Your argument has no facts or proof ,my argument has lots of scientific facts and proof .

I thought he gave a few facts in this thread, like if God can't have just been here why could matter have just been here? etc Those who choose to do so see those who refuse to see seek.

Can you see beyond our universe? Can the hubble telescope see outside of our physical reality? And yet you postulate lengthy imaginary paintings about millions of universes outside our own.

Can you count to 15 billion? Can anyone? And yet you postulate lengthy discussions about what happened 15 billion years ago, as though it were possible for ANY human being to know, as though it were "scientific" fact.

This is absurd. Your "scientific" theories are just that, "theories", paintings of the imgaination, all confined to the elements of our universe and never beyond.

God can be a self starter. Our universe can not. That is a scientific and logical fact.

any science that denies an "uncaused cause" is science so falsely called, because it denies reality.

I hope your correct Antipas but I doubt it .Ill take my chances and worry about burning in hell later .

When you perfect your fear you will understand the beauty of hell and realize that it is nothing to worry about

There might be some truth to that, but it's WAY more fun threatening people with hell!

Here's a sermon for ya poundzogreen! Remember, Hell's not empty! All that feel good nobody goes to hell preaching is uvthadevil, trying to get you to dron your guard!
HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m-uR7RumaA

You know what you can do with your sermon Antipas ,shove it right up your ....

LOL! I love those old fire and brimstone sermons of old. That was a classic, Johnny Edwards, "sinners in the hands of an angry God". It's pretty good for 1600's entertainment.
They make good halloween stories!

one of my favorite things to do is stakeout atheist baby Jesus haters. And if they have young kids, like say little girls about 5 or 6, I'll catch them in the park and preach them that sermon, and let them know all about hell and how atheists are going there for eternity.

That sounds about right .Get them brainwashed before they are old enough to know better .If people want to find this imaginary God they will ,no need to ram it down peoples throats .Why push your thoughts onto others .Let them make there own minds up .