Thank You frmrgrl .............

happy New Year! celebrating the new year with LA's ogkush.

Which OG are we talking about...SFV, Abusive or ??? They're all clone only and something gets lost in translation when trying to turn those into beans.

^^^I heard the bubba and OG kush werent worth a damn from seed. I see greenhouse has both now, any opinions? If bub, and OG were clone only, and now theres seeds, think there will be some purple urkel, or Grandaddy purp seeds anytime soon?

here's a good hybrid while you wait :
http://www.hempdepot.ca/seeds/TGA/Querkle.htm

Diesel,Chemdog,OG Kush,Sour Deisel.

Originally posted by JJ-NYC
Let me give everyone a history lession about the Diesel. The Chem Dawg
was a unknown indica strain(Kush,HP,or NL?) old school, from
Colorodo. (Does anyone know what strain or its orgin?)This is the
orginal NYC DIESEL. Two friends met on Dead tour. A pound of Chem
was mailed to Mass. around 93-94.Seeds were found and started.My
friend met Mass.G. at Phish tour 93-94.Clones of the Chem Dawg and
Super Skunk made their way to NYC. With no male,The Weasel crossed a
Sensi NL male with the Super Skunk. Took a male and crossed it with
the Chem Dawg creating the Underdawg Diesel or (Diesel no.1,Headband
Diesel,or Daywrecker Diesel).Another strain in his room the DNL
(NL/Shiva(RFK)/Hawiian cross) self seeded the Under Dawg a seed was
grown and The Sour Diesel was created, no planned breeding, it just
happened. This is the Diesel gospel. Everything else is BS including
soma (who the fuck is soma?) I challenge anyone who questions this
fact, for I have been involved with the Diesel since it came to NYC.

Originally posted by ThaDocta
soma got his diesel from a bagseed from a buddy from NYC or at least
thats how soma described it. his diesel could be an s1 of original
diesel, underdawg, sour d, or any other b/c it sounds like all of
them in nyc gets mixed up pretty easily (due to similar heritage)
unless youre really in the loop and have access to all of them and
know heritage. that leaves a range of options for soma's expression
of his bagseed diesel momma. and yes, his nyc diesel is not pure
diesel, his first hybrid that won the awards was that diesel bag
momma cross shanti's afghani/hawaiian male. i believe the current
seeds sold by soma are a first backcross to his diesel mom.
So.....

Original Diesel = (SensiNL X MassSuperSkunk) X Dawg/Chem
Sour Diesel = [(SensiNL X MassSuperSkunk) X Dawg/Chem] X DNL
Soma's NYCD = Diesel Bagseed (probably orig, not sour) X (Afghani X Hawaiian)
DNL = RFK X Hawaiian
RFK = NL X Shiva

The sativa comes from skunk. Two different types Mass. Super Skunk,
which was in the Under Dawg Diesel and RFK skunk which was bred into
the DNL. The newest confirmed breeding. The DNL was a RFK skunk
female/Hawiain male x NL male. The breeding on this strain has been
very unclear over the years . First thought to be a Diesel x NL cross
(thats how it got its name DNL) this plant grows tall and streches
very similar growth to the Sour.

RFK was a skunk strain developed from seeds found in a bag scored at
the 90-91? Dead shows at RFK there were 3 different versions of RFK
Skunk 1,2,3. The strain was given to a friend with some Hawaian
seeds(still investagating source) and he crossed the two. Had a
female and added some NL pollen(investagating source) creating the
DNL, which hermi and seeded the Under Dawg Diesel. I know its
confusing. But I think it should be like this...

Original Diesel = Dawg/Chem X (MassSuperSkunk X SensiNL)
Sour Diesel = Original Diesel X DNL
DNL = (RFK Skunk X Hawaiian) X NL
RFK = Skunk strain from RFK dead Shows 90-91

Some of the breeding was planned and some not. The Sour was not
planned. The RFK's and stuff was around before the Diesel. Once
they got a hold of the Chem they started breeding what they had into
it. The DNL was the orginal cash crop before the Diesel and Sour. But
was phased out after being taken over by the Diesel. Only the orginal
breeder and a few have the strain now. Many different crosses were
made seeds still exsist but are over 10 years old. Once they created
the Diesel they were contempt and stopped breeding.

