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#1692351 - 03/28/11 08:21 PM Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism [Re: onegreenday]
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as i understand it, the enemy within is a basic xenophobic reaction to the perceived danger of difference in our midst...i think almost everyone has this tendency to some extent, but it's stronger in groups/populations that are under real threats, or at least made to feel that they are under threat

some of the potsmokers i have met worry about new potsmokers in their company, and go as far as asking the newcomers if they are narcs...it's a question i have been asked several times...i can understand their fear, especially if they have been busted before

both jews and palestinians have valid reasons to fear the enemy within - each group has been the repeated victim of violence from the other

however:
not everyone who serves in the IDF, or the US military, or the canadian military is an enemy within...not by a long shot...besides, i think the IDF is an army of conscripts so everyone is obligated to serve by law, unless they belong to the 30% of eligible conscripts who find a way to avoid service:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-nearly-28-of-israeli-males-avoided-conscription-in-2007-1.232645

i would not back canada in a conflict against israel either - does that make me an enemy within? i also did not back canada in it's wars against afghanistan and libya...but that doesn't stop me from buying canadian soldiers a drink or a meal, and telling them that i couldn't do what they do (i live near a military base)...they are not the enemy

if i lived in iraq, and my family was killed by american bombs, i might grab a gun and try to kill american soldiers...if i lived in gaza, and the IDF bulldozed my house, i might seek revenge against israel's government...and if i lived in israel, and had to live under the constant threat of pali rocket attacks for years, i would probably state my support for a military retaliation in an opinion poll, or even join the IDF to protect my people

none of those imaginary me's are beasts...there are monsters out there for sure, but not everyone in the IDF or the 90% of people who support the IDF missions are beasts...like you, the vast majority of those people are absolutely certain of their moral rectitude, and it's a crying shame when their hate consumes them and drives them to do monsterous things



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#1692366 - 03/29/11 12:41 AM Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism [Re: slartibartfast]
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Once again Slarti comes up with the crushing grip of reason tempered with a liberal slice of humanity.

It's a pleasure watching you make arguments, Slarti!
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#1692367 - 03/29/11 12:42 AM Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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Oh yes ... Slarti, you should check out the herb museum website:

herbmuseum.ca

I would love to know your opinion of it.
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#1692401 - 03/29/11 07:08 AM Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism [Re: onegreenday]
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Sorry I can't reply personally till I finish my
taxes. I've spent too much time here already.

Here's the theme though for you:

Feeling the Hate in Jerusalem 12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQHxFEId47I

warning: extensive profanity

I keep posting this and YouTube keeps taking it down, claiming either a complaint by an unidentified person in the video or that it depicts banned "hate speech". YouTube deleted my account so I opened another one. They froze that one so this is the third.

BANNED by YouTube! BANNED by Vimeo! BANNED by Veoh! SEE for yourself the video that's TOO CONTROVERSIAL FOR THE INTERNET!!! GAPE in STUNNED AMAZEMENT as belligerent Jewish trust fund babies talk some seriously unhinged and borderline felonious trash! GASP in INCREDULITY at the Bushian depths of their ignorant, frothing, all consuming and downright irritating HATRED! GAG at the unbelievable sense of entitlement! WITNESS the looming, incoherently babbling future of armed and affluent American/Israeli Zionism!

Yet another copy of Max Blumenthal's persistently banned video of god's chosen ignorant punks. There were 400,000 hits on the original and a number of videos commenting on it, but YouTube, Vimeo, Veoh, and Huffington Post have all banned it. This is my twelfth posting on YouTube. They generally email me (see below) asking that the video be "edited", claiming someone in the video complained, but they never respond to my emails asking who to edit, and instead simply take the video down a day or two later. They wouldn't take down a similar video of neo-nazis or the KKK, but YouTube clearly would like to sweep Zionist style racism under the rug. Shame on them.

And as I pointed out to one of the hatemailers, this video is not a gratuitous depiction of idle victimless racism, it's documentation of racism with real and ongoing consequences. Things like this need to be seen.

Max Blumenthal's site is http://maxblumenthal.com/.
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#1692427 - 03/29/11 10:03 AM Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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i sent an e-mail to your museum site

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#1692433 - 03/29/11 10:52 AM Canadians swear allegiance to Israel [Re: onegreenday]
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Here's some Canadians swearing allegiance

to Israel on the 'catwalk of extremism'

You thought they were loyal Canadians eh?

Feeling the Loyalty to the Jewish State of Israel

http://www.youtube.com/user/mblumenthal#p/u/9/wsWDcFiPo2s

Full report: http://www.alternet.org/news/148201/watch%3A_as_israel_slides_toward_fascism%2C_citizens_and_supporters_swear_their_loyalty/


Watch: As Israel Slides Toward Fascism, Citizens and Supporters Swear Their Loyalty
By Max Blumenthal and Joseph Dana, AlterNet
Posted on September 16, 2010, Printed on March 29, 2011
http://www.alternet.org/story/148201/

The Israeli Knesset is debating a bill proposed by David Rotem of the extreme right Yisrael Beiteinu party that would require all Israeli citizens to swear loyalty to Israel as a "Jewish and democratic state." This bill is targeted at increasing pressure on the 20 percent of Israelis who are Palestinian citizens, while forcing the ultra-Orthodox Jewish minority who reject the legitimacy of any state not based on Jewish biblical law to accept Zionism. If passed in its proposed form, citizens unwilling to take the loyalty oath would be at risk of losing citizenship.

