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#1592118 - 11/06/09 07:41 PM Re: While researching Marc Emery... * [Re: MrCleanscreens]
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Originally Posted By: MrCleanscreens
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Find one US Justice Department Statement that agrees with this:
You might be amazed to find that US law is based on the Babylonian Code of Hammurabi."


The Code of Hammurabi is generally recognized as the foundation of Common Law in civilization. English Common Law is simply a continuation of this process. Can`t you ever get to the bottom of anything? Try Customary ,Civil, or Sharia law a few times and you`ll get to the point pretty pronto.



So you are saying America was founded on the Laws of Babylon? Gee now Revelation is making even more sense!

But in regards to the influence of the Code of Hammurabi on all civilization, what about South America, China, Africa? What about before 1901 when it was rediscovered after almost 2 millennia in the sand?

You couldn`t find a single reference to back that shit up. “One Nation Under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” where does that come from?

The Code of Hammurabi composed around 1750 BC, was but one of several sets of laws in the Ancient Near East. Earlier collections of laws include the Code of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (ca. 2050 BC), the Laws of Eshnunna (ca. 1930 BC) and the codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (ca. 1870 BC), while later ones include the Hittite laws, the Assyrian laws, and Mosaic Law. These codes come from similar cultures in a relatively small geographical area, and they have passages which resemble each other.

Paul was a creepy control freak.
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#1592172 - 11/07/09 04:19 AM Re: While researching Marc Emery... [Re: chrisbennett]
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".“One Nation Under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” where does that come from?"


The Pledge of Allegiance to the United States is an oath of loyalty to the republic of the United States of America, originally composed by Francis Bellamy in 1892. The Pledge has been modified four times since then, with the most recent change adding the words "under God" in 1954.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

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#1592180 - 11/07/09 05:55 AM Re: While researching Marc Emery... [Re: chrisbennett]
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"Oh really? where? who? Stop making shit up."

I am going with just about everyone that has spoken against your rantings. Are you saying no one has ever spoken agaisnt your BS?

"How about you explain why the annointing ritual which played such an important part in Christianity dissapeared?"

I believe it may have just been set aside like so many other things in the bible have been set aside. Slavery and stonings and so on.....

"Paul can clearly be shown to be in conflict with other Christian Gnostic groups, throughout the New Testament."

He sure can, but he can not be shown to have said anything about oils. A control freak would have said something about it don't cha think?

"It is likely his"

Here we go with that again. Leading the reader without any solid evidence?

"we can speculate that while ridding the land of Christian heretics, he had stumbled upon some of the sacraments which they used."

What kind of weed makes you blind for three days?

"Perhaps Saul [Paul]... was "blinded" for three days (Acts 9:8-9) by the Soma drink"

Or perhaps he had a vision like you did?

"likely served to magnify his already present neurosis"

Like again? Or maybe he didn't take anything as you speculated, and just happened to be crazy. We can speculate all manner of BS can't we?

"took the projections of his own haunted mind as divine revelations"

Hmmm, very interesting. I wonder if he smoked a thumb sized joint before his divine revelations?

" I have taken part in debates about my stuff on numbers of Christian sites, and generally they end up deleting it as they can't handle the information:"

More speculation. I would say it is because of your loud mouthed belligerence that your posts where deleated. But, we now see that you do know of others that have made good arguements agaisnt your BS. And get a load of this, no links were needed to do it.

"I`ve even done live national US radio, with Alan Colmes of Fox TV, (he's a lot like you) lots of angry christian calls, heaps of FUN!"

So you know your hurting the cause, yet you continue to do it for your personal gain? Yup, yer a real good activist ain't ya?

"Do Christians consult with gays before vote no on Gay marriage (Btw, you might like my material on Jesus being gay....)"

No thanks, I don't care for fiction that much.

"Do Christians consult with unwed mother's before they protest at abortion clinics?"

Is that what your doing, protesting jesus?

"Haha, no, that is likely a reference to epilepsy, which was confused with demon possession up untill medieval times."

Ah, more speculation. Likely is your best friend ain't it?

"Funnier how people have been coming to that same conclusion for 5500 years and counting, funnier you can't seem to grasp that FACT. cannabsi is the commanality i many traditions, myrhh and cinnamon, not so much. But all things are sacred."

That plant does not bring people closer to any gods. It just makes them stoned.

"What are wine and bread to Catholics? are they any more than wine and bread? is that silly? Did you consult with Christians before coming to that conclusion?"

I didn't come to any conclusion on wine and bread. I will now though. It is just wine and bread. No need to consult anyone, I know what it is. I am not speculating about it, it is a fact that it is just wine and bread.

"What about Peyote and the Natvive American Church? Ayahuasca? are they "just plants and nothing more"?"

Yes, they are just plants.

From your links to the oily ones.

" Nothing better than a full body anointing massage"

I love a good oil massage too. They sell the oils needed for that at the porn store down the street.

"Well considering that my first two books took me 5 years each, there is not much of a payback cash wise."

Maybe you should write better books? Your trying to make money off of controversy using the cause as a starting place for the controversy. I can see through you man. It ain't hard to see what really motivates you.

"I can tell you quite truthfully that it is purely a labour of love and devotion - it is what i am driven to do."

Sure it is man, I believe ya. LOL! Love of money anyway....

"Pffffffffft. My books are gounded in solid documentation"

Speculation is BS. Your books rely on tons of speculation. You know it, and so do I.

"And lots of accounts of miraculous healing"

Have you ever seen Benny Hinn?

"Actually,the body makes its own cannibinoid like molecules, that is why we can get stoned. Getting stoned is as natural as eating carrots, or drinking milk. Don't forget to take your vitamin THC!"

Funny that you can't get stoned without consuming something though. Weed is a drug. It fits the discription. Get over yourself and accept it. The body is just fine without thc. Stoned is not a normal function of the body at all.

"where do you disagree with those statements? Those are clearly facts,and there are lots more where that came from, I didn't include lots of cultures that used cannabis for spiritual purposes, in the exact same way I do."

You just wanna get high, nothing more. Your building your desire to get high into a source of income and fame. Thats is all your doing, and all you will ever do. You are no hero, your nothing more then a leech sucking the life out of the movement.

"Including supressing information?... no thats just what you would do."

Yes, I would if it was best for the cause to do so. If I knew my speculations were hurting the movement I would stop using those speculations for personal gain and continue my exploring in private.

"But then,you are not an activist, and really, who even cares about your opinion?"

LOL, it would seem you care, as you have been crying to me for days now. As for you being an activist, rotflmao@yourBS.com. You promote nothing but an agenda of you. You are your cause and nothing more. You latched onto the movement to make money and to boost your ego. You do more harm to the movement with your speculation then good, and you are proud of it. You are an anti-activist.

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#1592225 - 11/07/09 08:39 AM Re: While researching Marc Emery... [Re: Warlord]
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Wartroll -I am going with just about everyone that has spoken against your rantings. Are you saying no one has ever spoken agaisnt your BS?

Sure there have been lots of people who have been upset, but then they have responded with BS, like you. What was your's or their specific point of contention? Try not to go into another unfounded "BS rant".

Christian arguements never developed beyond the point of that Jesus' miracles came through the power fo God, not an actual medicinal herb.

Is that your view, Jesus performed actual miracles by the power of God?


A typical educated religious response is kind of like this one from a well known Rabbi, (who remains unnamed out by his request and out of my loyalty to the Jewish friend who introduced us):

"Incense (and smoke) are all important parts of what the Jewish people did in the Desert as part of serving G-d. In fact, I'll even agree that perhaps Cannabis was one of the constituent ingredients in the incense. But there is no proof whatsoever that people were getting high! Any objective Torah Scholar or Rabbi who was asked about the total number of times getting high is mentioned in the Bible, or in the Talmud or Midrash, would answer "none". Cannabis incense or blankets, maybe -but getting high....remember the burden of proof is on you to prove that this is in fact what the Bible is saying. Otherwise, it's all conjecture. And let's face it, talk is cheap!"

So, I suppose he saw the miracle of the ancient Jews burning cannabis was them not getting high from burning cannabis incense! It is a troubling issue for him I am sure, because if Moses and the prophets were high when they were "talking" with God, this could challenge the legitimacy of the so-called Holy Scripture - good-bye ball and chain! Btw, did you know the founder of the Green Leaf Party in Israel, was inspired to start that after reading an article I wrote about the references to the Hebrew keneh-bosem? smile

Another thing that happens on Christian sites is that other people who have read my work, and have begun on a path of research of their own, end up on those sites and start arguing these points as well, some even come up with points I miss, and i appreciate the help I get in that regard! you can probably even find some of this by googling around on different spellings of keneh bosem, kaneh bosem, keneh bosm, etc., or Jesus cannabis. My co-author of Sex, Drugs, Violence, and the Bible, Neil McQueen, who worked as my research assistant, even went on to get his Masters in Religious studies with a thesis on the Holy oil. This guy has been doing a lot of work and rrecording Christian responses
http://www.freeanointing.org/
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=The...emb=0&aq=f#

Wartroll- I believe it may have just been set aside like so many other things in the bible have been set aside. Slavery and stonings and so on.....

where did the Bible put aside slavery?
`Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.` Colossians 3:22

Clearly you know nothing about the Bible! That explains why your arguements never go beyond the `that is BS!` stage.

