Have you taken clones from both types of plants as well? I always avoid them because I clone and heard that cloning from fem. plants didn't work out that well for whatever reason.

Many people have heard that Tango Nation. Its patently false and thats why i posted the thread. There are numerous myths about femmed seeds. A couple more are the belief that fems don't make good mothers or that you shouldnt breed with them.

I have a feminized blueberry mother that came from Dutch passions feminized line. I found her about 2 years ago and would stack her up against anybody's blueberry mother. i clone her all the time. I breed her too.

I currently have a sensi star ,a blue hash and a biddy early femmed plants that are almost ready to start taking cuttings from for the summmer outdoor grow. Ive grown and cloned dozens of feminized plants and cant tell any difference between the 2. A femmed versions clones the same way a regular seed plant would clone.

The same can be said for mothers and breeding. Femmed mothers are fine as my beautiful,tasty bb mom is wonderful. The only difference ive seen in breeding with feminized seeds is that the offspring has a higher number of females.

People resist change and there are many myths and false reports on feminized seeds.

i really think the whole fad on femm seeds is brought around by lazy wanna be growers who dont care to read up and learn, with a small portion being those who either need them with no clone room or such, or just people who dont care and want em that way...either way if ur wanting to keep hearty genes dont buy femme. i mean think about it, femme seeds come from a genetic mutation.....def thanks earl

that simply isnt true, i can tell the difference between my lemon haze and sour diesel harvests(lh againt lh and sd against sd), if u cure your bud from this harvest in a bunch of small jars (i mean 1 bud per jar), waited...u should be able to tell a small difference between each bush, and each harvest, atleast i can

look at sammy sosa, line him up against his current team and they all have same build, but not all use steroids, by seperating each member and looking at them, u still couldnt tell by looks that he used roids, maybe if u stood him next to babe ruth you could lol but not everything can be simply judged by its cover, otherwise where did the saying come from? imo

Hope all breeders don't go "fem". Tried bunch of GH fems to prove what i was reading about how bad they are, especially me being a Mr Nice fan. Just ordered some more fems from GH (lemonskunk), and a bunch from Barneys. I'll use em as long as they suit me. i do get a few male flowers on lower branches, easy to see and pick off, not on LS or the majority of strains tried. I'd never breed with them (not a breeder anyway) or cross them or even clone them. It really is another sign of the end of the world though!!

I'm a beginner so I dont want to come off like a know it all - And this can be posed as a question actually.

I have heard breeders (specifically the guys from DNA and THSEEDs) talk about this and they say that if you start with stable genetics, the feminized seeds will remain stable as female. If the genes are bad, you'll have a mix of male, hermi, and females in the seeds.

Seems a simple concept to me. Buy from reputable breeders.

on a side note-

Why Fems are so popular? Beacuse Johnny law DEA counts plants. The more you have the worse off you are if caught. Using Fem genes reduces the amount of plants you need to grow out.

Nice link & info...

I would worry... tho hermatizm may be strange and
it is natural...

with a fem-field in the wild, how would you stop any of the Flips...stainin your ladies...impossible
could be a waste of time. money, effort...
may as well roll the dice.

any more info on the gerbilic acid fems...are they the same as hemr-fems? this is interesting topic

Also...how to stress test fems...what stressing processes should be used?

your input would be greatly appreciated.

L8r ...thanx

bump- i agree with that also...

i've heard(read) that late harvest stress thingy also.

bring down fem-herm ratio by stressing multiple fem to
find the one that has less tendence to herm...
you'll get less seed but less tendency to herm also.

can you cube the fem...or stabalize her by F-n her down?

stress testing males may also give good balance to breeding
out hermyizm(is that a word...lol)

anybody tried this system(stress) with males?

don't like the idea of cemicals
(it may make em hit more homeruns...but breed with em)
thinx not

Some of you are getting the idea. I have mothers from feminised seed that are just fine. However I see far lower stress tolerance in some fem seed. How low? The shock of 24 hours light to 12/12 being all that is needed. However, just ONE outcrossing to a true male boosts stress resistance to herms, how much? Nearly zero.

Why are seeds being made fem only? Thats the real question, and the answer is to with hold genetics. You are left dumb and at the mercy of the seed banks. After a few years regular seed is made available and you have a chance at deriving a good male to begin the long road of breeding. But alas they have a 2 year head start on you.

It takes years under the best circumstances to find select phenotypes suitable for breeding, and even longer to stabilize them. The general rule of thumb is that when you see a new strain come out of the big amsterdam seed banks it has been in development for an average of 8 years.

oh well.

i agree that feminized seeds are an important part of outdoor gorilla gardens. imagine having to plant twice as many beans to have the same result