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#1732904 - 02/08/12 02:09 PM Re: Malmos Beef * [Re: seabc]
davidmalmolevine Offline
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"Kids before and after.Second time, they walked in with adult you knew."

I have an eye-witness - my house-mate Chad Rowsell - who says otherwise. Unlike your supposed witness, he's a real person, with a name.

In fact, ask anyone who hung out there at the time - they'll all say the same thing. No kids got served unless they had their parent's face to face AND written permission. Period.



As for Marc firing me from the BCMP vs. me quitting - both versions are true. He fired me for refusing to do my job, which was to go out and campaign in a socialist neighborhood with a capitalist platform. He had me join the Party and then revealed the platform afterwards - unlike the first election, which only had legalization and enhanced democracy, the second election had a very right-wing BCMP platform. He won't disagree with that (feel free to write to him about it if you like) and that's why I quit doing what he asked me to do - then he fired me from the party.




"Really how does any of this help the movement?"

Ted's lying doesn't help at all - but at least people will know that these forums aren't a place you can get away with lying.
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#1732905 - 02/08/12 02:11 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: Organic Gardener ]
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"wellll since this is how this thread reads I thought I'd summarize it with a picture."

Here's a link to another picture - the inventor of Aspirin, who never got credit for his work:

In 1884, Carl Duisberg began his career at Bayer. (7) He was General Manager at Bayer when in 1897 another prominent chemist, Arthur Eichengrun - a Jew - discovered Aspirin. Eichengrun was prolific, with 40 patents to his name and was promoted to the head of pharmaceutical research upon his discovery. (8)

Eichengrun was never given credit for discovering Aspirin. When he was promoted head of research, his assistant, German Felix Hoffmann - the man Bayer claims to this day (9) invented aspirin - was moved to the sales department. As it turns out, IG Farben made the Hoffmann story up in 1933 as the Nazi's came into power. To be fair, Bayer would never forget the inventor of their best seller - "the world's favorite painkiller." They used their influence to make sure Eichengrun got sent to the best of concentration camps. (10) He even got his own room.

Richard Willstatter, a Jewish Nobel Prize-winning chemist (1915) who had been forced to flee Germany in 1939, wrote a book while in exile in Switzerland. In it there is a short passage in which the scientist criticized Carl Duisberg for making anti-Semitic comments when Willstatter resigned from the University of Munich in 1924. (11) These anti-Semitic tendencies within I.G. Farben would become more pronounced as the company became more political.

http://www.potshot.ca/pm/index.php?n=Main.AspirinsTwistedHistory
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#1732906 - 02/08/12 02:15 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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Discovered asprin? or made a synthetic version of a plant chemical found in willow bark? Talk about rewriting history.

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#1732907 - 02/08/12 02:19 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: Sticky_Icky]
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History of Aspirin





1899 Aspirin Bottle First Bottle of Aspirin
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Since its market introduction under the trademark Aspirin in the year 1899, acetylsalicylic acid has attained a leading position world-wide in the prescription-free therapy of painful, inflammatory and feverish states.
• Aspirin Foundation
Developed by German chemist Felix Hoffmann in 1897 as a treatment for his father's arthritis, the basic ingredients of aspirin had long been known. Indeed, as long ago as the fifth century B.C
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By Mary Bellis

Aspirin or acetylsalicylic acid, is a derivative of salicylic acid that is a mild, nonnarcotic analgesic useful in the relief of headache and muscle and joint aches. The drug works by inhibiting the production of prostaglandins, body chemicals that are necessary for blood clotting and which also sensitize nerve endings to pain.

The father of modern medicine was Hippocrates, who lived sometime between 460 B.C and 377 B.C. Hippocrates was left historical records of pain relief treatments, including the use of powder made from the bark and leaves of the willow tree to help heal headaches, pains and fevers.

By 1829, scientists discovered that it was the compound called salicin in willow plants which gave you the pain relief.