Wartroll - He sure can, but he can not be shown to have said anything about oils. A control freak would have said something about it don't cha think?


No not at all, and for the same reasons that so many other Chrisitan texts were destroyed, in fact if someone hadn`t had the foresight to hide them, we would never have found the real story. The NT was put together about 350 AD and soon after the Dark Ages started, all of it was about editing history, You would have fit in well with that crowd - don't cha think?

Wartroll - Here we go with that again. Leading the reader without any solid evidence?

Yes it would be good if you could back up what you say with more than `that`s BS!`

``What kind of weed makes you blind for three days? ``

The Gnostics used all sorts of sacraments, witches flying ointments were a development of gnostic unguents.

Wartroll -Like again? Or maybe he didn't take anything as you speculated, and just happened to be crazy. We can speculate all manner of BS can't we?

Yes, you have shown you can speculate all sorts of `that`s BS!` it is gaining the support of experts that helps it fly. Where is the academic support for your `that`s BS!`? oh right you still haven`t found any, Lol.

Wartroll -we now see that you do know of others that have made good arguements agaisnt your BS.

Really? what arguements were those? Sad that you still need to make shit up. back it up or shut up.

CB- "Haha, no, that is likely a reference to epilepsy, which was confused with demon possession up untill medieval times."
Wartroll- Ah, more speculation. Likely is your best friend ain't it?

Well you are free to believe in Devils smile

Wartroll-Is that what your doing, protesting jesus?

No am liberating Jesus back to his Gnostic roots, watch me do it.


Wartroll -That plant does not bring people closer to any gods. It just makes them stoned.

Who are you to say that? what qualifications do you have? What does in your opinion bring one closer to god? Why do you think you know what brings other peopelcloser to god or not? Or is that just more of your BS?

Wartroll-Funny that you can't get stoned without consuming something though.

Funny that you get scurvy without vitmain C. You are proof of what happens with low THC. From Cannabis and the Soma Solution

As explained by Israeli researcher Lumír Ond ej Hanu , in his discussion of humanity’s ancient relationship with cannabis and the development of the (endo)cannabinoid system in both plant and man, the time span for European man’s relationship with cannabis is considerably vast:

``Recent discoveries from Southern Moravia in the Czech Republic provide circumstantial evidence of the oldest use of hemp. The inhabitants of the two most famous eastern Gravettian settlements, the upper paleolithic sites of Pavlov and Doln&#305;Vstonice some 29,000 to 22,000 years ago were expert weavers. The Czech archeologist Kl&#305;m unearthed clay fragments bearing a series of impressions from a zone that was radiocarbon dated to between 26,980 and 24,870 years ago.

``According to Adovasio, the impressions were almost certainly created from fabrics woven of fibers from wild plants, such as nettle or wild hemp, that were preserved by accident.

“Because the impressions of the Pavlov and Vestonice fibers are not of the highest resolution, it is presently only possible to specify which plants they may represent. In this case, it seems that nettle or, more remotely, wild hemp are possible choices whose presence in the area is attested to by pollen. If we had better impressions, it might be possible to specify with greater precision which of these two plant sources or some other plant source might be represented.” It is tempting to assume that this site may have produced the world’s oldest archeological evidence of Cannabis use. (Hanu , 2008)

Hanu time frame fits in well with Elizabeth Wayland Barber’s, who is considered the foremost authority on ancient textiles and weaving, and believe that hemp was used “since 25,000 B.C. at least” (Barber, 1999). In relation to the time period suggested, it is interesting to note that other scientists (again like Hanu top researchers in the field of the study of cannibinoids), have postulated that plant based cannibinoids ingested by ancient Man, may have been responsible for pre-historic man’s “Great Leap Forward”.

The study of cannabis has led to all sorts of new medical and scientific discoveries through investigations into the psychoactive and medicinal properties of the plant, found in plant ligands, that resemble the indigenous (endo)cannibinoids in the human body. The reason cannabis makes us high is that certain molecules in cannabis resins are able to mimic similar shaped molecules in the human body, and attach themselves to receptors in man’s brain and body. How these similarities between cannibinoids found in hemp and those in man developed is a subject of much current speculation, and theories about some sort of coevoletionary development have become the topic of current scientific thought. Doctors John McPartland and Geoffery Guy, in their fascinating paper, THE EVOLUTION OF CANNABIS AND COEVOLUTION WITH THE CANNABIS RECEPTOR – A HYPOTHESIS, postulate that a plant ligand, such as the cannibinoids of the hemp plant, “may exert sufficient selection pressure to maintain the gene for a receptor in an animal. If the plant ligand improves the fitness of the receptor by serving as a ‘proto-medicine’ or a performance-enhancing substance, the ligand-receptor association could be evolutionarily conserved” (McPartland & Guy, 2004).

``In a hunter-gatherer society, the ability of phytocannabinoids to improve smell, night vision, discern edge and enhance perception of colour would improve evolutionary fitness of our species. Evolutionary fitness essentially mirrors reproductive success, and phytocannibinoids enhance the sensation of touch and the sense of rhythm, two sensual responses that may lead to increased replication rates.

``Some authors have proposed that cannabis was the catalyst that synergised the emergence of syntactic language in Neolithic humans (McKenna, 1992) . Language, in turn, probably caused what anthropologists call ‘the great leap forward’ in human behaviour, when humans suddenly crafted better tools out of new materials (e.g. fishhooks from bone, spear handles from wood, rope from hemp), developed art (e.g. painting, pottery, musical instruments), began using boats, and evolved intricate social (and religious) organizations. This rather abrupt transformation occurred about 50,000 years ago… this recent burst of human evolution has been described as epigenetic (beyond our genes) – could it be due to the effect of plant ligands [i.e. plant based cannibinoids]? (McPartland & Guy, 2004)

Archaeological evidence indicating ancient man’s use of hemp 30,000 years ago fits within the time period for Man’s evolutionary ‘Great Leap Forward’. Considering that the location of the cannibinoid receptors are the greatest in the “cerebral cortex, striatum, basal ganglia, cerebellum and thalamus… humans ingesting phytocannibinoids” could have had a considerable evolutionary edge over non-cannabis using homo-sapiens.

It can be reasonably suggested that soon after agriculture started, if not at its very inception, the cultivation of cannabis began to spread widely, carrying its name and its cult with it. In his study on the botanical history of cannabis and man’s relationship with the plant, Dr. Mark Merlin put forth that “perhaps hemp was one of the original cultivated plants... [of] the progenitors of civilization” (Merlin, 1973). Merlin was not alone in this train of thought. In his THE DRAGONS OF EDEN: SPECULATIONS ON THE EVOLUTION OF HUMAN INTELLIGENCE, the late Carl Sagan also speculated that early man may have begun the agricultural age by first planting hemp. Sagan used the pygmies from southwest Africa to demonstrate his hypothesis; the pygmies had been basically hunters and gatherers until they began planting hemp which they used for religious purposes (Sagan 1977). More recently Entheobotanist Christian Ratsch explained:

``No other plant has been with humans as long as hemp. It is most certainly one of humanity's oldest cultural objects. Wherever it was known, it was considered a functional, healing, inebriating, and aphrodisiac plant. Through the centuries, myths have arisen about this mysterious plant and its divine powers. Entire generations have revered it as sacred.... The power of hemp has been praised in hymns and prayers.`` (Ratsch 1997)

It has been said that agriculture led to culture and perhaps in our cultivation of cannabis, the plant has in some way cultivated humanity? Archaeological evidence from 3,500 BC gives clear proof that European man was using cannabis as an incense and inebriant very early on.

end quote.


Wartroll- LOL, it would seem you care, as you have been crying to me for days now. As for you being an activist, rotflmao@yourBS.com. You promote nothing but an agenda of you. You are your cause and nothing more. You latched onto the movement to make money and to boost your ego. You do more harm to the movement with your speculation then good, and you are proud of it. You are an anti-activist.``

Well I`ve been laughing anyways, and I appreciate you giving me something to reflect my ideas off of, and post them here for others to read smile Really, you are very laughable with your scientology like appraoch to a debate "always attack, never defend" never does your arguement develop beyond the point of smarmy "that's BS!" or offer a sound dispute of some point. If I sell books, I am being exploitive, or if I do not, then they are bad books. Blah, blah, blah.

