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#1732730 - 02/06/12 12:04 AM Re: NASA new data cooling! * [Re: Mr Hand]
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#1732886 - 02/08/12 12:23 PM Re: NASA new data cooling! [Re: Mr Hand]
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hullo mr hand,

long thyme, no typo

i checked the link you provided from the tabloid journalists at the daily mail, from which you copy-pasted that graph of global temperatures...the article claims that met office data proves there has been no increase in temperatures for the past 15 years

1. the daily mail graph does not match the temperature graph at the met office...the daily mail is not a more accurate source of temperature data, but it has solid credentials for publishing gossip and hoaxes





2. even IF it were true that global temperatures did not increase over the past 15 years, it would suggest that temperatures are still at their peak levels...in FACT, 2011 was the 9th warmest year on record, and 9 of the 10 warmest years on record occurred since 2000

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2011-temps.html

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#1733501 - 02/14/12 09:59 AM Re: NASA new data cooling! [Re: slartibartfast]
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#1734197 - 02/21/12 06:12 PM Electric Vehicles in China More Polluting Than Gas [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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Electric Vehicles in China More Polluting Than Gasoline Vehicles.
KNOXVILLE, Tennessee, February 16, 2012 (ENS) - Electric vehicles in China cause more harmful particulate matter pollution than gasoline-fueled cars, when emissions from the generating stations that power them is factored in, new research shows.

In China, 85 percent of electricity production is from fossil fuels, and about 90 percent of that is from coal. The generation of electricity to operate EVs emits fine particles at a much higher rate than petrol-powered vehicles, finds a team of researchers from the United States and China.


BYD electric buses in Shenzen, China. The Shenzen government plans to have all public transportation on electric power in the next five years. (Photo courtesy BYD)
Chris Cherry, assistant professor in civil and environmental engineering at the University of Tennessee, and graduate student Shuguang Ji, analyzed the emissions and environmental health impacts of five vehicle technologies in 34 major Chinese cities, focusing on dangerous fine particles.

"An implicit assumption has been that air quality and health impacts are lower for electric vehicles than for conventional vehicles," Cherry said.

"Our findings challenge that by comparing what is emitted by vehicle use to what people are actually exposed to," he said. "Prior studies have only examined environmental impacts by comparing emission factors or greenhouse gas emissions."

Cherry worked with Ye Wu from Tsinghua University in Beijing and scientists from the University of Minnesota.

The study was conducted in China because of the popularity of electric bikes and electric cars and the country's rapid growth.


E-bike and bus in Shanghai (Photo by electricbicycle.net)
Electric vehicles in China outnumber conventional vehicles 2:1. E-bikes in China are the single largest adoption of alternative fuel vehicles in history, with over 100 million vehicles purchased in the past decade, more than all other countries combined.

For electric vehicles, says Cherry, combustion emissions occur where electricity to power them is generated rather than where the vehicle is used.

"The study emphasizes that electric vehicles are attractive if they are powered by a clean energy source," Cherry said."In China and elsewhere, it is important to focus on deploying electric vehicles in cities with cleaner electricity generation and focusing on improving emissions controls in higher polluting power sectors."

The researchers estimated health impacts in China using overall emission data and emission rates from literature for five vehicle types - gasoline and diesel cars, diesel buses, e-bikes and e-cars - and then calculated the proportion of emissions inhaled by the population.


Coal-fired power plant in Guangdong, southern China (Photo by Panaramio)
The impact of electric cars was found to be lower than diesel cars but equal to diesel buses. E-bikes yielded the lowest environmental health impacts per passenger per kilometer.

"Our calculations show that an increase in electric bike usage improves air quality and environmental health by displacing the use of other more polluting modes of transportation," Cherry said. "E-bikes, which are battery-powered, continue to be an environmentally friendly and efficient mode of transportation."

The type of air pollution measured for the study - particulate matter - includes acids, organic chemicals, metals, and soil or dust particles. It is also generated through the combustion of fossil fuels.

Cherry said the research highlights the importance of considering exposures and the proximity of emissions to people when evaluating environmental health impacts for electric vehicles and the impact of moving air pollution out of cities. For electric vehicles, about half of the urban emissions are inhaled by rural populations, he said.

This study is funded by the U.S. National Science Foundation. The findings are published in the journal "Environmental Science and Technology."