According to "From A Miracle Drug" written by Sophie Jourdier for the Royal Society of Chemistry: "It was not long before the active ingredient in willow bark was isolated; in 1828, Johann Buchner, professor of pharmacy at the University of Munich, isolated a tiny amount of bitter tasting yellow, needle-like crystals, which he called salicin. Two Italians, Brugnatelli and Fontana, had in fact already obtained salicin in 1826, but in a highly impure form. By 1829, [French chemist] Henri Leroux had improved the extraction procedure to obtain about 30g from 1.5kg of bark. In 1838, Raffaele Piria [an Italian chemist] then working at the Sorbonne in Paris, split salicin into a sugar and an aromatic component (salicylaldehyde) and converted the latter, by hydrolysis and oxidation, to an acid of crystallised colourless needles, which he named salicylic acid."

Henri Leroux had extracted salicin, in crystalline form for the first time, and Raffaele Piria succeeded in obtaining the salicylic acid in its pure state.

The problem was that salicylic acid was tough on stomachs and a means of 'buffering' the compound was searched for. The first person to do so was a French chemist named Charles Frederic Gerhardt. In 1853, Gerhardt neutralized salicylic acid by buffering it with sodium (sodium salicylate) and acetyl chloride, creating acetylsalicylic acid. Gerhardt's product worked but he had no desire to market it and abandoned his discovery.

In 1899, a German chemist named Felix Hoffmann, who worked for a German company called Bayer, rediscovered Gerhardt's formula. Felix Hoffmann made some of the formula and gave it to his father who was suffering from the pain of arthritis. With good results, Felix Hoffmann then convinced Bayer to market the new wonder drug. Aspirin was patented on February 27, 1900.

The folks at Bayer came up with the name Aspirin, it comes from the 'A" in acetyl chloride, the "spir" in spiraea ulmaria (the plant they derived the salicylic acid from) and the 'in' was a then familiar name ending for medicines.

Aspirin was first sold as a powder. In 1915, the first Aspirin tablets were made. Interestingly, Aspirin ฎ and Heroin ฎ were once trademarks belonging to Bayer. After Germany lost World War I, Bayer was forced to give up both trademarks as part of the Treaty of Versailles in 1919.
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blaspirin.htm

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#1732922 - 02/08/12 04:27 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: Sticky_Icky]
davidmalmolevine Offline
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"Discovered asprin? or made a synthetic version of a plant chemical found in willow bark? Talk about rewriting history."

The two are not exclusive. I don't believe there is enough willow bark to replace all the Aspirin currently in use.
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#1732923 - 02/08/12 04:30 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: Sticky_Icky]
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BMJ. 2000 December 23; 321(7276): 1591–1594.
PMCID: PMC1119266
Copyright ฉ 2000, BMJ
The discovery of aspirin: a reappraisal
Walter Sneader, deputy head
Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences, University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G4 0NR
w.e.sneader@strath.ac.uk

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119266/?tool=pmcentrez



The real proof that Aspirin was invented by Eichengrun is that Eichengrun had 40 patents to his name, and Hoffmann was moved to the sales department after he supposedly "invented" Aspirin ... if he was truly the inventor, why wouldn't he be promoted to head of research?
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#1732925 - 02/08/12 04:33 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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The first person to do so was a French chemist named Charles Frederic Gerhardt. In 1853



That's the truth. Liar liar, pants on fire.

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#1732941 - 02/08/12 06:09 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: Sticky_Icky]
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Gerhardt invented acetylsalicylic acid - Eichengrun invented Aspirin by rediscovering it in Gerhardt's writings. You and IG Farben may try and lie about Aspirin's true origin just as Ted lies about his role and the lack of importance WAMM and the BCCCS had in paving the way for his club to exist, but true historians will always be around to tell the truth and expose the lies.
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#1732954 - 02/08/12 09:30 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: davidmalmolevine]
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Blah blah blah blah = DML

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#1732966 - 02/08/12 11:16 PM Re: Malmos Beef [Re: GreenAlien]
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It's as if he can't read, and comprehend.

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