Actually, when I had my revelation and started being a pot activist 20 years ago, there was no movement, there were no other activists in BC, so that shows your theory is just more BS. My activism has left a large trail:
http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=nav...nnett+marijuana

where is yours? what have you done? what qualifies you to speak on behalf of what is good for the movement? Where is your support?

The movement has invited me to lecture on my ideas in Europe, America, Univirsities, Colleges, rallies, courts, in the magazines of the movement,on the interent sites of the movement, and more... The movement has shown great support for my work, and over the next few years I plan on expanding that influence beyond the movement.... just watch me smile I am planning on taking this deeper into the mainstream. Feel free to try and stop that, but then,there is no such thing as bad publicity, so just as you are here, you well anyhwere you raise your "that's BS!" arguement, you will only help me to expand my audience as you are now doing. Thanks! wink

The reality is, you, the mighty Wartroll, with your incredible "that's BS" spear, are the anti-activist. Indeed, there is no actual activism you can even identify for yourself in reality - not one thing. Your activism on here, as can be seen by your posts, is you attacks on real activists, and that makes you the anti-activist hiding behind an anonymous puppet name to attack the real activists - and you know that is the Truth!

Back to your closet to hide in anonymity you little BS troll! smile

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, and to deal with the trolls that bark in the way of Freedom.


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#1592263 - 11/07/09 11:29 AM Re: While researching Marc Emery... [Re: chrisbennett]
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This one goes out to Wartroll,just out today smile
http://www.time4hemp.com/podcast/today/51-Time-4-A-Canada-High.mp3

Apparently this podcast gets over 420,000 downloads a week!

You gotta love that Tree of Life song they play midway in the interview, inspired and inspiring!

It's time for a Canada High at Time 4 Hemp! Chris Bennett, Jodie Emery and Kelly Kriston paid us a visit just to say'high', get up to date on global Marijuana Movement and take Time 4Hemp! Musical artists in order of appearance: Blues Traveler - Echo Movement - HumanTall Brothers - Zking Of Hearts - Hemp St. Rhythmz You can directly download this segment FOR FREE at:http://www.Time4Hemp.com or by clicking on:http://www.time4hemp.com/podcast/today/51-Time-4-A-Canada-High.mp3 Please subscribe to both 'Time 4 Hemp' PotCast rss feeds through iTunes,Zen-Cast or at: http://www.Time4Hemp.com Time 4 Hemp can be found on Twitter:http://twitter.com/Time4Hemp Time 4 Hemp has a MySpace group - if you'd like to join, visit:http://groups.myspace.com/ATime4Hemp
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#1592314 - 11/07/09 04:53 PM Re: While researching Marc Emery... [Re: Warlord]
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I might add that the secular arena is absolutely crucial to marijuana reform actions. For me, it was damaging enough for the Church of the Universe to be tied to organized drug trade; but when the magic mushrooms were also discovered on church grounds...Oy vey! What a field day the pharisee style Christians could have with that!

From everything I have read of Chris Bennett`s work, it seems to me that he is working overtime to discredit this,"Pauline", Christianity in favor of the hedonistic Gnostic following. That`s a good way to bring the roof down over the herb; everyone knows that Christians accept the unleavened bread and the wine Jesus used to remind us of his broken body and blood spilled at Golgotha on the day of Passover about 3 Anno Domini. There is no evidence whatsoever that any ointment or oil in either Judaism or Christianity has any signi- -ficance outside of symbolic use, and obedience to God by the Hebrews in preparing the anointing oil set aside for commissioning Kings and priests.

Let`s put mj where it belongs, accross the board.

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#1592321 - 11/07/09 05:05 PM Re: While researching Marc Emery... [Re: MrCleanscreens]
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``There is no evidence whatsoever that any ointment or oil in either Judaism or Christianity has any significance outside of symbolic use, and obedience to God by the Hebrews in preparing the anointing oil set aside for commissioning Kings and priests.``

No none what so ever.... well maybe a little more than the Babylonian Code of Hammurabi being the source of the US Legal system, LMAO.

Never mind that the word 'Messiah' signifies the 'Anointed One', and none of the kings of Israel were styled the Messiah unless anointed."1 The title was clearly only given to those "having the crown of God's unction upon them" (Leviticus 21:12). Never mind that when Moses used it and placed on the incense alar, he spoke to the Lord in the pillar of smoke....

Never mind that Jesus batized none of his disciples but sent out the 12 "And they were casting out many demons and were anointing with oil many sick people and healing them."Mark 6:13
Why the need for any oil to heal those people?

Never mind what the New Testament's 1 John states ". . you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. . . . the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit - just as it has taught you, remain in him." (1 John 2: 27).

Never mind the nearly two millennia old Gnostic Christian texts. In the Gospel of Philip it is written that the initiates of the empty rite of Baptism:

"go down into the water and come up without having received anything. . . The anointing (chrisma) is superior to baptism. For from the anointing we were called 'anointed ones' (Christians), not because of the baptism. And Christ also was [so] named because of the anointing, for the Father anointed the son, and the son anointed the apostles, and the apostles anointed us. [Therefore] he who has been anointed has the All. He has the resurrection, the light. . . the Holy Spirit. . . [If] one receives this unction, this person is no longer a Christian but a Christ."

Similarly, the Gospel of Truth records that Jesus specifically came into their midst so that he:

"might anoint them with the ointment. The ointment is the mercy of the Father. . . those whom he has anointed are the ones who have become perfect."

The apocryphal book, The Acts of Thomas, refers to the ointment's entheogenic effects as being specifically derived from a certain plant:

Holy oil, given us for sanctification, hidden mystery in which the cross was shown us, you are the unfolder of the hidden parts. You are the humiliator of stubborn deeds. You are the one who shows the hidden treasures. You are the plant of kindness. Let your power come by this [unction].



Perhaps you do not see the significance in that? oh well, never mind.

maybe music speaks to you better than common sense?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZD5t0toQts

Hey, and I hope that isn`t the same arm you jerk off with in that picture! `I Love you Jesus!` - lets put Jesus where he belongs on your forearm where you can look at him while having a good wank! Oy Vey!

...so what exactly is your beef with the Sacred Mushroom?
http://tedxmidatlantic.com/live/#RolandGriffiths
An excellent 19-minute talk on the Johns Hopkins studies of psilocybin-based mystical experiences with special attention to religious and spiritual topics.
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#1592450 - 11/08/09 08:42 AM Re: While researching Marc Emery... [Re: chrisbennett]
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"What was your's or their specific point of contention?"

Well, for one it is the extreme amount of speculation you do. 2nd for me is your lust for adulation. 3rd is your lack of any true evidence. In order to get to your conclusion it takes huge amounts of faith in the word "likely". Conjecture is not fact.

"Christian arguements never developed beyond the point of that Jesus' miracles came through the power fo God, not an actual medicinal herb."

Do you know who benny hinn is? Where does it say jesus used oils to heal with?

"Mark 1:21-28 - They (Simon Peter, Andrew, James and John - the newly called disciples) arrived at Capernaum, and on the Sabbath day Jesus walked straight into the synagogue and began teaching. They were amazed at his way of teaching, for he taught with the ring of authority - quite unlike the scribes. All at once, a man in the grip of an evil spirit appeared in the synagogue shouting out, "What have you got to do with us, Jesus from Nazareth? Have you come to kill us? I know who you are - you're God's holy one!"

But Jesus cut him short and spoke sharply, "Hold your tongue and get out of him!"

At this the evil spirit convulsed the man, let out a loud scream and left him. Everyone present was so astounded that people kept saying to each other, "What on earth has happened? This new teaching has authority behind it. Why he even gives his orders to evil spirits and they obey him!"

And his reputation spread like wild-fire through the whole Galilean district."

Also found in Luke 4:31-37

Say, I am not finding much about jesus healing with oils. Lets try here..

Matthew 8:14-17 or here Mark 1:29-34 or here Luke 4:38-41 No signs of oils here Matthew 4:23-25 or here Matthew 8:1-4 Mark 1:40-45 Luke 5:12-16 Matthew 9:1-8 Mark 2:1-12 Mark 2:1-12 John 5:1-15 Matthew 12:9-14 Matthew 12:15-21 Mark 3:7-12 Luke 7:1-10


No sign of oils here either Luke 7:11-17 Matthew 12:22-23 Luke 11:14 Matthew 8:28-34 Mark 5:1-20 Matthew 9:18-26 Matthew 9:27-34 Matthew 14:34-36 Mark 6:53-56
Matthew 15:21-28 Mark 7:31-37 Mark 8:22-26 Still nothing. Lets keep going. Matthew 17:14-21 Luke 17:11-19 John 9:1-41 The list goes on and on with no signs of oil.

"Is that your view, Jesus performed actual miracles by the power of God?"

Not exactly. As a matter of fact, my view is quite different since I do not believe in gods. Say, have you ever heard of Benny Hinn?

