First of all Flogger...I have not done a single positive thing in this thread? Thats your point of view. If I can show one new person that the info given in this thread IS BIAS then I have done what I came to do. I want people to leave here with SOLID information. This is not. Too much info in the wrong hands does no good.

And what do you mean my "patients"?? Come on floger are you really that daft? I dont think so, get your head out of daddys ass and re-read before you post. This statement was meant to state that I do not have to worry about a BUDGET so my system and costs are irrelivant because my costs are covered. Costs and budget have become nothing in my world, its all about quality and clean now. Thats was my point, I am a lucky one, 99.9 percent of the people that come here aren't!

You said... "I mean seriously, if I grow some and sold enuf to cover the power bill, doesn't mean I grew it without cost. Just that I grew enuf to COVER the overhead." ??? What are you trying to say? As long as costs are covered everything is good? People come here for information on how to grow, most likely driven by money. This statement really shows your age, you have no money sense.

Also said " get over you contradictory self and your so called 20 years in the pot "industry"...if growing pot makes one a part of the industry, well shoot, in 3 years I guess I'll be as good as you are now...in the industry. Whatever dude..."

I contradicted myself? Really? This whole thread is a contradictive and misleading, I am not the one telling people about this marvel of lighting called CFL's and then get bent out of shape when someone calls you on it!

State facts and enlighten people and they will make the right choices "for them" Give crap info, get crap back.

I have NEVER said that CFL grows don't produce some really dank shite and believe it can be the BEST choice for some people. Telling people that it is a really cost effective way to produce is total bullshit and everyone here knows it! Dollar for dollar it is prolly the most expensive method. I don't see that anywhere in this thread??? how come???

People like Doobie Brother understand the process and has done enough research to the point that he understands that for his situation this is the best set up for him. LOOK at what he can produce! NEWB's come here foer the research DB has done and mis-leading threads like this just make it harder on people.

People come to CC for help, threads like this DON'T help anyone but the person's ego.

I had a lot of respect for ya floger, I might have come across a little harsh last time we went into this but this shows you are as arrogant as your Pop's

Stop listening to Pop spin his wheels on how great his set up is and do your own research. Get your facts straight and do not manipulate the info to your needs. If you manipulate your needs to the info you really would get a lot more out of it.

Just like my kid! DUMBASS!

CFL'S will produce some very nice dank product. If you are starting small or have little money to spend on equipement than this is a great way. I have grown some really nice bud under floro's(all the same in my books). If you are looking effiecency and a way to produce the max yeild, which all of us want, and have a little cash for set up it is well worth the initial cost. They will be recoupped over time by a better gram per watt.

There are many happy grower using floro's only, it comes down to your situation and what best suits you.

Short, concise, and NOT bias.

Good luck.

LMAO. You're funny.

You are a moron Sir Ganja.
You have done nothing more than disagree with evrything my dad or myself have posted in this thread.
We aren't hyping up this grow set up. Just a grow show. You brought any and all negativity to this thread.

HD....This is my last comment on this sorry thread. Its to bad you feel so ABUSED. Its really is a sorry site that you can not see the forest for the trees. Your selling a product under false pretences.

You said... "Oops, I misunderstood. It was your post but I thought you were swapping out the two for one, not doubling up, but you have made my point about the ancillary equipment cost required to operate those HIDs even though you feel the five-hundred a month "really does not play a role here"."

I produce 3 lbs. a week, thats 12 lbs a month so you don't be confused. still waiten on your grams per watt?...still waiting...I call BULLSHIT! If you do not know what you produce, why are you on here saying it's preeety nice? How do you know??? A grower in tune with his system has this knowledge readily available.

The reason you are so long winded with your thread is to make yourself look better so others might believe the crap on the page. This only works for new people that have no background and are needing guidence.

Your threads help no one but your EGO

Again you said... "About ninety nine percent of the comments on this thread were favorable. Yours were not, and where as people on other threads can (according to you) grow some decent weed using CFLs, I cannot. You say “I have issues following you posts… A lot of us understand what you are saying and its GREAT that this method works well for you.”"

This is the problem, I have legit questions and challange your statements and I become the one percent. Sorry I know what I know and have questions when your bullshit meter goes off!

Then you go on to say..."So why can I not share without you constant criticism? I feel as if you are stalking me. If you wish to do the CFL vs. HID thing, start your own thread, I’ll post, but as far as this thread goes, step off."

Why? you ask why after all my good remarks about cfl grows? Because I truly believe they can be the right choice for some people. Your critisim come from the way you twist facts and make long winded statements that have no bearing to the real world. Reasearch doesn't mean much if you only use and agree with the parts you want.

Too much info for someone just trying to help, your either the energizer bunny or an engineer.

You sound just like all the other engineer's I have dealt with, on paper it all works but in the real world they really have no clue.

In closing... Im glad your happy with your grow but stop selling bullshit here, people come to get straight facts not twisted views.

If you can't do that...keep your crap off this site because your noy helping anyone!