Chemdog

This is for rezdog the sour diesel is in fact a total mistake the
chemdog which was started in co from a very old farmer got seeds to a
person in ma not cali which was started then in 91. It was the best
bud i have ever smoked smelled or tasted. By 1993 it was the sickest
shit around. Then the kids met these guys from ny at a phish show and
they were begging the kids for a cutting which at that point was
scarce.The kids were very tight and knew they had something special.
We then became good friends and the kids traded the chem dog for a
super skunk which is better then any skunk i have seen.We made
promises to not give the shit away it was the bomb. Now this is were
we get a little pissed off but are over it by now the nyc guys didnt
like the name chem dog so they had a idea to chang the name to DIESEL.
So the orig Chem dog is Diesel so what happend next explains the
Sour The kids in ma had the best shit around everybody wanted the
Chem dog people were coming up from albany to get the Diesel in bud
form and they found some seeds in one batch. The super skunk that the
kids were growing hermd and hit the chem dog aka diesel and the albany
crew started those seeds and named it sour diesel also the orig
chemdog aka diesl is og kush. its Chem dog also the ma kids are the
only ones who have orig seeds of chem dog aka diesel still from the
early 90s everybody got cuttings the kids still have 6 seeds left.
hope you all find this info helpful i will soon give full details
about the chem dog,sour diesel,diesel,og kush.Its time to settle all
the bullshit that people seem to know peace to all

Guys your all right except the the og kush is a hermi seed from the
chem dog from back in 96 their were only two people in the day to
take the chem dog to the west coast it first hit lake tahoe. My
friends chem dog got stressed and hermi a little so he decide to try
the few seeds and the buddy who gave the chem dog seeds to us said
the old farmer said it hade kush in it so my buddy to this day thinks
its a strain of the orig kush and said if the ny kids can change the
name from chem dog lets call the west coast version OG kUSH that is
the truth. If anybody ever smoked the chem dog back in the day early
90s it taste like the sour but fifty times more The chem dog is the
mom of the sour so basicly the og kush is a newer seed of the orig
chem dog. peace to all. wmposse if any of you have questions let me
know also i wanna talk to this rez dog guy because he claims no one
has seeds of these strains well iam the only one with true males and
females of the Chem dog,Sour diesel,Bubble chem, i have crossed a
male Chem dog Aka Diesel with all of Sensi seeds good females already
back in 96 they have been in storage since then and i know are still
viable because the me kids just started the Super dog which is the
Superskunk crossed with the chemdog and its sick enjoy the info a lot
more to come

Part of what you say is true. But you have some of the facts mixed
up. First of all, I go way back to the begining 92-93. my good friend
from NY, was the one who got the Chem Dawg and Super Skunk first.
And yes the Chem was first called Diesel because people did not like
the name and because it was the "Cock Diesel" But you don't talk
about the next strain created from the Chem Dawg. Also known as
UnderDawg, Daywrecker, Diesel no.1 (Chem Dawg x super skunk/NL) from
this the Sour was born hermied from the DNL(skunk). That is were it
gets its vigorous growth and some of the taste. Any one who has grown
or smoked it would know. And yes the Albany kids were the first to
"find " the Sour, the "bro" and his crew did not invent it. It was
grown out of seeds found in head bags bought in NYC. The upstate kids
were begging for a cutting of either Diesel and wound up with bag
seed to grow. Thats fact.

Ya lost me man. lol

the orig Chemdawg aka Diesl is OG kush.

Some breeders are doing chemdawg seeds now.

GrowDan

wow, I must be a stoner, I actually read all that!

Ok so like today I visited this joint for the first time. Very small collective with one very strange owner. He claims to not just be the the creator of OG kush. That the whole Kush phenomena was started solely by him. Which is complete bullshit.

This guy told me and everyone in the shop that after creating OG he drove all of his P1 stock, flowers, seeds, Bubba p1 and other creations from Florida to socal in 96. Within a week of living in socal he smoked B real out with kush for the fist time. Which was the conception of the soul assassins crew. Oh yea his nickname is bubba and thats how bubba got her name. Purple Kush, The White, Socal Master Kush, Iron Maiden, Herijuana OG, and Pure Kush are also "his creations". His shop is selling his most recent cross "kurple fantasy"(purps x OG ). Which is noting more than oaksterdam DJ Shorts Flow clone.

This guy is connected with Broadway wellness center. Unless you want to stop in and give them shit. I would advise avoiding both clubs like the black pelage. Fraud!