"So, I suppose he saw the miracle of the ancient Jews burning cannabis was them not getting high from burning cannabis incense!"

Ummm, OK?


"this could challenge the legitimacy of the so-called Holy Scripture"

And by god your the one to do this, right? Single handedly taking down religions while single handedly stopping the drug war. Super chris so the rescue! Say, with all this super hero stuff you got going on where do you find time to play with me so much?

" Neil McQueen"

Oh, I see. So your not just leeching off the movement, your leeching off this guy too. Here you are taking all the credit for his hard work. Nice work man.

"I believe it may have just been set aside like so many other things in the bible have been set aside. Slavery and stonings and so on....."

"where did the Bible put aside slavery?"

LOL, having some comprehension problems? The bible didn't, the religion did.

"Clearly you know nothing about the Bible!"

Only if it's your interpretation of the bible. You tend to believe you know of the bible, when it is your co-author that did all the work. You tend to just copy/paste his work and take credit for it.

"Yes, you have shown you can speculate all sorts of `that`s BS!` it is gaining the support of experts that helps it fly. Where is the academic support for your `that`s BS!`? oh right you still haven`t found any"

You resort to your pathetic support as if it means something. I see your support as a joke bud, and I see you as a joke too. The more I learn about you the more likely it seems that your just a leech.

"all of it was about editing history, You would have fit in well with that crowd - don't cha think?"

I am not the one trying to change history as you are.

"No am liberating Jesus back to his Gnostic roots, watch me do it."

Delusions of grandeur? You go girl!Imagine, one thumb sized joint(likely a pinner)has led to you believing you can change history and single handedly take down the drug war.

"Blah, blah, blah."

Ah, the most intelligent thing you have said yet.

"Who are you to say that? what qualifications do you have? What does in your opinion bring one closer to god? Why do you think you know what brings other peopelcloser to god or not? Or is that just more of your BS?"

LOL, you get hung up on something and just run wild with it don't ya? Hell son, you should hold onto that security banky for special replys. Your going to wear it out at this rate. Experience is where I get my authority to speak about weed and it's effects. As for closer to god, I do not believe in gods.

"Actually, when I had my revelation and started being a pot activist 20 years ago, there was no movement, there were no other activists in BC, so that shows your theory is just more BS. My activism has left a large trail"

Trail of shit? Your nothing but a leech trying to take credit for the work of others. Your an ego trip out to make a buck off the movement and trying to gain a little fame by being controversial.

"I am planning on taking this deeper into the mainstream."

I call BS on this. You will get no where. I speculate that it is likely you will be laughed at when you try to go "mainstream" with your BS.

"Funny that you get scurvy without vitmain C"

Funny, you don't get it by going without thc!

"Feel free to try and stop that, but then,there is no such thing as bad publicity, so just as you are here, you well anyhwere you raise your "that's BS!" arguement, you will only help me to expand my audience as you are now doing. Thanks!"

Your welcome. Fame is good at all costs ain't it? Your ego makes you an easy target.

"The reality is, you, the mighty Wartroll, with your incredible "that's BS" spear, are the anti-activist."

Aw man, is that the best you got? A little turn around is all you can think up? It is you that is the anti-activist. I called it first, so nanny nanny boo boo to you!

"Indeed, there is no actual activism you can even identify for yourself in reality"

Snicker/giggle @ you and your secutity blankys.

" Your activism on here, as can be seen by your posts, is you attacks on real activists, and that makes you the anti-activist hiding behind an anonymous puppet name to attack the real activists - and you know that is the Truth!"

Looks like I hit a nerve. Your the one trying to gain fame at all costs. Your the one profiting off the movement. Your the one seeking fame for your ego. Your the one pushing speculation and wanting that bad publicity to increase your profits. The truth is that you are the anti-activist, and nothing you can do will change that. No amount of shifting will lift that guilty feeling you feel from your tainted spirit.

"Back to your closet to hide in anonymity you little BS troll!"

No thanks, think I'll hang out here for a while.


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#1592466 - 11/08/09 09:44 AM Re: While researching Marc Emery... [Re: Warlord]
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Wartroll- ``Well, for one it is the extreme amount of speculation you do. 2nd for me is your lust for adulation. 3rd is your lack of any true evidence. In order to get to your conclusion it takes huge amounts of faith in the word "likely". Conjecture is not fact.``

Like the New testament is fact... hehe. OK, so you prefer a Jesus that performs actual miracles and Benny Hinn,and my challenge to this causes you untold amounts of anger and frustration. Thats cool with me! smile Or are you saying jesus was like Benny Hinn? If so, did you OK that with any Chrisitans first?

References like the ones you site above, (glad to see you spent considerable time going through the Bible - interesting, does S.org. pay well these days?) were put together lifetimes after Jesus, and my opinion, unlike yours, is that they should be not be regarded as fact, but rather stories that developed around actual events, which were retold many times before being recorded. Clearly, in the oldest of the synoptic Gospels, Jesus sends out the apostles to heal with the holy oil, as well 1 John records the teaching capacity contained in this ointnment,more than any human teacher. these cases, along with Jesus`use of a clay poultice to heal a blind man, indicates that in many cases an actual physical preperation accompanied the miracle. Regardless of that, elements of faith healing, such as that perfomed by Hinn, may have also utilized the patients own beliefs, but then combined with something such as a plant that has actual medicinal qualities, hom much more so. It should also be noted that topical preperations of cananbis for such purposes, had by the time of Jesus, a long history in the ancient mid-east, and i am referring to Assyrian, Egyptian and Hebrew use. Further, it is well documented that the Catholic church was in conflict with other Christian groups, now known by the collective name of Gnostics, accussing them of using secret sacraments, and one of the main points of contention between these two groups was baptism, which the gnostics rejected, and annointing oil, which the Gnostics used in both healing and entheogenic ceremonies.
For actual textual references regarding that see
http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html
http://hightimes.com/news/ht_admin/139

As a result of conflict about what actually happened durring Jesus`short ministry, the Catholic Church held the Council of Nicea in 325 AD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
All documents conflicting with the purely Catholic view, were banned. Luckily, certain Christians, now heretics, hid a cache of these equally and more ancient docuements and these were rediscovered in out own time
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

The extensive suppression of conflicting views and cults to the Catholic Church, as the Catholic Church rose to political power, directly resulted in the Dark Ages, where all information but the Bible, was prohibited in the Christian world for centuries.

As for your petty personal attacks and assumptions, I can see where you are coming from!
Actual footage of Wartroll - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc

Perhaps hold your face in a pillow next time....

Wartroll- ``Experience is where I get my authority to speak about weed and it's effects.``

Cool, with all that experience maybe you can get yourself quallified as an expert witness and testify against me!

Now lets look at what people who actually know what they are talking about, not forum trolls, say like University Professors, anthropologists, linguists and botanists, who unlike Wartroll, know the difference between good grounded research and BS,like that which the mighty Wartroll puts forth.

Anthropologist Sula Benet, who came up with the keneh bosem theory
http://books.google.ca/books?id=CBXxnaGk0hwC&pg=PA40&dq=exodus+30:23+cannabis&lr=#v=onepage&q=exodus%2030%3A23%20cannabis&f=false
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sula_Benet

Anthropologist Vera Rubin (Jewish, so she knows the language)
http://www.thereedfoundation.org/rism/Rubin.html
Vera Rubin noted, that cannabis “appears in the OLD TESTAMENT because of the ritual and sacred aspect of it” (Rubin 1978).`

Botanist Immanuel Löw, a rabbi and Orientalist (born at Szeged, Hungary, 20 January 1854), was educated at his native town and at Berlin, where he studied at the Lehranstalt für die Wissenschaft des Judenthums and at the university, graduating as rabbi and as Ph.D. in 1878. The same year he became rabbi in Szeged.

Among his books may be mentioned: "Aramäische Pflanzennamen," Vienna, 1881; "A szegedi zsidók," Szeged, 1885; "A. Szegedi Chevra," ib. 1887; "Alkalmi beszédek," ib. 1891; "Az ezredév: Nyolc beszéd," ib. 1896; "Löw Immánuel Beszédei," ib. 1900; "Imádságok," 3d ed. ib. 1903; "Vörösmarty Mihály," ib. 1900; "Szilágyi Dezsö," ib. 1901; "Tisza Kálmán," ib. 1902; "Kossuth Lajos," ib. 1902; "Templomszentel&#337;," ib. 1903; "Deák Ferenc," ib. 1903. He has furthermore contributed articles on Syriac lexicography to various volumes of the "Z. D. M. G.," and has edited the following works: "Schwab Löw, Emlékeztetés a vallásban nyert oktatásra," 5th ed. Szeged, 1887; "Löw Lipót, Bibliai Történet," 10th ed. Budapest, 1902; "Leopold Löw: Gesammelte Schriften," i.-v., Szeged, 1889-1900.

