I currently have a secret jardin dark room dr60, which I love by the way, and I am thinking about ordering a procyon 100 for vegging and flowering. I was turned onto the idea by Krimzon and by some grows on other fourms. I know HPS is cheaper but I love the idea of temps being easy to control and the fact leds aren't picked up on infared camreas as easy, or so i've heard. I currently have a 2ft 2 lamp T5 fixture and a blue led spotlight. I've been a member for some time now and have messed up my two attempts at indoor.

My question is am I over doing it with a procyon 100 in a 24x24x55 grow space or am I gonna get great results with the intensity of the light in such a small grow space. Thank you.

It's hard to overdo the lighting.
You're gonna want a broader spectrum, imo.

Hey man... funny you are enquiring about this. That's the exact grow space I have with the good old procyon (am growing in a DR60 right now!!). Currently growing autoflowers since I find the space is v limited and I like my plants under 2 feet. You'd be fine with a procyon in that space but i'd highly recommend you use an extraction fan (with carbon filter ideally obv) when running... since it is DR60 is v confined space for 1 Procyon. I say this since my first one burnt out and I suspect it was due to not moving enough air in a confined space (or possibly was a faulty unit or i had a power surge that blew it). So as a precaution I now run the extraction fan whenever the light is on. Procyon does generate some heat (and noise.. be warned!). But when extraction fan is on... it's cool as a cucumber. I have added in a CFL (26w) now it is flowering and will be adding in total a further 3 or 4 20-26w CFLS over next month... under the canopy and above the plants. I can't speak too soon... but I am very impressed so far. My worries about flowering being slower seem unjustified though I am only on the cusp (pistils are starting to show en masse only recently). So far I am on schedule (I chose autos since they stay low and follow their own schedule... not the 12/12 deal). Touch wood... things are looking good. Vegetative growth was initially slow to start with... then boomed... and easily matches my 250w HPS (I have a 400w in storage also)... possibly even as good as my 400w once it got going. Flowering so far... seems to match my 250w HPS... i think. We shall see. Put it this way... I am impressed and happy with it thus far. Final yield will dictate my final verdict. If keeps up at the rate it's going, I will be a v happy grower. Heat is no longer a concern and for that... I am very very very grateful and lovin it. Plants are v bushy and much bigger than I intended. Adding cheap Warm White CFLs helps fill out the spectrum and apparently makes the procyon work much better for flowering but I suspect you could easily get away without them (I only added first CFL 1st week after flowering and they were doing great without them though I have noticed difference in other peoples grows who add them in... so I am following hte masses). Hope this helps in your decision. BTW Dr60 is a bitch to fit all my kit into but is the right size tent for me. Getting carbon filter, tubing, lights etc all in there takes some engineering! Cheers.

One other thing... can someone point me to Krimzon's grow that has impressed people? Would really appreciate hte pointer.

EDIT: Found his post but can't now delete this one. Oh well.

Greenfinga thank you for all the info. you sold me on the procyon. Glad you found krimzons grow. Im getting a can fan with the carbon filter for an outake and another one, with out filter obv, for an intake. Im just doing one clone in a scrog and will have a mother in the smaller dark room. The one plant is gonna be trained awhile to fill the scrog canopy. I didn't expect the dr60 to be so big when it came but it sounds like it perfect for my needs. I'll make sure the procyon gets constant air flow when its running like you said. 550 is alot of money but it looks like it will be worth it once I get frosty nugs!

Got any pics of ur seup greenfinga? Thanks for the info!!!

Edit: oh yeah how much noise are we talking about here when the light is running? thanks.

Hey Hazy Vision, I'm not trying to sell it to you. I'm not even finished with my tests yet! I definitely think if you are going to test it... buy some cheap CFLs to add to it when flowering begins (definitely no need before then). I had heard add the CFLs in the last few weeks beneath the canopy to boost the spectrum. I've also seen guys just hanging CFLs above the plants with pretty good results. Way I'm doing it is incrementally adding CFLs. For now 1 26w... in next couple of days another 20w... then come another couple of weeks another 2x CFLs and possibly getting a final one under canopy soon after that. Whole point of LED grows... is low heat and low electrical signature. Hence thats why I am adding CFLs in this way.

