"And when asked to distance himself from said crimes, refuses."

Where the fuck do you get that?

Of course I don't believe in Israels right to aggressive war, or violence against the Palestinians, or to settle the occupied territories.

You're making shit up about me - which is why you never quote me.

We all no it can't be a 2-state solution.

That's a non-starter.

That's a fig-leaf to cover your deceit.

The Palestinian 'right of return'
is not negotiable
and it is the law.

EDIT: You refuse to admit the Nakba is/was
the crime of genocide or ethnic cleansing

the same as the Nazis crimes.
Therefore you are one.

"That makes him a nazi right there. And you to if you believe that."

- IMAWHATNOW?? anyone who supports the pre-67 borders is a NAZI? gee your opinion sounds kind of...uhm...extreme




"And the number of extremist Jews (in polls)
willing to burn a baby's flesh to the bone with white phosphorous is bestial, barbaric and Nazism (racial purity) exceeding Hitler's worst crime the Holocaust gas chamber"

- worse-than-the-holocaust-gas-chamber is a dubious claim BUT it would make sense if you believe the historical record misrepresented the reality of the holocaust

i am certain the poll of jews you cited worded the question differently...nobody in their right mind supports burning babies...for example, britain used phosphorus in world war two, NATO used white phosphorus in korea in the 1950's, and more recently the united states used white phosphorus in iraq less than 10 years ago...a strong majority of americans, british, and NATO countrymen supported those military wars/interventions....does that make the majority of western civilians NAZI beasts too? by extension of your extreme logic, your failure to report half a billion western nazi baby-burners makes you a nazi too

all of which is rather extremist thinking for a guy that devotes himself to the fight against *one* type of extremism that allegedly involves six million jews in israel



y'know greenie, if you yell NAZI at everyone then you help make hitler look like a normal guy with a slight personality defect...a lot of people do that though...apparently it's been long enough since the end of WWII that hitler's face can now be used to sell potato chips:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1683&dat=19980602&id=WHAaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=di4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=5524,1837038


see? hitler snacks are good so he must be good too!

"We all no it can't be a 2-state solution."

Tell that to the Arabs who came up with this two-state solution solution:

"The initiative attempts to end the Arab–Israeli conflict, which means NORMALIZING RELATIONSHIPS between the entire Arab region and ISRAEL, in exchange for a complete withdrawal from the occupied territories (including East Jerusalem) and a "just settlement" of the Palestinian refugee crisis based on UN Resolution 194 (which calls for a diplomatic resolution to the conflict and resolves that any refugees "wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors" should be able to do so or if they otherwise wish to be provided with compensation).[2]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

They live in the region ... you don't.



"That's a non-starter."

1) Your opposition does not rely upon logic or reason, you're not arguing that it's unjust, just that it would never work.

2) You sound exactly like the Israeli extremists that you decry:

"Although a number of Israeli officials have responded to the Initiative with both support and criticism, the Israeli government has swiftly rejected the initiative, saying it was a "non-starter".[4]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative


"The Palestinian 'right of return'
is not negotiable
and it is the law."

The "right of return" is found in the TWO-STATE solution within the Arab Peace Initiative.


"You refuse to admit the Nakba is/was
the crime of genocide or ethnic cleansing."

It's a non-controversial historical fact that the Nakba is genocide. There are lots of things I haven't commented on because I didn't expect anyone to claim I would say otherwise. Where have I denied this fact?


"the same as the Nazis crimes.
Therefore you are one."

You can't prove I'm a NAZI because you haven't bothered to find any quotes of mine that are remotely NAZI-esque ... I can, however, prove you to be a liar, because I'm constantly quoting you and then proving that you have no basis for your assertions.

If I was to argue in the manner in which you argue, I could say shit like "you refuse to admit the gas chambers existed, therefore you are a holocaust denier" - when we both know perfectly well that you haven't refused to admit anything - it's just that the topic never came up between us. But I would never sink so low as to argue in that fashion ... and what you actually say provides me with more than enough evidence to prove that you're a chronic liar.

If the shoe fits slarti , you & DML
must wear it.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Nazism

Na·zism (nätszm, nt-) also Na·zi·ism (-s-zm)
n.
The ideology and practice of the Nazis, especially the policy of racist nationalism, national expansion, and state control of the economy.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/nazisupport.cfm

Nazi Support of Zionism ......

The Nakba is and was an International
war crime that's never been
prosecuted.


The Nakba was/is a crime that guarantees 'eternal
war' with Muslims.

Which you see today as
Israel threatens World War.

If you support the Zionist Nazi (ethnic cleansing)
crimes of the Nakba
(fomented in the bowels of Nazi Germany)
then you are a Nazi.

The Arab League has no say in Palestinian affairs.

Only Palestinians speak for Palestine (including the diaspora)

and our "Right to Return" is International Law and not negotiable. No matter how many states, nor their borders.

Happy 420 (Hitler's birthday)

The Holocaust Industries favorite day.

The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering is a book published in 2000 by Norman G. Finkelstein, that argues that the

American Jewish establishment exploits the memory of the Nazi Holocaust for political and financial gain, as well as to further the interests of Israel.[1] According to Finkelstein, this "Holocaust industry"

has corrupted Jewish culture and the authentic memory of the Holocaust. Finkelstein's parents were both Holocaust survivors who had been inmates of concentration camps.[2]

EDIT: Israel's favorite day also, since they
extorted another nuclear submarine
from Germany this year..