The German researcher Immanuel Low, in his DIE FLORA DER JUDEN (1926\1967) identified a number of ancient Hebrew references to cannabis, here as an incense, food source, as well as cloth. Interestingly, Immanuel Löw, referred to an ancient Jewish Passover recipe that called for wine to be mixed with ground up saffron and hasisat surur, which he saw as a “a kind of deck name for the resin the Cannabis sativa” (Low, 1924). Low suggests that this preparation was also made into a burnable and fragrant concoction by being combined with Saffron and Arabic Gum (Low, 1926\1967).

Botanist William Emboden the “shamanistic Ashera priestesses of pre-reformation Jerusalem… anointed their skins with… [a cannabis] mixture as well as burned it” (Emboden 1972).
http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=nav...william+emboden


Professor Stanley Moore, chairman of the philosophy department of the University of Wisconsin-Olatteville, http://jaar.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/XXXVII/1/15
has stated that Biblical references to “aromatic herbs” and “smoke” could mean psycho-active drugs used in religious observances that Moore said are as old as religion itself. “Western Jews and Christians, who shun psycho-active drugs in their faith practices, are the exception, not the norm.”


Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan
Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan (Hebrew: &#1512;&#1489;&#1497; &#1488;&#1512;&#1497;&#1492; &#1511;&#1508;&#1500;&#1503;&#8206;) (23 October 1934 – January 28, 1983[1]) was a noted American Orthodox rabbi and author with a background in both physics and Judaism. He was lauded as an original thinker and prolific writer, from studies of the Torah, Talmud and Kabbalah to introductory pamphlets on Jewish beliefs and philosophy aimed at non-religious and newly religious Jews. His works are often regarded as a significant factor in the growth of the baal teshuva movement

THE LIVING TORAH, by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, a popular gift at bar mitzvahs, which correctly notes that “On the basis of cognate pronunciation and a Septuagint reading, some identify Keneh bosem with English and Greek cannabis, the hemp plant” (Kaplan, 1981).
Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan has noted of early Kabalistic magical schools who used magic and other means of communion for mystic exploration, that “some practices include the use of ‘grasses,’ which were possibly psychedelic drugs” (Kaplan, 1993). As mentioned earlier, Kaplan’s THE LIVING TORAH includes cannabis as a possible candidate for the Hebrew keneh bosem, “due to cognate pronunciation” (Kaplan, 1981). The Kabalistic text the Zohar records:

“There is no grass or herb that grows in which G-d’s wisdom is not greatly manifested and which cannot exert great influence in heaven” and “If men but knew the wisdom of all the Holy One, blessed be He, has planted in the earth, and the power of all that is to be found in the world, they would proclaim the power of their L-rd in His great wisdom.” (Zohar.2,80B)

Like the Zoroastrian royalty and priesthood, there are indications that early Kabbalists enjoyed the use of the herb, but prevented its consumption by the common people. In the P'sachim, “Rav Yehudah says it is good to eat... the essence of hemp seed in Babylonian broth; but it is not lawful to mention this in the presence of an illiterate man, because he might derive a benefit from the knowledge not meant for him.- Nedarim, fol. 49, col. 1” (Harris, et al., 2004). Other sources have noted a Kabbalistic comparison to the effects of cannabis with divine perception, noting an “intriguing reference to cannabis in the context of a fleeting knowledge of God: Zohar Hadash, Bereshit, 16a (Midrash ha-Ne’elam)” (Gross, et al., 1983).



In 1980 the respected anthropologist Weston La Barre (1980) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_La_Barre referred to the Biblical references in an essay on cannabis, concurring with Benet’s earlier hypothesis. In that same year respected British Journal New Scientist also ran a story that referred to the Hebrew OLD TESTAMENT references: “Linguistic evidence indicates that in the original Hebrew and Aramaic texts of the Old Testament the ‘holy oil’ which God directed Moses to make (Exodus 30:23) was composed of myrrh, cinnamon, cannabis and cassia” (Malyon & Henman 1980).

As well, William McKim noted in DRUGS AND BEHAVIOUR, “It is likely that the Hebrews used cannabis... In the OLD TESTAMENT (Exodus 30:23), God tells Moses to make a holy oil of ‘myrrh, sweet cinnamon, kaneh bosem and kassia’” (McKim, 1986). A MINISTER’S HANDOOK OF MENTAL DISORDERS also records that “Some scholars believe that God’s command to Moses (Exodus 30:23) to make a holy oil included cannabis as one of the chosen ingredients” (Ciarrocchi, 1993).

These following references relate directly to my own research smile

It sounds like I would have got an A in University!

C. SCOTT LITTLETON, Ph.D., Professor of Anthropology, Emeritus, Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041, U.S.A.
"I have read Mr. Bennett’s several books on this subject and am in general agreement with what he states, especially about the extent to which the Vedic hallucinogen Soma was probably made from cannabis. Indeed, his research has changed my own thinking about this ancient conundrum (heretofore, the majority of scholars have suggested that Soma was prepared from psychotropic mushrooms).
As Mr. Bennett has amply demonstrated, the ritual use of cannabis has a very long history, both in the Old and New Worlds. For example, in addition to its use at Delphi and in the ancient Indian Soma cult, as well as by shamans, both ancient and contemporary, in many parts of the world, we know from both Herodotus (Book Four) and archaeology that the ancient Scythians ritually inhaled cannabis fumes. Herodotus, who may have been an eye-witness, called it a ritual “smoke bath,” during which the participants “howled like wolves,” and burned hemp seeds have been found in braziers at several Scythian sites in Central Asia and Western Siberia, most notably at Pazyryk (near Novosibirsk).

In more recent times, and especially in the twentieth century, users of cannabis for spiritual purposes have often been persecuted, in the United States and elsewhere, by authorities enforcing laws against its possession. A good example can be seen in the ongoing attempts to suppress its use in the Rastafarian religion, in which cannabis plays a major albeit illicit ceremonial role.

In short, cannabis has indeed occupied an extremely important position in the history of human spirituality, one that has all too often been overlooked (or ignored) by those authorities who are adamantly opposed to its use, no matter what the context.

C. SCOTT LITTLETON


Littleton`s CV

Courses taught
Introduction to Cultural Anthropology (Anthropology 100)
History of Anthropological Theory (Anthropology 200)
Japanese Culture (Anthropology 300)
Magic and Religion (Anthropology 350)
Comparative Mythology and Folklore (Anthropology 351)
Cognitive Anthropology (Anthropology 354)
Japan and England: Two Island Empires (Cultural Studies 14)
The Occult and the Paranormal (Cultural Studies 8)

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author/editor of several books and monographs, including:

An internationally recognized expert in comparative Indo-European mythology and folklore, as well as Japanese religion, Professor Littleton has published extensively on Japanese myth and religion, the origin and distribution of the Arthurian and Holy Grail legends, and the theories of the late French mythologist Georges Dumézil. He is the author of The New Comparative Mythology (3rd Edition, University of California Press, 1982) and, with Linda A. Malcor, co-author of From Scythia to Camelot: A Radical Reassessment of the Legends of King Arthur, the Knights of the Round Table, and the Holy Grail (Garland, 1994; a revised, paperback edition appeared in 2000). He is the editor of Eastern Wisdom (Henry Holt, 1996), a book surveying the major Asian religions, as well as the author of the chapter on Shinto, the indigenous religion of Japan, and has contributed chapters on Japanese mythology and religion to several other anthologies, including Roy Willis, ed., World Mythology: The Illustrated Guide (Simon & Schuster, 1993), Michael Coogan, ed., World Religion: The Illustrated Guide (Oxford University Press, 1998), and Raymond Scupin, ed., Religion and Culture: An Anthropological Focus (Prentice Hall, 2000). A semi-popular book, Shinto: Origins, Rituals, Festivals, Spirits, Sacred Places, was recently published by Oxford University Press (2002). He is the general editor of Mythology: The Illustrated Anthology of World Myth & Storytelling by (Duncan Baird Publishers, 2002), as well as of Gods, Goddesses, and Mythology (Marshall-Cavendish, 2004).

