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#1732052 - 01/29/12 09:17 PM Malmo's beef *
davidmalmolevine Offline
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"So, I am going to remind everyone AGAIN, that this thread is about the CBC Bakery trial."

It's about Ted's post, which also mentions his false claim of being the oldest med pot dispensary in the world.

By limiting our responses in such a way you allow Ted to lie without consequence.


Edited by SeaWeed (01/30/12 01:48 PM)
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#1732120 - 01/30/12 11:35 AM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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David so what if his line about being the oldest is false it is one line in a lot of stuff about the trial. It's like not letting a coach tell a team what they need to do because one player said he was better than he re4ally was. In the long run that has nothing to do with what we need to do.


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#1732144 - 01/30/12 01:13 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: topcat1666]
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Someone stealing credit for the achievements of another person is only unimportant to those who have no achievements.

If you were a pioneer and managed to do something before anyone else did, it would matter to you that you received credit for that. Since Valerie Corral isn't here to defend herself, I have decided to do it for her.

All too often men have taken credit for the achievements of women, and it sickens me. All too often it's been Ted Smith doing the taking, and the fact nobody else calls him on it (or the fact that few view it as an important matter) also sickens me.

Take, for example, all those who call themselves "authors of Prop 215". There are only two genuine authors - Dennis Peron and Anna Boyce. Doctor Mikuriya may have contributed one sentence, but that's the complete list of authors. People should know that.


"Dennis Peron, the recognized founder of the medical marijuana movement opposed the Moderates and pointed out that under their version, “Patients would only be allowed to use marijuana the last half hour of their life.”

Despite intense negotiations, both sides would not budge. Then, the Moderates filed their version of 215, without telling us, which would have made the version drafted by the Moderates, the law today. Of course, when the Radicals found out about this, we were determined not to be chained to a version of 215 we thought was too weak.

Fortunately, the Radicals went down to the Election Department and filed the final version, paying by money order, instead of a check, as the Moderates did. In doing so, the Radicals moved ahead of them and their version ended up on the garbage heap of history.

Now comes the lesson for us all. The very Moderates, who nearly succeeded in eviscerating Prop. 215, and the same folks who got the legislature to set a six plant limit for all Californian’s are now tripping over each other to claim credit. One of the Moderates, who claims to be the author of Prop. 215, has become a TV regular, whenever someone is needed to bash Prop. 215 and medical marijuana.

Missed in all this is the real hero, Anna T. Boyce, RN, who was able to get the California Legislature to pass the first version of 215, twice, only to be vetoed by Governor Pete Wilson. Anna and I attended a 10 year celebration of Prop. 215, held in LA, by Americans for Safe Access. Nobody recognized Anna that night. Instead, we endured a lengthy line of self-congratulatory wannabees.

It is visionaries like Anna T. Boyce and radicals like Dennis Peron who have created a new world for us. Unfortunately, it is moderates who have since bartered away our rights and stolen real victory for us — while they serve up their airbrushed revisionist version of history instead."

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/steve-kubby-the-curse-of-moderates/



Or take, as another example, Arthur Eichengrun:

Eichengrün has made his name through numerous inventions such as processes for synthesizing chemical compounds. He held 47 patents. Arguably, however, he is best known through the controversy around the question who invented Aspirin.

The standard story credits Felix Hoffmann, a young Bayer chemist, with the invention of Aspirin in 1897. Impure acetylsalicylic acid (ASA, the active compound of Aspirin) had been synthesized already in 1853 by French chemist Charles Frédéric Gerhardt; the 1897 process developed at Bayer was the first to produce pure ASA that could be used for medical purposes.

In 1949, Arthur Eichengrün published a paper in which he claimed to have planned and directed the synthesis of Aspirin along with the synthesis of several related compounds. He also claimed to be responsible for Aspirin's initial surreptitious clinical testing. Finally, he claimed that Hoffmann's role was restricted to the initial lab synthesis using his (Eichengrün's) process and nothing more.[1]

The Eichengrün version was ignored by historians and chemists until 1999, when Walter Sneader of the Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow re-examined the case and came to the conclusion that indeed Eichengrün's account was convincing and correct and that Eichengrün deserved credit for the invention of Aspirin.[2] Bayer denied this speculation in a press release, confirming that the invention of Aspirin was due to Hoffmann.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Eichengr%C3%BCn


Eichengrun was prolific, with 40 patents to his name and was promoted to the head of pharmaceutical research upon his discovery. (8)

Eichengrun was never given credit for discovering Aspirin. When he was promoted head of research, his assistant, German Felix Hoffmann - the man Bayer claims to this day (9) invented aspirin - was moved to the sales department.

http://www.potshot.ca/pm/index.php?n=Main.AspirinsTwistedHistory


Maybe if Bayer gave credit to Eichengrun for discovering Aspirin, the Nazi's would have had a more difficult time claiming the Jews never contributed anything worthwhile to society. And maybe if Valerie Corral got credit for running the world's longest running med pot operation, people would have more respect for her contribution - and women's contributions - to the marijuana movement.





Edited by SeaWeed (01/30/12 01:52 PM)
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#1732310 - 02/01/12 03:18 AM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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Davidmalmolevine posts .....blah,blah,blah,blah getting very old and boring dude.

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#1732450 - 02/02/12 07:24 AM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: GreenAlien]
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Hey David,

Do you have a timeline of important cannabis activism events in Canada? One that would include the formation of the first clubs?
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#1732458 - 02/02/12 09:00 AM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: kingAmongKings]
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#1732485 - 02/02/12 12:09 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: kingAmongKings]
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"Do you have a timeline of important cannabis activism events in Canada? One that would include the formation of the first clubs?"

I'm working on an article right now that will cover all of North America. There are so many people claiming to be pioneers, and so few actual pioneers ... one day the truth will be told, and the liars will be ashamed.

In the mean time, it looks like one of my side projects is going to result in legalization - I am a co-author of the Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act, and it looks like it's going to get the funding to make the ballot and become law in California:

http://cannabis.hawaiinewsdaily.com/2012/02/01/regulate-marijuana-like-wine-wins-62-in-ca-poll/

While others cheer on Ted - who fights for the right to sell brownies to sick people - they shit on me, who is fighting for the right to sell buds to healthy people.

Lucky for me I'm my own historian and don't have to rely on Acid Head Ted and his Hempology 101 version of history to keep track of who did what in this movement.
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#1732515 - 02/02/12 03:58 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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No bodies shitin' on you David, it's just that everyone is sick and tired of your fuckin' argueing already. Chill man. Put that energy into writing something for a Canadian regulation or something already,. JEEEEZZ.
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#1732517 - 02/02/12 04:30 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: banty2]
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There are some people, who can only feel good, when slamming others and calling them names. Sad really, to think malmo, I almost was close to admiring you.
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#1732518 - 02/02/12 04:36 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: banty2]
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"No bodies shitin' on you David,"

Do you even read your own posts? What do you consider "shitting on" if not everything you've said about me for the last three days?




"... it's just that everyone is sick and tired of your fuckin' argueing already."

Tough shit. Telling the truth about WAMM's contribution to the movement is more important to me than being popular with a bunch of anonymous do-nothings.



"Chill man. Put that energy into writing something for a Canadian regulation or something already,. JEEEEZZ."

I spend about 0.0000001% percent of my day calling Ted out on his lies. I type fast. You will soon find out what I've been doing for the Canadian scene. It involves more than just figuring out which cannabis users to protect and which ones to throw under the bus.

Why don't you lead by example and show me how to put some energy into something aside from attacking a cannabis historian for telling the truth about cannabis history?
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