I think it's important to keep the plants small so your scrog would be ideal. Despite the DR60 being bigger than you might have expected it's definitely small when you try to squeeze plants in!! I have 3 females... 1 Easy Ryder (Ak47 x lowryder 2), 1 White Moscow (Basically White Widow x Ak47 x Lowryder) and 1 blueberry (Lowryder x Blueberry)... they have grown far bigger than I was trying to keep them. They're only in 1 gallon pots for the exact reason I want to keep the plants small. Problem is... they're growing too bloody well!! Without the CFLs I was only having to feed the plants maybe every 5-6 days. Now with 1 cfl, it;s about 4-5 and with extra CFLs I expect that to become even more frequent (Maybe feed every 3-4 days).

I'm still unsure about flowering ability here so I don't want to oversell the Procyon till I am further into the grow. Things are looking very encouraging but it's still too soon to give a verdict. I'm at day 32 of a 70-77 day grow.. as I said before the plants are looking far too big as opposed to what I intended. The plants are definitely growing better than expected but I need to keep my fingers crossed over the next important few weeks.

BTW - I deliberately chose a range of seeds to see which varieties respond best to LED. It is really important you choose a good strain for LED. They are not all equal... that's for sure!! The White Moscow is leading the way and looks spot on. The Easy Ryder is a bush with pistils shooting up but is a little behind White Moscow. The Blueberry Auto has grown the tallest of all (it was the midget originally!).. and throwing out pistils... but I am worried it might not bud up as well as other 2.. since it has grown very very tall in a small amount of time (with a fat stem). I also have 4 new plants in the tent... 2x auto low life blueberry, 1x Easyryder, 1x Low Life AK47. It's more of a squeeze than when I was growing similar plants under 250hps for sure. I am gonna wait till the new girls sex up (all seeds are femmed)... then gonna have to take the call whether keep 2 or try to squeeze 3 extra in. I had 6 plants in my tent before but this time... they are way bushier. Gonna be real interesting. looking like I will have at least some bud bang on for Christmas (dried and then cured for 5 days.. at least be vaguely smokable!). Even if the yield does suffer... from what I have heard... LED grown bud is very resinous and dank. BTW Autoflowers seem to love LED. If you keep this thread alive... I may well pop back with some pictures. I want to wait till the bud properly fills out first though. I'm at that stage where I am crossing my fingers cos all looks very encouraging but next 2-3 weeks will tell all. So far have been taking handheld videos for personal enjoyment. Need to get a new camera though for sharing online. Gonna buy one soon.

Coming back to the air flow when running... in hte manual for Procyon (which is rather limited) it does suggest to make sure there is good air flow. And be warned... these lights are fucking bright. I installed an additional CFL at roof of tent which I turn on when I want to inspect plantsb (I turn off the Procyon when inspecting obv). My eyes cannot hack it with Procyon on... also means my neighbours don't seem some freaky suspicious pink light filling up my room! As far as noise goes... it's basically a computer fan running full pelt. Might not sound that bad but it is actually quite loud. My extractor fan sounds less instrusive than it because it's a low gushing sound (it has a step down capacitor running it quiet)... the procyon fan is a high whirring sound. However, it's impossible to hear through the wall (I have tested ;))... but you will notice it if your tent is freestanding in a room (only when you enter the room). I had the setup in a closet for a while and when the closet door was shut... it was pretty good. I still wouldn't want visitors though coming into the grow room itself. And it would be annoying to sleep through but possible. Anyway... if you do invest. Keep me posted. Us Procyon users must stick together

btw - You say you are getting 2 fans? one for Intake and one for outake? Sounds unneccessary man. I have just the one RUCK 100 (or RVK 100) that sits on top of the tent (for the my current setup it is hanging inside tent but it easier to have on top of tent). Carbon filter is at top inside of tent at front left with piping leading to RUCK fan. Air is drawn in from the tent opening at bottom front right. 1 fan and carbon filter setup is more than sufficient. The fan setup blows back into the room I have things set up in. Smell is a little musky... but never funky/skunky. No need to chop holes in anything! Works a treat. I also have a ozone generator but carbon filter works so well... I don't really use it (if I do... it's only to help keep smells down in the main room when I working inside the tent and the flap is fully open letting all smells run wild)