Littleton has done extensive field work in a Tokyo neighborhood, focusing on its annual matsuri, or Shinto shrine festival, an account of which appeared in an article entitled “The Organization and Management of a Tokyo Shinto Shrine Festival” (Ethnology 25:195 202, 1986). He has also studied contemporary Japanese popular culture, focusing on the teenage dancers and rock bands that perform on Sunday afternoons in Tokyo's Yoyogi Park (e.g., “Rituals of Rebellion among Contemporary Japanese Youth: The Outdoor Disco at Tokyo's Yoyogi Park,” Religion 17:119 131, 1987), and is currently researching the possibility that elements of the Arthurian tradition diffused to China and Japan as well as to Europe from its point of origin in the Trans-Caucasian steppes (e.g., “Yamato-takeru: An ‘Arthurian’ Hero in Japanese Tradition,” Asian Folklore Studies 54:259-274, 1995). He has also researched the extent to which the hallucinogen cannabis sativa played a role at the Oracles of Delphi and Dodona (e.g., "The Pneuma Enthusiastikon: On the Possibility of Hallucinogenic 'Vapors' at Delphi and Dodona." Ethos 14:76-91, 1986).
Littleton’s other research interests include nineteenth-century travel accounts—with Horace L. Hotchkiss, he is co-editor of The Diaries of Blakely Wilson: An American Traveler in Europe, Egypt, and the Holy Land, 1874-1876 (Mellen Press, 1998)—and occult and paranormal phenomena. The latter interest is reflected in his science fiction novel, Phase Two (Red Pill Press, 2009). He is also the author of a memoir, 2500 Strand: Growing up in Hermosa Beach, California, During World War II (Red Pill Press, 2008).


Littleton’s articles and reviews have appeared in American Anthropologist, Ethnology, Ethos, Journal of American Folklore, Journal of Asian Studies, Monumenta Nipponica, Journal of Folklore Research, Western Folklore, Asian Folklore Studies, Religion, History of Religions, Natural History, Journal of the Classical Tradition, Cosmos, and The Journal of Indo-European Studies, where he also serves as mythology co-editor. In addition to major essays on Indo-European mythology and the theories of the late Georges Dumézil in Mircea Eliade, et al. eds., The Encyclopedia of Religion (Macmillan, 1987, 2004) and Simon Glendinning, ed., The Edinburgh Encyclopedia of Continental Philosophy (Edinburgh University Press, 1999) he has contributed articles on a variety of subjects to The Encyclopedia of Religion and War (Routledge, 2004), The New Dictionary of the History of Ideas (Charles Scribner’s Sons, 2004), and several other scholarly encyclopedias and compendia. He is also the author of the basic article on “Mythology” in The World Book Encyclopedia (Scott Fetzer, 1991), as well as over fifty short articles on various mythological subjects in both The World Book Encyclopedia and the Academic American Encyclopedia.

He has received grants and fellowships from the American Council of Learned Societies (twice), the American Philosophical Society, and the Wenner-Gren Foundation for Anthropological Research, and has served as a Visiting Fulbright Lecturer at The University of Tokyo and Waseda University (1980-81), Tokyo, Japan, and as a Senior Fulbright Researcher at Waseda University (1994). In 1991 he received The Graham L. Sterling Memorial Award, given annually to a distinguished member of the Occidental College faculty.

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My name is Thomas B. Roberts, and I make this statutory declaration from personal knowledge of the matters and facts stated in it. I am a Professor Emeritus of Educational Psychology at Northern Illinois University, DeKalb, IL. USA, where I have been employed since 1970.

2. Area of Expertise. As evidenced by my vita and from my faculty website (attached exhibit), I would like to draw the court’s attention to my professional publications in religious studies and scholarly duties having to do wholly or in part with the spiritual uses of psychoactive plants and chemicals.

Note: the word entheogen refers to a psychoactive plant or chemical used in a spiritual or religious context.

Positions

a. 1970-2006. Professor of Educational Psychology, Northern Illinois University. Duties: teaching undergraduate and graduate courses, serving on and chairing master’s theses and doctoral dissertations

b. Fall 2006. Visiting Scientist, Behavioral Pharmacology Research Unit, Johns Hopkins Medical Institute, Baltimore, MD. Duties: lead weekly staff development session and consulted on psilocybin research project.

c. Spring 2007 – present. Professor Emeritus instructor for the Honors Program seminar Foundations of Psychedelic Studies, Northern Illinois University, DeKalb, IL.

Publications

d. (2009 or 2010 in-press). Entheogenic Contributions to Self-Transcendence, Healing, Pastoral Counseling, and Evangelism. Chapter 11 in Harold Ellens (ed.) The Healing Power of Spirituality, Vol. 3. Westport, CT. and London: Praeger/Greenwood Publications.

e. (2008). Multistate and Entheogenic Contributions to the Study of Miracles and Experimental Religious Studies. Chapter 3 in Harold Ellens (ed.) Miracles: God, Science, and Psychology in the Paranormal. Westport, CT. and London: Praeger /Greenwood Publications.

f. (2007). Winkelman, M. & T. Roberts (eds.) Psychedelic Medicine: New Evidence for Hallucinogenic Substances as Treatments, 2 vols. Westport, CT. and London: Praeger/Greenwood. [Ten chapters are primarily about the religious and/or spiritual uses of these substances.]

g. (2006). Chemical Input, Religious Output—Entheogens: A Pharmatheology Sampler. Chapter10 in Patrick McNamara (ed.) Where God and Science Meet, Vol. 3. Westport, CT. and London: Praeger/Greenwood Publications.

h. (2004). Entheogens—Sacramentals or Sacrilege? Design for a University Course. [Originally presented at the Annual Meeting of the Society for the Scientific Study of Religion, October 22-24, 2004, Kansas City, MO.] Retrieved Oct. 13, 2009, from http://www.cedu.niu.edu/lepf/edpsych/faculty/roberts/index_roberts1.html

i. (2001). (ed.). Psychoactive Sacramentals: Essays on Entheogens and Religion. San Francisco: Council on Spiritual Practices.

j. (1999). Do Entheogen-induced Mystical Experiences Boost the Immune System? Psychedelics, Peak-experiences, and Wellness. Advances in Mind-Body Health, Vol. 15, pp. 139-147.

k. (1995-2003). with Hruby, P. J. (eds.) Religion and Psychoactive Sacraments: An Entheogen Chrestomathy. [An online archive of over 550 entries including excerpts and expanded bibliographic information.] www.csp.org/chrestomathy.

l. (1997). Academic and Religious Freedom in the Study of the Mind. Chapter 11 in Robert Forte (ed.). Entheogens and the Future of Religion. San Francisco: Council on Spiritual Practices.

m. (1995). Psychoactive Sacraments. Valombrosa Conference Retreat Center, Menlo Park, CA. [A conference-retreat jointly sponsored by the Chicago Theological Seminary and the Council on Spiritual Practices. Co-organizer, program chair, floor manager.]

n. Co-founder and former director of the Council on Spiritual Practices.

o. Additional items will be found in my vita 1970-2006 and at my faculty website 2006-present.

3. Does marijuana (cannabis) have religious use?

a. A search of the website of the Council on Spiritual Practices and its 550-entry archive Religion and Psychoactive Sacraments (item k above) discovers 70 citations, and this archive does not include journal, periodical, or press citations, which probably outnumber the books and dissertations of this archive. Some of these entries are against the spiritual use of marijuana, a few are neutral, but most recognize this practice as spiritually legitimate. Regardless of the positions taken, the existence of these entries as a whole indicates that the topic has recognized status within the religious community and in religious studies and is not to be dismissed lightly. Also, new entries to this source stopped in 2003; and as the compiler of that resource who has kept file folders of possible future additions, I expect additional books and academic dissertations on the religious uses of marijuana published since then would probably number several dozen.

b. In On Being Stoned: A Psychological Study of Marijuana Intoxication, written by Charles T. Tart, Ph.D. and published in 1971 (Science and Behavior Books, Palo Alto, Ca.), Chapter 19 is titled “Spiritual Experiences.” This chapter reports the results of four questions that were part of a 224-item survey of marijuana users.

Item 192: “I feel in touch with a Higher Power or Divine Being to some extent when stoned: I feel more in contact with the ‘spiritual’ side of things.”

22% responded “very often” or “usually”.

Item 193: I am able to meditate more effectively than when straight …”

13% reported “very often” or “frequently”

Item 194: “I have had spiritual experiences, discrete experiences, which have had a powerful long-term religious effect on me while stoned.”

33% answered “yes” to this item. When asked to elaborate on these experiences, their descriptions included feelings of unity, stimulation of long-term interest in religion, contact with divine beings, long-term positive changes in life-style, and deep peace and joy.

Item 195: “Getting stoned has acquired a religious significance for me.”

22 % answered “yes”

c. In my judgement, Understanding Marijuana: A New Look at the Scientific Evidence, (2002, Oxford University Press) by Mitch Earlywine, Ph.D., provides the most thorough and thoughtful compilation of information on this topic. On pages 112-113, he writes, “The Coptic and Rastafarian Churches smoke cannabis as part of their religious practice, too. Certain sects of Buddhism in Nepal use marijuana as a sacrament (Clark, 1998). … Many encourage pensive, meditative use of the drug and deride mindless consumption (Bello, 1996). This approach to use may minimize the potential for negative consequences related to the drug.”

To answer my question above, “Does marijuana (cannabis) have religious use?” My answer is, “Clearly, yes.” This is not to imply that all current marijuana use is religious; clearly it isn’t. But at the same time, some current use is religious and is spiritually significant to those using it that way.