Copyright Environment News Service (ENS) 2012. All rights reserved
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2012/2012-02-16-01.html

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#1734206 - 02/21/12 07:26 PM Re: Electric Vehicles in China More Polluting Than Gas [Re: Mr Hand]
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it probably helps that china is a major importer of refined fuels, thus avoiding the pollution caused during the refining process

ok mr hand, so what do you conclude from this exciting new information? should china drill/import less fossil fuels, and hydro/solar/wind more energy supplies? or should *we* build more oil refineries in china so their electric vehicles make better statistical sense?

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#1734217 - 02/21/12 10:42 PM Re: Electric Vehicles in China More Polluting Than Gas [Re: slartibartfast]
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We were doing so well with air powered vehicles in the past.
Maybe they figured it would be better to have us all spend $50 to fill up then toss a couple quarters in the air machine?
http://www.aircaraccess.com/history.htm

H. K. Porter Compound Air Locomotives, 1896-1930





Honda Air lightweight concept car is propelled by compressed air

Anupam JollyOct 22 2010

Eco Factor: Zero-emission vehicle powered by compressed air.

Honda has designed an all new Air Concept car, which the company showcased at the 2010 LA Auto Show’s Design Challenge competition. Designed to weigh less than 1000lbs, the vehicle can carry up to four people. The Honda Air is a vision of a coastal cruiser for the aggressive lifestyle and has been inspired by roller coasters and skydiving wing-suits.



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Powered entirely by compressed air and a pneumatic regulator system, the vehicle uses turbo vacuums and external air-flow to regenerate tank pressure for extended range and increased boost for an estimated 100 miles. To reduce the overall weight of the car, the body panels and fairings have been made from vegetable-based polymers. The cockpit is aimed at maximizing the open air driving performance.



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#1734335 - 02/22/12 07:14 PM Re: Electric Vehicles in China More Polluting Than Gas [Re: Mr Hand]
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i don't know much about the range and safety of air powered vehicles, but it seems like a good idea if the claims are even half true


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#1735197 - 03/01/12 05:51 PM Re: Global Warming is not due to human contribution of [Re: Mr Hand]
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Canada has already pulled the plug on their Kyoto Protocol committments because of one simple fact; it`s not doable. Funny how China condemns Canada for the decision. They were exempted. http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2012/02/idiot-cousin-theory-of-government.html

Indeed -- "The first and foremost purpose of government is to create government jobs."
Indeed, the reason for creating global warming is to concentrate power.


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#1735198 - 03/01/12 06:12 PM Re: Electric Vehicles in China More Polluting Than Gas [Re: Mr Hand]
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You want to drive a vehicle that weighs less than half a ton at highway speeds in real world circumstances? Be our guest. Let us know how well it works out when you get blown out of the saddle by black ice or whatever. http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/liveearthcelebrityjet.jpg?w=450

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#1735203 - 03/01/12 06:48 PM Re: NASA new data cooling! [Re: slartibartfast]
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[2. even IF it were true that global temperatures did not increase over the past 15 years, it would suggest that temperatures are still at their peak levels...in FACT, 2011 was the 9th warmest year on record, and 9 of the 10 warmest years on record occurred since 2000] The sample is far too insignificant to draw any conclusions from. Do you not become suspicious when Anthropomorphic climate change is substituted by global warming? Consensus also seems to be the gathering at the feeding trough to me. Am I the only one who noticed that the polar oscillation effect was made public on a broad scale this year for the first time in my memory; is it also just circumstantial that Europe`s worst Winter since the second world war is being downplayed in the liberal media outlets? http://nsidc.org/icelights/2012/02/02/the-arctic-oscillation-winter-storms-and-sea-ice/ Go to NOOA`S website and read about Climate Variability. At least science is willing to admit that there are many factors involved which influence both weather and climate. C02 is absolutely the best choice ever singled out for building an international global agenda. [In 1310, a 20-year trend of cold weather was actually to blame for the Great Famine that began in 1315. And it probably had a lot to do with poor nutrition that made people more susceptible to the Black Death that struck in 1348.

1816 was the "Year Without a Summer" in the Northern Hemisphere. On July 4th that year in Savannah, Georgia, the high temperature was 46°F! There were food shortages due to crop failures and livestock deaths in the US, Canada, and Western Europe.] I find it very strange that not very many people ever discuss the benifits of global warming cycles..... dman creepy that.

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