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#1740843 - 04/26/12 04:19 AM
Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism
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Jews Worldwide demanded justice at Nuremberg while extremist Jews plotted to destroy Palestine EDIT: and start an eternal war. It's important to identify that 'extremist' element. Throughout history people condemn extremism. You never mention justice for Palestine. The words will never cross your lips. 1. Justice for the Nakba. 2. End of the occupation. 3. Right to return. 4. Equal rights to voting on the land and in the people. Jews are welcome to a 'homeland' with Palestinians. They can carve out exactly the life they want among the people. Their own private communities if they like and private shopping or restaurants BUT the street are for ALL the people. Your quote below would mostly apply to Israel.... One can only infer by your comments that the punishment aspect is the most important aspect of your "peace plan" - and any plan - even one created by Arabs - that doesn't contain a punishment element is not worth considering.
"But thus I counsel you, my friends: Mistrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful. They are people of a low sort and stock; the hangman and the bloodhound look out of their faces. Mistrust all who talk much of their justice! Verily, their souls lack more than honey. And when they call themselves the good and the just, do not forget that they would be pharisees, if only they had — power." Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra (1885)
Edited by onegreenday (04/26/12 05:14 AM)
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#1741162 - 04/28/12 12:27 PM
Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism
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Do you have a USA poll to back up your statement? "Jews who don't live in Israel could be the biggest critics of Israel." - that might be true in the united states where some polls found that on a per capita basis, more american jews support palestinian statehood than americans in general see question 7: http://www.ajc.org/site/c.ijITI2PHKoG/b....ish_Opinion.htm
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#1741212 - 04/28/12 09:02 PM
Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism
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#1741223 - 04/28/12 10:11 PM
Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism
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No. A link to the poll of americans you mention here: "than americans in general" the Jewish Poll is alarming but I want to compare it to the above.
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#1741297 - 04/29/12 04:11 PM
Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism
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SNIP: leaders are guided by “messianic” impulses http://www.presstv.ir/detail/238739.htmlIsrael fumes over Diskin’s Iran remarks Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:3PM GMT Political tension is simmering inside Israel’s political circles over latest remarks made by a former spymaster, who said the entity’s and are exaggerating the effectiveness of a possible military attack on Iran. The Israeli cabinet met on Sunday to express anger over the scathing attack launched by former Shin Bet, Israel's domestic security service, director Yuval Diskin on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak. Speaking in a meeting with the residents of Kfar Sava city on Friday, Yuval Diskin said the pair is not worthy of leading the entity as they are making decisions 'based on messianic feelings,' Ha’aretz reported. "My major problem is that I have no faith in the current leadership, which must lead us in an event on the scale of war with Iran or a regional war," he said. "I don't believe in either the prime minister or the defense minister. I don't believe in a leadership that makes decisions based on messianic feelings," Diskin added. The former Shin Bet chief also said, "I don't trust a leadership that relies on messianic leadership. Our two messiahs from Caesarea and from the Akirov Towers are not fit to stand at the helm of the administration." "Believe me, I have observed them from up close... They are not people who I, on a personal level, trust to lead Israel to an event on that scale and carry it off. These are not people who I would want to have holding the wheel in such an event," Diskin said. He then slammed Netanyahu and Barak over the Iranian nuclear program, saying they "present the public with a mirage. "They are misleading the public on the Iran issue. They tell the public that if Israel acts, Iran won't have a nuclear bomb. This is misleading. Actually, many experts say an Israeli attack would accelerate the Iranian nuclear race," said the former Israeli security chief. Zvi Hauser, the Israeli cabinet secretary, said on Sunday that Diskin's comments were destructive. "The Prime Minister works night and day to form an international front for the struggle against Iran. This struggle is Israel's main struggle today, and unfortunately there are those that with unfortunate statements, irresponsible statements, are breaking apart this front and weakening it, and that's a shame," he said. The United States, Israel and some of their allies have repeatedly accused Iran of pursuing military objectives in its nuclear enenrgy program without providing any evidence corroborating such allegations. Washington and Tel Aviv have time and again threatened Tehran with the "option" of a military strike against its civilian nuclear facilities. Iran argues that as a signatory to the Non-proliferation Treaty and a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), it has every right to develop and acquire nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. Follow Us © Copyright 2012 Press TV. All rights reserved. | About PressTV | Contact Us | Frequencies | Privacy Policy
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#1741308 - 04/29/12 07:06 PM
Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism
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"Jews Worldwide demanded justice at Nuremberg while extremist Jews plotted to destroy Palestine EDIT: and start an eternal war." They did this because they were Israelis or Zionists - but as the following link proves, being Israeli or Zionist does not stem from being Jewish: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/My main problem with you is that you try and pretend the people represented by the above link don't exist and you try and pretend it's their JEWISHNESS, not their militant zionism, that is responsible for their crimes. Like any "extreme Jew" will support Israel because they are Jewish, and those who come out against Israel do so in spite of their Jewishness. That's why you named this conversation "Catwalk of Jewish Extremism" instead of "Catwalk of Israeli Extremism" or "Catwalk of Zionist Extremism". "The words will never cross your lips. 1. Justice for the Nakba. 2. End of the occupation. 3. Right to return. 4. Equal rights to voting on the land and in the people." I support whatever the people of Palestine see as the best solution, not what their supposed racist, Jew-hating spokesperson from Pawtucket, RI thinks is the best solution. Right now, as far as I can tell, the solution with the most support is the two-state solution. If that changes - and/or you can provide evidence that says the one-state solution gets the most support - I will support that solution instead: "Said and Zemach said the “vast majority” of Palestinians and Israelis support a two-state solution, and believe as well that negotiated peace is essential. Some 71 percent of Palestinians and 77 percent of Israelis feel negotiations are “essential or desirable” and 78 percent of Palestinians and 74 percent of Israelis believe a peace agreement that leads to both states living side by side as good neighbors to be “essential or desirable.”" Read more: http://www.america.gov/st/mena-english/2...l#ixzz1tU9Rx4Ou