I guess i'll have to get used to the noise cause the tent is in my room. it's sounds like you have a very nice setup. I was gonna have a fan for in take at the bottom but I guess that would useless with air being sucked out at the top. so i will leave one of the bottom vents open as a passive intake, with a filter so no unwanted pests get in. I was thinking of adding some low watt cfls later on during the flower, underneath like u said, to make sure those bottom nugs fatten up and to reduce the chance of mold. I don't smoke massive amounts like i use to so one plant per flower should be fine. That one plant is going to get all the attention so I hope to get a huge yeild. I keep hearing that when someone uses the procyon that the plants are always nice and short, wtih very good growth. I guess it sounds like we only have 2ft max with the dr60 for the plant so ill probably flower at 10-12 inches? After shes been trained of course. My buddy gratitously provided me with 2 clones of his "Lucky Fin", named after nemo. unfortunatley he gave them to me with some small flea like bug in the old soil he used, not mites but small gray flea like jumping bugs? I can't use my organic pest spray yet because the clones were just made but we'll see what happens. worst i just start up some diesel seeds i have and start over. I have a nikon d40 and im getting a macro lense, so in a couple of months maybe you'll see some nie nug shots, i hope! thanks for the advice greenfinga hopefully one day we see a shot of yours good luck with your babies!

Hey Hazy Vision... if I were you... I would try SCROG in the tent. Grow one beast of a plant with scrog and netting. 2 Feet is the max for me (And I guess you). You can LST things or you might want to consider topping after 3rd or 4th node... top twice if Lucky Fin is a strain that likes topping. It will keep the plant smaller and give you 4 colas. S'what I did last time and kept plants good size with lots of bud. If you flower after 10-12 inches, depending on the strain you could still end up with beasts. Once flowering actually kicks in, the plants can triple in size. Some plants just keep on growing. Depends on the strain. I think you should consider topping, LST'ing in a spiral shape (this is a v good method.. keep plant size down but giving many cola) or SCROG.

Re the mites - those sound like spring tails to me. I actually have a fungus gnat problem that I thought I had contained but that bastards have come back again. Thankfully I have some solutions for killing the larvae and fly traps to catch the adults. Google "spring tail" and see if those are what you have. You should be able to find something that won't affect the clones that will keep them under control.

Re noise... I think the most sensible thing for you to do is set the hours so that when in 18/6... you have the light off when you sleep as much as possible. I had mine kicking off at 1.30 and kicking on at 7.30. Once it's 12/12 less of a problem. Plan in advance cos I promise you... you'll be grateful if you get the hours that least interupt your sleep. Other simple solution is to get some ear plugs . Sound it not that loud but as with all things... in dead of night... all sounds are amplified.

You want to know my biggest dilemna at mo? I am desperate to squeeze in another 3 babies for the 2nd run but I think I will be lucky if I can fit in 2 extra. I've staggered the autos so that one batch is ready for Xmas... the other for 9th of January. This was partly by accident since I ended up with more males than expected from my FEMINIZED seeds! I think I am just going to squeeze in and cut off some palm leaves to make as much space as I can. Gonna be interesting!! Still researching my options with LST.

As far as photos... yeah man. I will most probably come back and post some for you. Depends on whether you keep this thread alive or not. Won't be for a while though. Will prob start a new thread and PM you when I do. Am just about to order a new camera from Amazon.

Good luck with you grow as well!!

PS oh yeah - your passive intake idea is exactly what I do... but without a filter... works absolutely fine.

Sorry... I am boring you again. Your belief that the procyon grows small plants is wrong mate. I've seen huge plants grown using Procyon. I can also attest to the fact that my own plants are far bigger than expected/wanted. Don't bank on the light doing the work for you. It's also dependent on strain. Some strains just grow huge anyway... unless you LST, Scrog, or Top/Fim. Pot size should constrain plant size but will also affect yield. In your case I would for big pot and choose one a method of height control. A scrog would blow your mind with 1 or 2 plants. Just like Krimzon. G'luck!