Israeli leaders committed to a classic secular political Zionist platform have always fought at all costs to guard Israel's "Jewish character," even while they reveal their inability to properly define exactly what it is. The loyalty oath and the push for a two-state solution are the most profound examples of the insecurity that has roiled beneath the surface in Jewish Israeli society since the state's inception. Without a Jewish majority exhibiting clear legal and political dominance over the non-Jewish or non-Zionist minority, the Zionist movement becomes meaningless. So as the Palestinian-Israeli minority actively resists its dispossession and the ultra-Orthodox stubbornly reject the concept of a Jewish state, the Israeli establishment feels increasingly compelled to seek draconian measures to salvage its vision of Zionism.

Watch the video: Feeling the Loyalty to the Jewish State of Israel -- (article continues below)

The loyalty oath was one of the main platform issues for Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman's far-right Yisrael Beitenu party when it campaigned in 2009. "No citizenship without loyalty," was among Lieberman's most effective campaign slogans. (His other slogan was "Only Lieberman speaks Arabic.") It helped guide his party to an astonishing third place, with 15 of the 120 seats in Israeli Parliament. The draft bill currently debated in the Parliament would allow the Interior Ministry to strip even native Israelis of their nationality if they refused to swear allegiance to the Jewish state and "its symbols and values," and failed to profess their willingness to perform military service. Abraham Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, has expressed support for Yisrael Beiteinu's loyalty crusade.

After the proposed law failed its first reading in the Knesset due to opposition from a handful of liberal members of the ruling Likud party, Yisrael Beiteinu released the following statement: "Yisrael Beitenu will continue to act for Israel's basis as a Jewish, Zionist and democratic state and will fight against disloyalty and the negative exploitation of Israeli democracy." In July, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's cabinet has approved a similar bill requiring all new citizens to take an oath of loyalty to the Jewish state. The measure would make attaining citizenship nearly impossible for Palestinians residing inside Israel.

The following month, we met the loyalty bill's author, David Rotem, at his home in the illegal West Bank settlement of Efrat. A self-described "very Zionistic" politician with a hulking frame and a pronounced limp resulting from a bout of polio, Rotem described in a gravely voice his vision of Israeli democracy. "Tyranny of the majority is the heart of democracy," he declared. "Call it what you want but democracy is the rule of the majority. And it's not a tyranny if the majority decides against the minorities."

Besides the loyalty oath bill, political factions ranging from far-right settler parties to opposition leader Tzipi Livni's centrist Kadima Party have proposed no less than 14 pieces of legislation this year that the Association for Civil Rights in Israel defines as anti-democratic. (Rotem is the author of six of the bills.) They include laws that would send citizens to jail for encouraging the rejection of Israel as a Jewish state, strip filmmakers of state funding if their work was deemed anti-Israel, and prosecute any Israeli who publishes material calling for a boycott of Israel. Other lesser-publicized bills have been introduced to block Palestinian residents of Israel from returning to confiscated land or reuniting with family members from the West Bank or Gaza.

While leftist Israelis chant, "Fascism will not pass!" at demonstrations in East Jerusalem, former Knesset member and commentator Yossi Sarid titled a recent column, "Fascism is already here." Citing the swath of anti-democratic bills being debated in the Knesset, the support Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his cabinet have offered for most of them, and the near total lack of opposition from the Israeli mainstream, Sarid remarked, "Israeli democracy is mainly for decoration, like a tree grown for its beauty, not to bear fruit. Few people actually use it or the rights it affords."

Of all the anti-democratic bills recently introduced in the Knesset, Rotem's loyalty law carries the most disturbing undertones, recalling some of the darkest periods in recent history. Well before the Nazi government initiated its campaign of genocide against Germany's Jewish minority, its political leadership introduced the "stab-in-the-back" legend, accusing Jews of disloyalty to the German army and of a general lack of patriotism. During the anticommunist furor of America's McCarthy era, teachers and lawmakers in several states were forced to sign loyalty oaths to prove they were not "subversive," prompting a crackdown on public servants, including a disproportionate number of Jews, who believed their constitutional rights were being violated.

In Israel, a right-wing student group called Im Tirtzu that has gained endorsements from Netanyahu and his education minister Gideon Saar has demanded a purge of all "post-Zionist and anti-Zionist" professors from the university system. To support Im Tirtzu's campaign, a popular Israeli singer named Amir Benayoun recorded a song hectoring Israeli leftists and Arabs for "knifing" Israel in the back. It features the lyrics:

After they failed to kill me from the outside you come and kill me from inside
I always charge forward with my back to you but you sharpen the knife

An Experiment In Fascism

With a fascist mood permeating Israeli government and society, we set out into the streets of central Jerusalem to engage young revelers on the issue of loyalty. Because Israel is debating legislation claiming it is the Jewish sovereign state and has the authority to speak in the name of the "Jewish people," we thought the opinions of supporters of Israel from the Jewish diaspora were an essential element in any discussion about the proposed loyalty bill. Given the already simmering controversy over "dual loyalty" in the United States, the topic needed to be explored thoroughly and unflinchingly. Did the Zionist loyalty oath represent a fulcrum point in the dual loyalty debate for diaspora Jews? Would diaspora Jews have any objection to taking an oath to defend the Jewish state? If so, did that put their allegiance to their country of residence in question?