"Only Palestinians speak for Palestine"

"The Palestinian Authority strongly supports the plan and Mahmoud Abbas officially asked U.S. President Barack Obama to adopt it as part of his Middle East policy.[6]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

Nothing Abbas does negates the right of return.
That resides w the people & the diaspora.

"Nothing Abbas does negates the right of return."

Where does he do this?

EDIT: Abbas does not speak for Palestine
a unity government does not speak for Palestine.

Israel keeps the diaspora out of Palestinian
politics;
since they have no 'right to return' to Palestine to participate.

More fig-leaf.

Israeli soldiers brutally attack Palestinians and ISM activists on bike ride

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL-GmYBNDqY&feature=youtu.be

Text of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Speech


Published: October 30, 2005

This is a translation, by Nazila Fathi in The New York Times Tehran bureau, of the October 26 speech by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to an Islamic Student Associations conference on "The World Without Zionism." The conference was held in Tehran, at the Interior Ministry.

The text of the speech was posted online, in Persian, by the Iranian Student News Agency (www.isnagency.com). Bracketed explanatory material is from Ms. Fathi.


I thank God that I have had the opportunity to participate in the event today ….

We need to examine the true origins of the issue of Palestine: is it a fight between a group of Muslims and non-Jews? Is it a fight between Judaism and other religions? Is it the fight of one country with another country? Is it the fight of one country with the Arab world? Is it a fight over the land of Palestine? I guess the answer to all these questions is ‘no.’

The establishment of the occupying regime of Qods [Jerusalem]was a major move by the world oppressor [ the United States] against the Islamic world. The situation has changed in this historical struggle. Sometimes the Muslims have won and moved forward and the world oppressor was forced to withdraw.

Unfortunately, the Islamic world has been withdrawing in the past 300 years. I do not want to examine the reasons for this, but only to review the history. The Islamic world lost its last defenses in the past 100 years and the world oppressor established the occupying regime. Therefore the struggle in Palestine today is the major front of the struggle of the Islamic world with the world oppressor and its fate will decide the destiny of the struggles of the past several hundred years.

The Palestinian nation represents the Islamic nation [Umma] against a system of oppression, and thank God, the Palestinian nation adopted Islamic behavior in an Islamic environment in their struggle and so we have witnessed their progress and success.

I need to thank you for choosing this valuable title for the conference.

Many who are disappointed in the struggle between the Islamic world and the infidels have tried to spread the blame. They say it is not possible to have a world without the United States and Zionism. But you know that this is a possible goal and slogan.

Let’s take a step back. We had a hostile regime in this country which was undemocratic, armed to the teeth and, with SAVAK, its security apparatus of SAVAK [the intelligence bureau of the Shah of Iran’s government] watched everyone. An environment of terror existed. When our dear Imam [Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder the Iranian revolution] said that the regime must be removed, many of those who claimed to be politically well-informed said it was not possible. All the corrupt governments were in support of the regime when Imam Khomeini started his movement. All the Western and Eastern countries supported the regime even after the massacre of September 7 [1978] and said the removal of the regime was not possible. But our people resisted and it is 27 years now that we have survived without a regime dependant on the United States. The tyranny of the East and the West over the world must should end, but weak people who can see only what lies in front of them cannot believe this.

Who could believe that one day we could witness the collapse of the Eastern Empire? But we have seen its fall during our lives and it collapsed in such a way that we have to refer to libraries because no trace of it is left. Imam [Khomeini] said Saddam must go and he said he would grow weaker than anyone could imagine. Now you see the man who spoke with such arrogance ten years ago that one would have thought he was immortal, is being tried in his own country in handcuffs and shackles by those who he believed supported him and with whose backing he committed his crimes.

Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime [Israel] has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world. But we must be aware of tricks.

For over 50 years the world oppressor tried to give legitimacy to the occupying regime and it has taken measures in this direction to stabilize it. About 27 or 28 years ago they took a major step and unfortunately one of the leading countries made a mistake which we hope will correct it.[an apparent reference to the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel].

Recently they [the Israelis] tried a new trick. They want to show the evacuation from the Gaza strip, which was imposed on them by Palestinians, as a final victory for the Palestinians and end the issue of Palestine with the excuse of establishing a Palestinian government next to themselves. Today, they want to involve Palestinians with mischief and trick them into fighting with one another over political positions so that they would drop the issue of Palestine.

They want to convince some of the Islamic countries that, since they evacuated the Gaza strip with good intentions, the legitimacy of their corrupt regime should be recognized. I hope Palestinian groups and people are aware of this trick.

The issue of Palestine is not over at all. It will be over the day a Palestinian government, which belongs to the Palestinian people, comes to power; the day that all refugees return to their homes; a democratic government elected by the people comes to power. Of course those who have come from far away to plunder this land have no right to choose for this nation.

I hope the Palestinian people will remain alert and aware in the same way that they have continued their struggle in the past ten years.

If we get through this brief period successfully, the path of eliminating the occupying regime will be easy and down-hill.

I warn all leaders of the Islamic world that they should be aware of this trick. Anyone who recognizes this regime because of the pressure of the World oppressor, or because of naiveté or selfishness, will be eternally disgraced and will burn in the fury of the Islamic nations.

Those who are sitting in closed rooms cannot decide for the Islamic nation and cannot allow this historical enemy to exist in the heart of the Islamic world.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?pagewanted=all