Bullshit!! I`m MisterCleanscreens.

ROFLMFBO!!!

"Bullshit!! I`m MisterCleanscreens."

You're my voluntary sparring partner! You're practice for when I must debate ignorant people in real life!

Welcome back. I was getting out of practice.

hey docsativa, did you use to have a different screen name on these forums? your writing is similar to someone who called themselves "benjamin".

i see it was already brought up. never mind. i'm not fully awake yet this morning.

*yawns while sipping coffee*

-blue skies

i'm not sure what the problem is with mr. levine's comments. he is one of the few people who can support his statements with researched material.

he makes it easy for people to verify his statements. mr. levine usually posts links to citations supporting his view.

-blue skies

Thank you DML. I do not know if you`ve seen this video; izzat you in front of a mic after the big government big government science guy laid out his spiel? http://markhaden.blogspot.com/2010/04/vancouver-police-officer-fired-charged.html Here`s the article also http://christianwalker.hubpages.com/hub/liberal_vs_conservative You sonded okay until you mentioned that mom and pop should be allowed to "deal" and quoted Barack Obama`s pet,"Spread the wealth around." The article itself points out the weakness inherent in having so many divisions within the activist movement which opens the door for opponents to further divide and eliminate what the left and the right see as a threat to the status quo. Contrary to the Hope and Change detritis, people are very resistant to change, and hope outside of a believable source is smoke and mirrors. As i have said before, my number one reason for my involvement in forums has always been for the purpose of exercising my mind; as for politics, they have not changed very much since the foundation of both Canada and the United States; except perhaps that politicians still lie their asses off, but it has become much easier to catch them lying. If anything has changed in politics it`s that just about every political movement`s focus has drastically changed from a sincere desire to find a way to benefit people to weilding power and to Hell with any consequences because politicians have learned how to enact laws which exempt them from suffering the consequences of the laws which you and I are forced to obey. At this point in American politics the two ideologies have taken a back seat to power, but if they were brought to bear on our government which would be the best: Socialist Democracy, or an independent go-it-alone capitalist democracy? I would say that the extremes of both ideologies are dangerous and would deepen problems in American society and that one, tempered with the other, might be the best ideology of all. The really cool thing about arguing with DML is that you only argue to win...........

"You sonded okay until you mentioned that mom and pop should be allowed to "deal" ..."

Most people get their pot from ma and pa. I'm willing to bet you have at some point in your life. Why should these people go out of business when legalization arrives?

Corporate/government pot sucks ass:

http://safeaccess.ca/research/flinflon/opnltr0105.htm#qandp



"...and quoted Barack Obama`s pet,"Spread the wealth around." "

Typical. The rednecks that tell hippies to "get a job" are the same ones that insist that it not be "that" job. You really have a problem with giving everyone the chance at a good job? So much for "land of the free - home of the brave".



"The article itself points out the weakness inherent in having so many divisions within the activist movement which opens the door for opponents to further divide and eliminate what the left and the right see as a threat to the status quo."

The solution, of course, is not to demand uniformity within the movement, but rather to have a vigorous debate within the movement, and insist on each faction to justify every limitation on personal freedom they create - which is exactly what I'm doing with you.

The most attractive legalization model to the majority of our community will rise above the others and, eventually, be adopted. I'm here to ensure that model is inclusive, and doesn't sell out those who have held our culture together all these years: ma and pa grower and dealer.


"The object is to spread the wealth as much as possible. We don’t want the oil, tobacco, and liquor companies, or the pharmaceutical industry gaining control of this market. It’s extremely important that it be kept in the hands of the people who have put it together over these last twenty years."
Gatewood Galbraith, High Times, March 1990, p. 14
http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/node/25832

"The stakes of the struggle were high: political and economic monopolization of medicine meant control over its institutional organization, its theory and practice, its profits and prestige. And the stakes are even higher today, when total control of medicine means potential power to determine who will live and will die, who is fertile and who is sterile, who is ‘mad’ and who is ‘sane’." Ehrenreich & English, Witches, Midwives and Nurses, 1993, p. 4

["You sonded okay until you mentioned that mom and pop should be allowed to "deal" ..."