Ultimately, we sought to determine the extent to which the Jewish public in Israel and abroad was ready to accept fascism in any form. To get a better sense of public opinion -- an incomplete snapshot, admittedly -- we asked interview subjects if they would swear before our camera an oath of loyalty to the Jewish state. Our oath was deliberately crafted with the most provocative language possible, based almost word-for-word on the Führereid, or the oath that Wehrmacht soldiers had to swear to Adolph Hitler from 1934 to 1945.

The Wehrmacht oath read as follows:

I swear by God this holy oath, that I want to offer unconditional obedience to the Fuhrer of the German Empire and people, Adolf Hitler, the commander-in-chief of the Wehrmacht, and be prepared as a brave soldier to risk my life for this oath at any time.

And here is the oath of loyalty to the Jewish state that our interview subjects read on camera:

I swear by Hashem [the Jewish God] that I want to offer unconditional loyalty to the Jewish state of Israel, to its leaders and the commanders of its Jewish army. I am prepared as a loyal supporter of the Jewish state to risk my life for this oath at any time.

Were we suggesting that the Jewish state of Israel represented a new incarnation of Hitler's Third Reich? Of course not. We repudiate sweeping comparisons of Israel to Nazi Germany as shallow and ahistorical. Instead, we imagined our video project as a version of the "Third Wave" experiment undertaken by history teacher Ron Jones at Cubberly High School in Southern California in 1967.

Seeking to demonstrate the susceptibility of average citizens to fascism, Jones ordered his students to accept a regimen of strict discipline and community including sig heil salutes, responding to questions while standing and in three words or less, and carrying membership cards at all times. "Strength through discipline," was the motto of the movement Jones claimed to be promoting. By the fourth day of the experiment, the students' enthusiasm for the project had spread to other classes throughout the school. Finally, Jones ordered his students to attend a rally where a presidential candidate from their Third Wave movement would announce his candidacy. When the students arrived, Jones revealed to them that they had been subjects in an experiment about the appeal of fascism, and that they had eagerly replicated the structure of Nazi German society.

Our own experiment exposed an equally disturbing trend among the young Israelis and Jewish supporters of Israel we spoke to. In some cases, our interview subjects eagerly requested to read the loyalty oath on camera without any prompting, and added their own personal touch to it -- usually they emphasized phrases like "Jewish state" and "Jewish army." These subjects were generally new immigrants who had left their families behind in order to join the army and start a brand new life in Israel. Jewish internationals (most were studying at Jerusalem-area yeshivas for the year) who took the oath defended it on the basis that Israel was a state for the Jews, and therefore did not have to comply with the regulations of normal Western democracies.

Only two interviewees refused to take the oath. Though they based their refusal on the possibility that Israel might commit grave human rights crimes in the distant future, they were admittedly unable to define the nature of the abuses that would turn them against the state.

If our interviews demonstrated anything, it is that anyone in any country can fall prey to the psychological lures of fascism. Jews are no exception.

Editor's Note: The author of the loyalty bill was misidentified in the video as Alex Miller. David Rotem is the author.

Max Blumenthal is the author of Republican Gomorrah (Basic/Nation Books, 2009). Contact him at maxblumenthal3000@yahoo.com.
© 2011 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/148201/
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#1692436 - 03/29/11 11:29 AM Re: Canadians swear allegiance to Israel [Re: onegreenday]
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that oath experiment proves nothing...there is a lot more to fascism than reading a plagiarized cue card

most people on the street know nothing of nazi oaths or the mechanics of fascism, and they would gladly read any patriotic-sounding statement put in front of them to earn the approval of their interviewer...all that experiment proves is that people are eager to demonstrate their patriotism, especially when the effort is minimal...the experiment would not have gone so well if those jews-on-the-street were asked to abandon democracy, put on security uniforms, grab their fellow jewish citizens on suspicion of being communist sympathizers, and drag them into an alley for a solid ass kicking


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#1692560 - 03/30/11 02:29 AM Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism [Re: onegreenday]
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"I've spent too much time here already."

Finally something we can agree upon.
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#1692872 - 03/31/11 06:39 PM Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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Originally Posted By: davidmalmolevine
"I've spent too much time here already."

Finally something we can agree upon.


Damm straight! But you are fun though. In a Zombie Shitler kind of way.
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#1694279 - 04/09/11 03:01 PM Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism [Re: onegreenday]
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protest to expel Africans from South Tel Aviv and all of Israel - April 6, 2011

South Tel Aviv Is On Fire


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-y24SzbCY&feature=player_embedded
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