4. Is Christopher Bennett’s use religious and/or spiritual?

Having exchanged emails with Christopher Bennett for several years, I met him personally at a conference in Vancouver in 2004. Since then we have continued to email. At that time, we discussed the spiritual-religious uses of cannabis, and I have read parts of his co-authored books Green Gold the Tree of Life, Marijuana in Magic & Religion and Sex, Drugs, Violence and the Bible. Having spent a large fraction of my professional work compiling information the entheogens (item k above), I am solidly impressed with the scholarship on Mr. Bennett’s two books., He and his co-authors present the religious and spiritual use of cannabis in what must have been the result of painstaking detailed research in archeology, anthropology, theology, and other contributory disciplines to religious studies.

To me this also indicates a sincere belief on his part in the spiritual benefits of his use of cannabis. A casual, let’s-get-high smoker would not spend such tedious labors as these books required, and just as scholars within accepted religious traditions express their dedication and beliefs in, say, detailed historical or linguistic research, Mr. Bennett’s work witnesses the credibility of his convictions.

In my judgment and considering the laborious process of writing a book, seeing it through its rewriting, editing, printing and publication, these activities are sufficient evidence of Mr. Bennett’s sincere dedication to his religious use of cannabis.

Someone could merely claim that he or she smoked cannabis as part of one’s religion in order to try to circumvent the law, but a person with this motivation would not dedicate the hours of tedious work to writing books without a sincere belief that doing so is part of his spiritual dedication. And if circumventing the law were one’s purpose, it would not serve to call attention to oneself and one’s use of marijuana by writing books about marijuana.

Summary: it is my opinion that Mr. Bennett’s practice of using cannabis is a sincere and significant part of his religious beliefs, and that prohibiting him from doing so is an interference with his religious freedom. In religious thought there exists a concept called “transgression in service of a higher good” (such as a doctor healing on the Sabbath); I hope the Court will recognize a similar exception for transgressing drug laws in Mr. Bennett’s spiritual use of cannabis.

Respectfully submitted,
Thomas B. Roberts



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Prof. Carl Ruck, Classical Mythology, Boston University for the case, who will also be submitting an affidavit

1. Have there been instances in history of religions and/or spiritual practices that used psychoactive substances in their worship? If so please cite examples.

Psychoactive Sacraments are the Probable Origin of Religions.

entheogen:

— Plant sacraments or shamanic inebriants evoking religious ecstasy or vision; commonly used in the archaic world in divination for shamanic healing, and in Holy Communion, for example during the Initiation to the Eleusinian Mysteries or the Vedic Soma sacrifice.

Literally: becoming divine within.

Evolutionary science has amassed much evidence that the ancestors of man were primate cousins living in the forests and grasslands of Africa. Religious origins certainly grew out of primitive man’s struggle to define and control his surroundings. Prehistoric man would have respected and hailed the elements such as lighting, thunder and fire for their frightening and destructive power; and he would also have had respect for powerful mind altering substances found in nature.

Anthropological, ethnopharmacological and historical research has shown that the traditional purpose of such psychoactive plant use was to attain direct spiritual experience, during which users made contact with different spirits and unseen realms in order to gain knowledge and wisdom for themselves and/or members of their social group. Scientists studying aboriginal cultures with shamanic traditions have conclusively demonstrated that hallucinogenic substances were frequently used as an adjunct to the shamans' inner quest for vision and the search for healing.

The oldest organized continual religious tradition was that of the Indo-European Indian/ Iranian Magi, which arguably became the first monotheist religion (the precedent for Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) through the revisions of the prophet Zarathustra (known to the Greeks as Zoroaster), perhaps as early as 6000 BCE, who was also credited with the transition from a nomadic culture of hunter-gatherers to the settled manner of civilization in urban centers with the arts of agriculture. Common to the Magi and their Zoroastrian successors (as well as the similar traditions of the Indian Brahmans) was the admittedly intoxicating botanical sacrament called haoma/soma. The identity of this plant or combination of plants has been the subject of scholarly debate. Candidates include mushrooms (Amanitas, Psilocybes), Syrian rue (Peganum harmala) potentiated by acacia—producing an Old World equivalent of ayahuasca, Ephedra, and Cannabis. The actual ingredients probably differed over the long history of the religion’s continual existence, but archaeological evidence can document Cannabis used in a ritual haoma ceremony as early as 2000 BCE at the sanctuary at Gunur in eastern Turkmenistan.

Similar and apparently separate traditions of visionary sacraments are documented in Neolithic (ca. 6000 BCE) rock paintings, specifically from North African Tassili n’Ajjer and the southeastern Hispanic peninsula (Spanish Levantine) and from cave sites in southwestern France, as well as Siberia, South Africa, and Australia.

In early historical times, one might cite the religious use of psychoactive substances among the Egyptians, early Judaism, Mesopotamian and Anatolian peoples (such as the settlement at Çatal Hüyük), and Classical Greece.

Classical Greece (5th-century BCE) is of particular relevance since it is claimed as the ancestor and inspiration of the Western Tradition. The main Hellenic religion was the Eleusinian Mystery initiation, which grew out of earlier cults with their own traditions of psychoactive sacraments, including opium. The Eleusinian Mystery, celebrated in a village near Athens, began about 1500 BCE and lasted nearly two millennia, until supplanted by the conversion of the Roman Empire to Christianity. The religion induced a communal visionary event that was experienced as a journey to the otherworld and return by means of a sacred potion whose active agent was LSD extracted from ergot, a common fungus on cultivated grains.

In addition, one of the principle deities of Classical Greece was the god Dionysus or Bacchus. He was a god of intoxication, music, and dance; and his sacred drink was wine, which was always correctly drunk diluted with water and fortified by varieties of psychoactive herbal additives. He is similar to deities of ecstatic rapture in other cultures, such as the Aztec Xochipili.

The Persian version of the Vedic Soma sacrament was assimilated in the Greco-Roman world in the 1st century BCE as the cult of Mithras, which became one of the dominant religions of the Roman Empire, along with Christianity and the Egyptian Mystery of Isis. The religion originally of nomadic peoples from the Steppes of central Asia assimilated various aspects of the agrarian cults of the ubiquitous Goddess as it progressed through Mesopotamia and Anatolia, and similar versions of the cult involved Cybele and her lover Attis, and had already established itself even before the Classical Age in Greece through frequent contact with the Persian nobility and is seen in the traditions about the mythical hero Perseus, who is claimed as the ancestor of the Persians and is often indistinguishable from Mithras.

Membership in the Mithraic cult was restricted exclusively to men, who met in small groups in confined subterranean sanctuaries, the remains of which are found throughout Europe, the Near East and Africa, where they celebrated their god and initiated new members with a seven-fold sequence of visionary psychoactive sacraments. The visionary experience was expressed through the philosophy of Stoicism and involved a liberating spiritual ascent to the rim of the Universe and the concept of Cosmic Renewal through the Final Conflagration at the End of Time.

These sanctuaries are totally unsuitable for banqueting upon ordinary foods. As is often the case, other drugs appear to have been accepted as substitutes or surrogates for the original fungal identity of Soma, including the extract from ergot, under the descriptive metaphor of ass’s ears. Nero was the first Emperor to be initiated by what is called a series of magical dinners, and most of his successors including Constantine before his Conversion espoused the cult, along with the army and bureaucrats who administered the Empire, so that the mushroom cult could safely be called the drug that ‘civilized’ Europe, or more correctly, imposed the Greco-Roman tradition, displacing the Druids, with their psychoactive mistletoe, and other indigenous cults.

Although officially banned after the Conversion, aspects of the religion were assimilated or co-opted by Christianity as the seven sacraments of the Church, and the warrior brotherhoods persisted as secret societies such as Freemasonry.

Early Christianity, itself, had psychoactive Communion rites, which were condemned as heretical, by the dominant Church established by Paul, but evidence indicates that the ecclesiastical elite as late as the Renaissance had reserved the psychoactive Eucharist for themselves, and vigorously prosecuted such sacraments by so-called heretical groups like the Cathars, as well as perpetuations of pre-Christian practices by persons accused of witchcraft.

The evidence for psychoactive sacraments among the pre-Conquest peoples of the New World is also relevant. In the 1950s R. Gordon Wasson's investigations of the Mexican pre-Columbian mushroom cult established beyond question the prominence of hallucinogens in the religious exercises of the whole Mayan-Aztec culture. In addition to mushrooms, the Mesoamerican peoples employed such plants as San Pedro cacti and peyote. In many cases, even after the conversion to Christianity they assimilated their indigenous rites to the new imposed religion.

2. Have there been instances in history of religions and/or spiritual practices that used cannabis in their worship? If so please cite examples.