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#1741345 - 04/30/12 05:14 AM
Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism
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EDIT: Even the Shin Bet agrees with me on Jewish Extremists and one day I hope he'll realize the Nakba was 'extremism'at it's worst. It's interesting that he calls Israel an "entity" very interesting speech I'd say. Finally one intelligence officer that speaks the truth. quote: Speaking in a meeting with the residents of Kfar Sava city on Friday, Yuval Diskin said the pair is not worthy of leading the entity as they are making decisions 'based on messianic feelings,' Ha’aretz reported. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/29/israel-yuval-diskin-iran-reaction?newsfeed=truestinging attack on Israel's political leadership by a former head of Shin Bet, the security agency, continued to reverberate on Sunday despite high-level efforts to discredit the former spy chief's motives. snip.. You refuse to support International law. Nothing new for you eh David? Please list the non-Jews that participated in the Nakba. Please at least one (1),..and what their crime was. The crimes of the Nakba are International war crimes on the same legal footing with the crimes tried at Nuremberg and are up to the World community (you DML) to prosecute; not the Palestinian Diaspora. In other words you fail the people while I elevate all people. I only seek justice for their crimes. You can't turn me anti-Semitic no matter how hard you try.
Edited by onegreenday (04/30/12 06:46 AM)
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#1741384 - 04/30/12 12:46 PM
Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism
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"You refuse to support International law." "Self-determination is the principle in international law that nations have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no external compulsion or external interference." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determinationThis is the international law I support - not the law determined by anonymous racist Jew-hating trolls from Pawtucket, RI. It appears from the evidence I have presented that both sides want a solution they can live with - not one that will cause even more problems in the future. Since they live in the region and you don't, I imagine they have insight into the situation that you don't have. Furthermore, under the Nuremberg principles, the US is just as accountable for the Nabka as Israel is: In 1950, the Nuremberg Tribunal defined Crimes against Peace, in Principle VI, specifically Principle VI(a), submitted to the United Nations General Assembly, as:[9][10] (i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances; (ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_aggression#The_Nuremberg_PrinciplesBut you only focus your attention on Israel, not your own government, who has provided billions in military assistance (not to mention the UN veto) to Israel and allowed it to occupy territories and commit crimes. "Israel is the largest total recipient of direct economic and military assistance from the United States since World War II, and it was the largest annual recipient from 1976 to 2003." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_military_relations So why is it that the Israelis - the "Jews", rather - get all your attention while their Christian bosses get ignored by you? "You can't turn me anti-Semitic no matter how hard you try." By refusing to answer the question regarding why your post mentions "Jewish Extremism" in the title but you provide only examples of Israeli extremism, you do a great job of that all by yourself.
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#1741392 - 04/30/12 02:05 PM
Re: Catwalk of Jewish Extremism
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Prove USA involvement in the Nakba. Former Agent Blasts Israeli Leaders: Yuval Diskin Criticises Netanyahu, Barak's Policies http://youtu.be/wNsNBmMmi2MFormer Agent Blasts Israeli Leaders: Yuval Diskin Criticises Netanyahu, Barak's Policies The Israeli government has reacted to remarks by Israel's former spy chief Yuval Diskin, who blasted the country's leaders for formulating and pursuing policies on Iran on the basis of what he described as "messianic feelings". Israeli Infrastructure Minister Uzi Landau: "In a democracy you always have differences of opinions, and you have different leaders having different approaches. Now, it is the political leadership not the professional military leadership that decides on these things. This is in any democracy. That's why I was so much surprised by the open manner by which people from the military establishment are carrying out a professional debate that should be handled within the proper forums." Government officials said Benjamin Netanyahu was constantly working to form an international front for the struggle against Iran, and described Diskin's words as irresponsible and a shame. Diskin was referring to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defence Minister Ehud Barak, who have threatened to launch a pre-emptive war on Iran because of its nuclear programme. Other security veterans have come out against Netanyahu and Barak, but Diskin's criticism was especially strong. Israel's former spy chief Yuval Diskin: "I will tell you things that will be, perhaps, harsh. I have no faith in the prime minister, nor in the defence minister. I really don't have faith in a leadership that makes decisions out of messianic feelings." Diskin said that he was not necessarily opposed to Israel attacking Iran's nuclear sites pre-emptively. But he said Netanyahu was not up to the task of going to war as a second-term premier, and nor was Ehud Barak, despite being the country's most decorated soldier. Diskin's remarks came days after Israel's military chief, Lieutenant-General Benny Gantz, said Iran was "very rational" and unlikely to build a bomb in the face of world opposition, apparently undermining the case for a strike.
Edited by onegreenday (04/30/12 02:43 PM)
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