so are you saying that you have these seeds?.....wanna trade?

also recall that a lot of the original clones that went to Amsterdam in the early 80's didnt have matching males, so crosses to Skunk #1 was quite common for early seed selections from SSSC..they were also prone to make hybrids from IBL's like Malawi x Afghani for example..

I just feel that most seed banks weren't in a position to produce long flowering, tempermental strains that had little or no commercial value at that time..

as of late, I 'm working with land race Africans like Swazi's..many African sativas have started to become outbreed to other more productive strains, and some old African classics like Rooi Baird are no longer around for the most part..



as for IBL SE Asians..their sexual expression issues make them a lot harder to work with, and many breeders take shortcuts with em, and cross em out to a more stable Indica..I think that's what a few of the Dutch ch the Juicy Fruit company's did with the Juicy Fruit clone??

If you think you're getting AG, CG or P.Red in any way from native populations and you think these are the same as in the 80s then I have some nice land for ya in South Florida.

think your wrong on this one bro.

So true ICS. Both of my Thai strains have hermie traits. We spoke of this before ICS...remember? I worked hard to get a stable mom for the SE Thai, and sometimes I still get a hermie clone now & then. My step bro worked w/ SSSC back in the mid 80's, he is my main source for seeds, other than the old Nam vet that gave me some Laos strain which I grew outdoors for years before I was hit on the LSD charges. My Santa Marta, Thai, and Mexi strains may not be 100% pure, but I can promise you they are the closest thing to the original, and definately closer to the original than any of the seed banks sell commercially. My Thai all have hermie traits, and it takes many attempts to get a halfway stable female, have never gotten a male b/c they are either hermie or female, and often the females show hermie traits later in the flowering period. My Thai both take a min. of 12 weeks, my Santa Marta takes about 15 weeks, often closer to 16 weeks. I have yet to work w/ the new Mexi strains my bro sent from his travels to Mexico, Central and South America. I just got them recently and have not the room. I received to 20 of each Mexi strain. One is a very small seed, almost microdot sized, the other is about the same size as the SMG seeds, but still small. Give me about 7 more weeks on some Thai I have flowering and I will drop you a report on how they look and what tendencies possess. My step bro says they are long ones also, about 12-14 weeks.

Love the old African strains, was not sure any were still around, other than the Durban. How about an update of your work w/ these strains?

peace oz


Oh, you have some land in south florida....cool, why don't you go there. I have been growing since 1984, my step bro since 1978. I think we know what we are doing and what we are growing.

provide some proof.

I think his previous post pretty much did prove it.

Yes, pretty much. If you have purchased a Thai strain, and did not get a hermie, IMO it is not a pure Thai strain. In fact, Nevil use to warn of this in his Seed Bank catalogs back in the 80's. Thai strains are all known to have hermorphidite traits, as do a few other Asian strains. The only way any seed bank or breeder has found to stablize this is to cross it which down grades the pure genetics. There is no pure Thai strain sold in the commercial seed market today, I believe either Nevil's Seed Bank or SSSC was the last to actually market a pure Thai strain.

You see, I will brake down some history here for people that may not know. The Netherlands did not always grow the super hybrids of today. In the early 80's they had a couple impressive strains; for instance Green Lemon and The Purple. Eddie Reekeder(Flying Dutchman), Nevil(Seed Bank), and Ben Dronkers(Sensi Seeds) were the first 3 Holland growers to pioneer skunk strains, prior to 1984 Hollands cannabis was slightly above avg. Only after they aquired seeds from an American Breeder only known as "The Skunk Man" did the Holland Cannabis scene take off. The strains they aquired were Skunk#1, Early California, Haze, Thai, Mexican, Afghan, Santa Marta Columbian, and South African(Durban I believe). My step bro introduced me to Skunk in 1984, the exact same year the early pioneers of breeding in Amsterdam aquired the Skunk 1 seeds. He had aquired Skunk seeds, Santa Marta, and Thai from the west coast growers back in the ealry 80's. SSSC came after this, which is how I know ICS knows what he is talking about b/c they aquired clones rather than seeds. You see, the 3 pioneers of breeding in the Netherlands were Eddie Reekeder, Nevil, and Ben Dronkers.(correct me if I'm a little off here ICS, for I'm doing this from my memory.) I only grew the Skunk once before I was busted in 87, before I aquired seeds I grew an Afghani and a SE Asian strain. My step bro has maintained his collection of strains taking great caution in how each is grown. He still breeds b/c he is never satisfied w/ his collection. He went back to Rotterdam in the late 80's after I was arrested for LSD b/c he felt the US Gov't was far to hypocritical of growers. He was the lucky one b/c his father was from the Netherlands and had moved back after our mother divorced him and married my father.

after my release from Federal Prison, I contacted him about wanting to get back into growing for personal use. He sent me 5 strains, SE Thai, Santa Marta Gold, Skunk 1(unfortunately from SSSC, but still better than most others), a Thai cross he had been working on, and a Mexi/Thai crossed w/ Durban he had been working on. Recently he went to Mexico to obtain some pure Mexi strains. He could not get true AG, but felt the trip a success b/c he aquired Michoacan and Oaxaca, both very well known strains from days of old. You see, you may not believe they exist, but the natives of these Mexican states swear by their strains, so yes, they still exist.

I trust my step bro b/c of his experience and the people he has aquired seeds from and worked with in the past. I have no reason to question him and why would he have any reason to misleadme b/c the seeds he gives me are free. Even he states that many seed banks in Holland, and around the world burn out strains and try to backcross and/or cross in other genectics to keep the strain stable. Granted, my Thai is far from a stable strain b/c of the hermie traits, the Columbian is stable but takes forever to mature, but these are things we must deal with when wanting to grow pure strains.

People can have their AK's and Blueberry's, their purple strains, etc... and pay big $'s for them, me I'm proud of what genetics I possess and know the source is honest and sincere.

I wish I could feel secure in sharing my strains, but w/ the present laws in the US, it would place me at great risk to do so. Maybe someday we have the freedom to share such wonderful genetics.

peace & Merry Chirstmas to all.

oz

I'll post pics of the seeds, the seedling, the clone, the flowering mom,and the finished product after the New Year's..I think once you see it, you'll recognize it as a purebreed...no Blueberry, Afghani, NL #5, or Skunk in this one..

I wish I had as much trust as you do in forums ICS.

oz