THIS THREAD AND ALL INFORMATION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BY ALL AS:


Done being nice!


STILL WAITIN............................................?

Weigh in folks. Please read the whole thread and tell me what you think. I think this ranting is unnecessary, but the ranter keeps on ranting. LMFAO.

Seriously folks, We're not here to call anyone names or debate the CFL vs. HPS thingy, just answer questions and comments about MY grow. As far as I'm concerned, this whole page nine of this thread is wasted space so far. I mean, look at the title "CFL gro (perrrty nice)". Is this what you come here to read? These are not the comments I wish to reply to and yet I must as they keep on coming. Let me know what you think (not you Ganga, I already know your position).

Okay, I've stopped laughing, now it's more like a giggle.

Hey, I tried to put up some good info! Lol

That was a low blow Ganga, to say "The reason you are so long winded with your thread is to make yourself look better so others might believe the crap on the page. This only works for new people that have no background and are needing guidence." (Isn't that spelled guidance?)

Until now, I have kept MY medical condition to my self but I feel I must reveal it now as you have made the statement "The reason you are so long winded with your thread is to make yourself look better so others might believe the crap on the page."

I have been riding My 1952 HD for forty one years. During that time, I have had many a run-in with automobiles resulting in several concussions. During the early eighties I developed Temporal Lobe Epilepsy and have been on medications to control my seizures. Due to this form of epilepsy I developed Geschwind Syndrome (look it up, as this is the reason I am compelled to write so much) and now have been told that I've developed Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy. CTE is a progressive degenerative disease, diagnosed post-mortem in individuals with a history of multiple concussions and other forms of head injury.
CTE ends in dementia, so I have something to look forward to.

I do not want sympathy, just to be left alone to "dribble" on my keyboard about topics I enjoy writing about. You think I'm long winded here, you should read my blog or some of the other forums that I participate in.

I have been a consumer for forty three years and have grown for forty of those years, mostly outdoors where nature did all of the work. Several years ago, I moved my grow indoors using two one hundred fifty watt HPSs and transitioned from dirt to hydro. Then I switched to a four hundred watt HPS.

When I became permanently disabled and began living on a fixed income, I had to cut down on expenses so I began experimenting with other light sources for reasons already stated. I found something that worked well for me and gave me what I needed. My son and I had many discussions over the years and he fought me all the way claiming a thousand watt HPS was the way to go. But in December of last year, after he shared some of my product from my new CFL grow, he was so impressed that he started this thread. I joined CC in order to discuss MY grow with anyone with questions or comments.

I have had trouble with Ganga from the beginning, so I got off for a while and tried to talk to Ganga thru private messages. When I felt we had agreed to disagree, I got back on and started posting again. I now realize that the private messages from Ganga were just lies and he has started spewing his "crap" again.

Now, I find these rants amusing as I keep getting hit from behind by this same dead horse.

Oops, here comes another one... and look how it starts "This is my last comment on this sorry thread" Let's all hope he's being honest this time and keeps his word (but I doubt it) And look at the pretty picture of a can of Spam.

Like I said you're funny.

Are ya having fun yet Harvey? I'm glad you're LOL, as I am also.

Oops I almost forgot:

CAUTION: I have been told by God Ganga that I “should let people know that if (they’re) trying to grow on a budget (that) there (are) more effective ways.” You’ve been warned.

1952HD, I know I keep going back and forth between your threads here, but I should have been more clear about WHY I brought up what I said about the inverse square law. You are correct in saying that it is applicable to your setup, 100%. What I was trying to get at though, was the relevance to comparison. With an HID setup, with proper light reflection designed into it from the start, (reflectors on top, reflector walls on the sides, etc) that law does not directly apply. Which of course alters the comparison of the 2 lighting methods, HIDs and CFLS, negating to a significant degree the advantage of CFLs' ability to be placed so close to the plants. Based on what I currently know, I believe the high end MHs, with proper reflector setup, are the winner, especially as far as quality.

However, I'm not saying anything negative about your setup. We all know this shit costs, and if you can pull it off with the CFLs, more power to you. I think if you stay in the game, over time you'll end up experimenting with different lights, reflectors, air pumps, aeration methods, containers, maybe aero/nft, air conditioners, cloning methods, nutrients, co2, etc, etc. I went from a few soil buckets with hanging CFLs in a little closet to hempys to a homebuilt, chilled aero/nft, now I'm using pond aeration pumps and aeration tubing in 60 gal DWC tubs, with reflector walls and 600w sun pulse halides in a purpose built sealed room with co2. I'll never go large scale commercial though, it's quality over quantity with me.

Speaking of quality, you asked about UV, reptile lights can produce UVB, maybe you could look into that. Tanning beds mostly produce UVA, which is worthless to your skin and to cannabis. LEDs with UVB, I haven't looked into that in over a year. I know some high end aquarium metal halides produce into the UVB spectrum, and could be better than my sun pulses. HPS bulbs produce no UV, even the modified spectrum ones still don't, as far as I know.