

Although highly fragrant, concretes contain large quantities of nonfragrant waxes and resins. Often, another solvent, such as ethyl alcohol, which is more polar in nature, is used to extract the fragrant oil from the concrete. The alcohol is removed by evaporation, leaving behind the absolute.

Supercritical carbon dioxide is used as a solvent in supercritical fluid extraction. This method has many benefits including avoiding petrochemical residues in the product and the loss of some "top notes" when steam distillation is used. It does not yield an absolute directly. The supercritical carbon dioxide will extract both the waxes and the essential oils that make up the concrete. Subsequent processing with liquid carbon dioxide, achieved in the same extractor by merely lowering the extraction temperature, will separate the waxes from the essential oils. This lower temperature process prevents the decomposition and denaturing of compounds. When the extraction is complete, the pressure is reduced to ambient and the carbon dioxide reverts to a gas, leaving no residue. An animated presentation describing the process is available for viewing.

Supercritical carbon dioxide is also used for making decaffeinated coffee. Although it uses the same basic principles, it is a different process because of the difference in scale.


The Budderking(Aka:Marc Emery) was not waving around a tube or following some crackpot on youtube,there was an underlining scientific basis to creating the world famous "Budder".True budder is the work of a master not an impostor, you cant just try to replicate some fools process who doesn't know how to make the shit in the first place.Base your methods on science and not youtube videos and you will go very far smile.

And im not an all knowing being but i HAVE talked to MANY people high up in industry and many longtime concentrate users and they all say the same thing:
No matter who makes it,or how, the pliable stuff is the strongest by weight, the easiest to manage, and the way its SUPPOSED to be made. All this shatter is bullshit, not trying to offend anyone but its true.....


Edited by EastCoastDNA (05/23/12 07:07 PM)

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#1743602 - 05/24/12 01:34 PM Re: My Hash/Concentrate Gallery (2012) [Re: EastCoastDNA]
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Out of the want to see others make beautiful putty i will be posting a couple of the key pieces needed.Abuse/commercialize this process and this is the only piece you will ever get. Marijuana parts have oils in them, in a similar way your skin has oils.Im not posting a complete method but i will tell you all the key step.
Your stove gets to hot and the goodies boil out...its not rocket science. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_flower_essential_oil
Look up the temps all that shit evaps at...diffrent strains have different ratios of terps that's why i say there is no cook for x amount of time with x amount of heat...

I have done my research, and this is the ONLY answer smile.Why do you all think honeycomb comes dry and stiff.....Its just a matter of using scientific data and shaping a process around it.Also throw that vac away. You will never be using it again smile.

I found this out by looking at various papers published by university's about the composition of the plant material.Everything from tops,leaves,stems ect.Then i took this data and plugged in some basic knowledge (As anyone else can) that is available, looked into the property's of the components and then based my methods around that.Also you have to run some experiments as it may take a couple of trys to figure out wtf is actually going on.This is why your oil gets more and more pliable every time you make it. You understand the science behind it more every time you see the cause and effect of your work.If you don't care about terps use your vacs, but the product is of inferior quality.

Why most wont realize this on their own:
You have no idea what your boiling off unless you look into it the components of marijuana.If you don't know/think to check the components/whats soluble in butane/what temp it boils off at, your NEVER ever going to make your process "better". Most follow idiots on youtube.They know that they have seen people shoot it into a tube and after 45 min they think they get "budder" or earwax.People think its the thc dissipating at low heat settings...they are VERY mistaken.Look into the science behind it (Freely Available) and im sure you will all be creating wonderful putty smile.
Im not bashing anyone, but 99.99% of concentrate makers follow a recipe instead of letting the science behind it take over. I have dabbed/blazed everything from budder to bho to shatter to wax and im going to guarantee you one thing. The pliable stuff (with the terps and the other Cannabinoids not evaporating into thin air) make for the best tasting/strongest concentrate that's not harsh (at all EVER). Look into what a vac actually does and what temps terps/Cannabinoids boil off at and you will see there is clearly a BIG problem.


Edited by EastCoastDNA (05/24/12 01:56 PM)

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