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#1733001 - 02/09/12 01:50 PM Re: Malmos Beef * [Re: Sticky_Icky]
davidmalmolevine Offline
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Here is the story of Anna Boyce, who - like Hilary Black and Valerie Corral - is a woman in the pot movement who has her pioneering work stolen by men.




Steve Kubby: ‘The Curse of Moderates’
July 12th, 2009 · 29 Comments

Article by Steve Kubby sent via facebook. While it is not directly related to alternative parties or independent candidates, the author was a two-time runner up for the Libertarian Party Vice Presidential nomination (2000 and 2008), 1998 Libertarian candidate for Governor of California, and candidate for the 2008 Libertarian Presidential nomination. Additionally, it touches on themes that are currently being discussed in the Libertarian and other alternative parties, for example here and here

Back in 1996, medical marijuana proponents were split into two camps, the Moderates and the Radicals.

Basically, the Moderates wanted 215 to only cover seriously ill patients and, if I recall correctly, contained plant limits and actually described 215 as only providing an affirmative defense.

Dennis Peron, the recognized founder of the medical marijuana movement opposed the Moderates and pointed out that under their version, “Patients would only be allowed to use marijuana the last half hour of their life.”

Despite intense negotiations, both sides would not budge. Then, the Moderates filed their version of 215, without telling us, which would have made the version drafted by the Moderates, the law today. Of course, when the Radicals found out about this, we were determined not to be chained to a version of 215 we thought was too weak.

Fortunately, the Radicals went down to the Election Department and filed the final version, paying by money order, instead of a check, as the Moderates did. In doing so, the Radicals moved ahead of them and their version ended up on the garbage heap of history.

Now comes the lesson for us all. The very Moderates, who nearly succeeded in eviscerating Prop. 215, and the same folks who got the legislature to set a six plant limit for all Californian’s are now tripping over each other to claim credit. One of the Moderates, who claims to be the author of Prop. 215, has become a TV regular, whenever someone is needed to bash Prop. 215 and medical marijuana.

Missed in all this is the real hero, Anna T. Boyce, RN, who was able to get the California Legislature to pass the first version of 215, twice, only to be vetoed by Governor Pete Wilson. Anna and I attended a 10 year celebration of Prop. 215, held in LA, by Americans for Safe Access. Nobody recognized Anna that night. Instead, we endured a lengthy line of self-congratulatory wannabees.

It is visionaries like Anna T. Boyce and radicals like Dennis Peron who have created a new world for us. Unfortunately, it is moderates who have since bartered away our rights and stolen real victory for us — while they serve up their airbrushed revisionist version of history instead.

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/steve-kubby-the-curse-of-moderates/
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#1733003 - 02/09/12 02:09 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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That's Mr Sticky Icky to you. Mikey Evans. Mikeyzero, OCNORML. there's really no point being "myself" in a website so full of untrustworthy people.

Ironic? You must have the same definition of that, as Alannis Morisette.

Its a coincidence, not irony. Irony is being the poster child for JUST SAY NO, then dying, shitting your pants, not knowing your own name, because you helped to keep the one substance, best for treating alzheimers, ILLEGAL.(Ronald Reagan in case you aren't good at riddles)

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#1733039 - 02/09/12 08:19 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: Sticky_Icky]
davidmalmolevine Offline
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This isn't about accreditation.

This is about kissing up to Ted Smith.

Chris Bennett has just as much accreditation as I do as a historian: zero.

And yet because he doesn't comment on modern history and doesn't question the Ted Smith narrative, he's given a glowing review of his book in Ted's publication. You couldn't care less that he's not accredited, because you agree with the history he teaches.

You hold me to a higher standard because I write the history Ted and his friends don't want to hear - how it is a woman named Valerie Corral, not Ted Smith, who has the longest-running med pot club in the world.

As for the meaning of the word "irony" ...

Henry Watson Fowler, in The King's English, says "any definition of irony—though hundreds might be given, and very few of them would be accepted—must include this, that the surface meaning and the underlying meaning of what is said are not the same."
Also, Eric Partridge, in Usage and Abusage, writes that "Irony consists in stating the contrary of what is meant.""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony#Definitions

The irony is that you, on the one hand, claim to put a huge value on credability, on being accredited, on publishing in peer reviewed journals.

And yet neither you nor Ted (the guy who's historical narrative is in question) are accredited, nor have you been published in peer reviewed journals or - as far as I can tell - anywhere other than the internet.

And to top it all off, you don't need to use your own name in this forum because of all the "untrustworthy people". Refusing to use your own name - for whatever reason - is the opposite of credability - which you claim to value.

Hence the irony is that the clamoring for credability is coming from the most incredible source. The "surface meaning and the underlying meaning of what is said are not the same." If your need for credability was genuine the first person you would require it from would be yourself.
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#1733041 - 02/09/12 08:26 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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I don't have a favorite. You are just as cute as Ted. Ted just has better manners. I am accredited from Oakland University for earning a Bachelor's degree from that institution. I may not be published, but I don't claim to be either an authority nor an historian. You do. Anyone can do basic research online. There's a wealth of valid information available if one pays to access the several databases of published works by accredited and educated persons. That's how I've been privileged to do my research when attending university.

I'm just someone who is amused by this never ending diatribe against Ted. I still favor a public debate between you and Ted. I know that's not your style. How ironic.



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#1733046 - 02/09/12 09:12 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: Sticky_Icky]
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"I don't have a favorite. You are just as cute as Ted. Ted just has better manners."