Most people get their pot from ma and pa. I'm willing to bet you have at some point in your life. Why should these people go out of business when legalization arrives?] As long as ma and pa can pass an extensive criminal background check and are required to have a revocable business license... Mammy and Pappy are also selling pot to minors, but I doubt if very many of them sell to 11 yearolds like you did(still do?). As the article mentions there is a conundrum amongst marijuana activists as to how to best go about the process of legalizing marijuana. I`m certain that loose cannons want a wild West free for all, but shallow minds never agonize over issues very much; they just think they have all of the facts; where marijuana is concerned, there really is an awful lot of mystery involved seeing as how nobody knows for certain what the outcome of turning loose another intoxicant for legal consumption by the public. {“Until cannabis prohibition ends and we get some kind of regulation system in this country as a whole, we cannot stop the criminals, we can’t stop the black market,” she said. “Patients are not criminals. But patients are being punished for the actions of a few bad seeds.”} http://www.eastoregonian.com/free/oregon...1cc4c03286.html A few bad seeds? Let me assure you, that is an extreme understatement. I myself can remember very clearly reading threads on the notorious Mail Order Marijuana topic here; y`all had to shut that crap down as I recall because....you know because. Your testimony of your childhood and youth says volumes about your adulthood; you spent way too much time wasting words arguing with your mother in obvious rebellion, then at age 14, you began using drugs. You dropped out of college and joined the happy go lucky hippie dipshitty counter culture. Well, that`s more likely than not to be the results obtained when kids make drugs a priority in life; sure, there are always exceptions to the rule, but you are very obviously not one of those exceptions. And far better equipped and far more mature and sincere people should take you seriously? Anyone who dishonors the parents of 11 yearold children should never be esteemed; they should be thought of as mente de ninyos because they never outgrow their childhood vanities. DML theme song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX80LQAZjhg .....

"As long as ma and pa can pass an extensive criminal background check and are required to have a revocable business license..."


"I’m of the opinion it would be wrong to exclude people who have a record of marijuana production, because they have the experience. It’d be like having a gay rights club and only letting straight people in."

http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/conten...sks-Them-Advice



"Mammy and Pappy are also selling pot to minors, but I doubt if very many of them sell to 11 yearolds like you did(still do?)."

13. And I never sold to anyone without their parents permission. I'm an art dealer now. And the Canadian Senate recommended 16, so it's not like Canadians share the pathological aversion to "minors" getting protected from the black market like you Yankees have.



"I`m certain that loose cannons want a wild West free for all, but shallow minds never agonize over issues very much; they just think they have all of the facts;"

What facts do you think I'm missing, oh deep one?



"where marijuana is concerned, there really is an awful lot of mystery involved seeing as how nobody knows for certain what the outcome of turning loose another intoxicant for legal consumption by the public."

Marijuana is here already. Legalization won't introduce it. Do you really believe that the law stops people from using it?


"y`all had to shut that crap down as I recall because....you know because."

Because fear of legal problems. You've never been to Holland I take it?




"Your testimony of your childhood and youth says volumes about your adulthood; you spent way too much time wasting words arguing with your mother in obvious rebellion,"

It prepared me for arguing with fucktards like yourself.


"...then at age 14, you began using drugs."

I started using drugs when I was one, when my mom introduced me to chocolate. When I was six my grandparents introduced me to coffee and liquor, but only in tiny amounts.


"You dropped out of college and joined the happy go lucky hippie dipshitty counter culture."

Given how fucked up the main culture is, it seems like the intelligent choice.



"Anyone who dishonors the parents of 11 yearold children should never be esteemed;"

13. And I asked for face to face AND written parental permission. How is that disrespectful to parents?

At least my achievements are not limited to lying and trolling on forum chats, old man.