great info OG man im sure i will reference this log sevral times....

thats what i like about the OG man he never downgrades what your using and is always trying to drive down cost ..thats key to a sucsesfull grow op.

Very helpful og

Just a quick question what is the time line difference in growing inside in soil and hydro. Seems to me if the light is the same grow time should at least be close to the same.

Properly done, organics, can produce nearly the same results as hydro. Many hold the opinion that the end result is what really counts when talking organic vs. hydro.

Depends on what your talking about, Organics as far as sustainability, quality and health-wise is superior. I have nothing against Organic hydroponics or aquaponics but Inorganic fertilizers contain chelating salts, like EDTA (which is sourced from things like formaldehyde and cyanide), which "force feed" the nutrients to the plants roots which are already in plant absorbable forms, which is why over feeding and salt build up can be an issue. Chelating salts increase the roots ability to absorb nutrients as well, but it also increases the plants ability to absorb heavy metals (which inorganic fertilizers have a lot of always check MSDS of any products before use) as well as other chemical compounds like the EDTA. This is often why inorganic fertilizers will yield slightly more/larger fruit/veggies, not because they are larger vegetables thus with more nutrient value, but the opposite, because they have more heavy metals and other chemical compounds in the plant tissue and they actually have a lower nutrient value vs organically grown fruit/veggies. This build up of chemicals/salts in the plants can not be flushed out due to the fact it was used to build cellular structures when absorbed into plant tissue, this is why cannabis grown with synthetic/chemical fertilizers (even if they are partially organic or "organic based") will burn a hotter cherry temperature and therefore will be harsher to smoke with more contaminants in the plant matter effecting the flavor and smell chemically as opposed to naturally. Also take note that organic acids (in liquid forms) like fulvic and humic acid act in similar ways to chelating salts by force feeding nutrients that are already in plant usable form, but they do not increase the uptake of heavy metals and other chemicals we dont want. Liquid fulvic and humic acid can kill/piss off the microbiology in your soil so it is best to stay away from products with lots of liquid fulvic/humic acids, unless you are growing "soup style" organics. While hydroponics will allow you to grow plants more quickly and harvest sooner it is in my opinion that utilizing organic soil growing methods produce far superior quality product due to the symbiosis of nature and the cannabis being closer to its natural form.

And that would be the long version of what I was saying. topcat1666, it would seem that many hold the opinion that hydro tends to veg a little bit faster than organic. When it comes to flowering time, both methods tend to take the same amount of time.

Excellent read...as an organic farmer, I appreciate another perspective and someone putting the info put there for others to share and grow with. I have been playing with teas recently and I have been getting some interesting results. this year was a bust as the drought fucked everything up because of lack of time. Very good read...I will follow this thread for sure and input when I can.

Just a little tid bit of advice that I've been doing. when adding molasses to tea/water/whatever. take a small bottle (I use a twist cap gatorade bottle) fill it most of the way with HOT water, then add your molasses to this and shake it up (add some yucca extract and you have roots carbo load) I say hot water because it keeps the molasses more liquid. add this to your water and voila.

Great read OG and everyone...lookin forward to going organic...thanks for the informative post!