Examples of Ted Smith's "better" manners:

"DML: Another Liar And Backstabber In The Movement"
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:56 pm
http://www.hempology.ca/cbc/forums/viewtopic.php?t=879

You can see here:

http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1463958&page=2

... that at 11/14/08 03:49 PM, I wrote:

"I don't have a problem with Ted. I admire anyone who opens up a Compassion Club.

But I would voice opposition to any bio patent or any medicine patent by anyone in our movement no matter who tried to pull it off.

It's not that I haven't done my homework - I have. I've written two CC articles and done two PTV shows on the subject.

I just disagree that patents are the way to go. Don't take it as a personal attack because it's not. It's an attack on a bad strategy adopted by good people."

Ted then responded with his "DML: Another Liar And Backstabber In The Movement" nonsense, and the attacks from him have been ad hominem and relentless ever since.

If you're wondering when it got personal, it was when I proved that I was not a liar and Ted refused to recant his position. Then I knew I was being punished for telling the truth, and that Ted was the most ethically-challenged person in the movement.

His attacks continued with unfounded accusations against the BCCCS:

http://www.hempology.ca/2008/10/18/bcccs-ignores-the-truth

... and VICS:

Title: CN BC: PUB LTE: The Pot And The Kettle
Published On: 2009-11-05
Source: Monday Magazine (CN BC)
Fetched On: 2009-11-08 15:32:25
THE POT AND THE KETTLE

Re: Letters, Oct. 29-Nov. 4

I'm proud to say that I've known and worked with Philippe Lucas for years, fighting to bring compassion and justice to Canada's medical cannabis system. I represented Mr. Beren in the constitutional challenge and, after reading Ted Smith's attacks against Philippe felt the need to set the record straight.

The VICS membership model and procedures were the subject of,
literally, days of cross-examination in the Beren case. Pressed by the Crown, Mr. Lucas spent hours outlining, in excruciating detail, the lengths to which the VICS went to ensure that all of its members had legitimate, physician-supported medical need. Perhaps Mr. Smith thinks this is conservative; he's entitled to his opinion. I call it prudent. And when the dust settled, I think we convinced the court that the VICS and Mr. Beren's motives were pure. That matters.

And the Beren case, contrary to Mr. Smith's suggestion, did set a precedent. It struck the government's arbitrary limit on the number of patients and caregivers that could band together to have community gardens (the limit had been three), taking advantage of the economies of scale and thus lowering the cost of medicine to those who need it. It was not a complete victory-litigation rarely is-but the case is currently before the Supreme Court on cross-applications for leave and it may be that more gains can be made for Canada's critically and chronically ill.

What won't help them, however, are petty and malicious letters that unjustly smear decent, honest and deeply committed social activists like Mr. Lucas.

Kirk Tousaw,

Mill Bay

http://www.rave.ca/en/news_info/212027/canada/




"I am accredited from Oakland University for earning a Bachelor's degree from that institution."

According to your logic, unless you have something published in a peer-reviewed political science journal, your views hold no weight.

According to my logic, it doesn't matter where you've been published, what your degree is in, or how many buddies you have backing you up in a particular discussion. The only thing that matters is whether you are right or wrong.


"I may not be published, but I don't claim to be either an authority nor an historian. You do."

I'm a historian according to the dictionary definition, not according to the Mikey definition.



"Anyone can do basic research online."

That's the nice thing about history - you don't need tuition or the ability to please professors to be a good historian - you only need be good at writing history.




"I'm just someone who is amused by this never ending diatribe against Ted."

It's a never-ending defense from attacks from Ted's buddies. I only make comments when someone lies - unfortunately it's non-stop.



"I still favor a public debate between you and Ted. I know that's not your style. How ironic."

I'll debate Ted anytime, anywhere.
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#1733056 - 02/10/12 02:18 AM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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#1733086 - 02/10/12 08:13 AM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: GreenAlien]
davidmalmolevine Offline
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Really? I find it all very fascinating. But of course, I'm a historian who gives a shit about the underdog, the downtrodden and the oppressed, and you're not.



"All credit for the patient's recovery went to the doctor and his "quick fix," for only the doctor participated in the mystique of Science. The nurse's activities, on the other hand, were barely distinguishable from those of a servant. She had no power, no magic, and no claim to the credit."

http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/witches.html


"In 1895 Mahony was the first employee hired by Frank Lloyd Wright and went to work designing buildings, furniture, stained glass windows and decorative panels.[3] Her beautiful watercolor renderings of buildings and landscapes became known as a staple of Wright's style, though she was never given credit by the famous architect."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Mahony_Griffin



"In one case, the author notes that the woman scientist was never given credit for her discovery of pulsars when her mentor received the Nobel Prize for astronomy."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0PBX/is_2_38/ai_114326873/
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#1733095 - 02/10/12 09:07 AM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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Quote:
"I still favor a public debate between you and Ted. I know that's not your style. How ironic."

I'll debate Ted anytime, anywhere.



Is there someone in BC who can set this up? We would love to see that on Stickam, or ULEAD. Something at UVIC?

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#1733106 - 02/10/12 10:31 AM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: Sticky_Icky]
davidmalmolevine Offline
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Does Ted Smith agree to a debate over what the longest-running med pot dispensary in the world is?
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#1733107 - 02/10/12 10:36 AM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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I'm working on it David. I've let him know you are willing to do a formal debate on the subject.

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