Hemp played a prominent role in the development of the religions and civilizations of Asia, the Middle East, Europe and Africa. The insights gained from the marijuana high by the ancient worshippers were considered to be of divine origin and the plant itself an "angel" or messenger of the gods. The sacramental use of marijuana predates written history and this tradition continues with diverse tribes in Africa, certain Hindu sects, Moslem fakirs and Sufis, Rastafarians, as well as modern Occultists and Pagans.

The 5th-century BCE Greek Herodotus (4.73) documented the use of cannabis as a ritual sacrament by the Scythians for their funerals. Before that, the Greeks knew the plant by other names, such as ‘smoke.’ The comic dramatist Aristophanes parodied the Scythian rite in his Clouds (ca. 423), implying that philosophers like Socrates got their ideas by being ‘high.’ It was probably often an ingredient in the incenses burnt in holy sanctuaries.

More relevant is the use of cannabis by the Jews to produce a similar psychoactive atmosphere in the Temple, where it was burned in an enclosed space as incense and also employed for anointing the sacred vessels, as well as the high priest himself, so that he could speak to Yahweh. By the account of Philo (20 BCE—50 CE), who was himself a Jewish High Priest:

All inside is unseen, except by the High Priest alone, and indeed, he, though charged with the duty of entering once a year, gets no view of anything. For he takes with him a brazier full of lighted coals and incense, and the great quantity of vapor covers everything around it, beclouds the sight and prevents it from being able to penetrate to any distance. - Philo, De specialibus legibus, 1.13.72

3. Are there benefits to existence of such religious/spiritual practices?

Cicero said of the Eleusinian Mystery:

For among the many excellent and indeed divine institutions that Athens has brought forth and contributed to human life, none, in my opinion, is better than those mysteries. For by their means we have been brought out of our barbarous and savage mode of life and educated and refined to a state of civilization; and as the rites are called "initiations," so in very truth we have learned from them the beginnings of life, and have gained the power not only to live happily, but also to die with a better hope. - Laws, II, xiv, 36.

The god Dionysus as patron of the theater in Athens was largely responsible for the elevation of that city as the pinnacle of Classical culture. Further archaeological and literary studies of the use of psychotropic substances in ancient cult practices may well lead to the conclusion that the imaginary world of the stage would never have been possible without the use of psychotropic chemicals.

Plutarch, in Table Talk, a sort of mock philosophical dialogue, discussed how Jewish sacraments of the pre-Christian era reflected the union of religious practices surrounding the god of Abraham with the public worship of Dionysus, the god of intoxication and ecstasy. According to Plutarch both gods were associated with the same delirium–inducing plants, both used similar symbols and sacred implements, both used music in the same manner during worship, and the priests wore garments very similar to those used in the worship of Dionysus. Plutarch even clamed there was a direct linguistic connection between the Hebrew word for Sabbath and the Greek Sabi, which was used to denote the crazed, intoxicated followers of Dionysus.

The Native American Church, which is a Christian Church that assimilates pre-Christian traditions, has used its peyote sacrament as a treatment for alcoholic addiction. Similarly, the West African iboga plant, which is used in traditional religious initiations, has shown efficacy in treating heroine and cocaine addiction. Similar research with the visionary ayahuasca potion suggests its use in the treatment of addictions.

4. Do the intoxicating affects of cannabis lend themselves to a feeling of spiritual transcendence?

The classic experiment in this regard was conducted at Marsh Chapel at Boston University on Good Friday of 1962 with psilocybin (the active agent in Psilocybe mushrooms). The subjects were graduate degree divinity students and almost all reported experiencing profound religious experiences. The experiment was repeated with very similar results at Johns Hopkins University in 2006.

The classic description of such an experience with mescaline (the active agent in peyote and a few other cacti and plants) is Aldous Huxley’s The Doors of Perception (1954). Here are a few excerpts:

I was not looking now at an unusual flower arrangement. I was seeing what Adam had seen on the morning of his creation-the miracle, moment by moment, of naked existence.

Istigkeit - wasn't that the word Meister Eckhart liked to use? "Is-ness." The Being of Platonic philosophy - except that Plato seems to have made the enormous, the grotesque mistake of separating Being from becoming and identifying it with the mathematical abstraction of the Idea. He could never, poor fellow, have seen a bunch of flowers shining with their own inner light and all but quivering under the pressure of the significance with which they were charged; could never have perceived that what rose and iris and carnation so intensely signified was nothing more, and nothing less, than what they were - a transience that was yet eternal life, a perpetual perishing that was at the same time pure Being, a bundle of minute, unique particulars in which, by some unspeakable and yet self-evident paradox, was to be seen the divine source of all existence.

I continued to look at the flowers, and in their living light I seemed to detect the qualitative equivalent of breathing -but of a breathing without returns to a starting point, with no recurrent ebbs but only a repeated flow from beauty to heightened beauty, from deeper to ever deeper meaning. Words like "grace" and "transfiguration" came to my mind, and this, of course, was what, among other things, they stood for. My eyes traveled from the rose to the carnation, and from that feathery incandescence to the smooth scrolls of sentient amethyst which were the iris. The Beatific Vision, Sat Chit Ananda, Being-Awareness-Bliss-for the first time I understood, not on the verbal level, not by inchoate hints or at a distance, but precisely and completely what those prodigious syllables referred to. And then I remembered a passage I had read in one of Suzuki's essays. "What is the Dharma-Body of the Buddha?" ('"the Dharma-Body of the Buddha" is another way of saying Mind, Suchness, the Void, the Godhead.) The question is asked in a Zen monastery by an earnest and bewildered novice. And with the prompt irrelevance of one of the Marx Brothers, the Master answers, "The hedge at the bottom of the garden." "And the man who realizes this truth," the novice dubiously inquires, '"what, may I ask, is he?" Groucho gives him a whack over the shoulders with his staff and answers, "A golden-haired lion."

I recommended this book to a friend and colleague who has devoted many years to meditation under the guidance of a spiritual master. She said that this was exactly the goal that they were striving to attain.

With regard to cannabis, I quote the following from the Reverend Ernie Gordon, who is not himself a user, but has had similar experience from what he calls ‘contemplation’:

I was reasoning with a Rastafarian recently, and he told me that during his contemplative prayer sessions, he smokes marijuana and he has been discovering that he develops a wisdom that he cannot explain easily. Many Christian psychiatrists, who are experimenting with psychedelic drugs, request that it is better to take certain drugs within the sacramental rite, rather than looking to psychedelic drugs in terms of periodic recreational flirtations.

It is evident that there is urgent need for dialogue between the Christian and Rastafarian theologians to discuss at a deeper level the use of marijuana in the religious ritual in order to aid the transcendental experience. I would also like to ask the Rastafarian theologian if he/she has similar transcendental experiences, which are as follows:

a) There is a sense of oneness with God or the universe, combined with a transcendence of time and space.

b) There is insight, a sense of mystery, and ineffability.

c) There is a profound joy, peace, and a sense of rejoicing and there is a lasting effect on thinking and attitude, although sometimes the experience is transient.

About the ritual use of ganja (cannabis) by the Rastafarians, I quote the following:

Contrary to popular belief, pious Rastas do not smoke marijuana recreationally, and some (the canonical Ethiopian Orthodox and also the followers of certain classical Elders) do not use it at all. Most Rastafarian teachers, however, have advocated the controlled ritual smoking of "wisdomweed" both privately as an aid to meditation and communally from "chalice" pipes as an "incense pleasing to the Lord". The argument is that ganja is the "green herb" of the King James Bible and that its use is a kind of shortcut version of traditional ascetical practice.

5. Are you familiar with the Church of the Universe tenets?

I know a few Church members, but my knowledge of the Church’s beliefs derives from their publications. They are a syncretistic religion, founded in 1969, encompassing the scriptures of various groups, not necessarily Christian. Some of their members are well versed in such writings. They espouse personal freedom, which they express through nudity. They tend toward Gnosticism (which means knowledge though direct encounter or experience with the divine, without any specific anthropomorphized persona). They claim to be restoring the cannabis ritual of ancient Judaism. Although the organization is egalitarian, the members sometimes assume titles of a traditional ecclesiastical hierarchy. Their main goal is to cause no harm, and request the same from others. Although the Rastafarians have a cannabis sacrament, they are not allied with that Church.

6. Is there merit to the claims by Church of the Universe practitioners that cannabis is referred to in the bible and may have been used by Jesus Christ?

Cannabis is called kaneh bosem in Hebrew, which is now recognized as the Scythian word that Herodotus wrote as kannabis (or cannabis). The translators of the bible translate this usually as ‘fragrant cane,’ i.e., an aromatic grass. Once the word is correctly translated, the use of cannabis in the bible is clear. Large amounts of it were compounded into the ointment for the ordination of the priest. This ointment was also used to anoint the holy vessels in the Inner Sanctum or Tabernacle (‘tent’). It was also used to fumigate the holy enclosed space. The ointment (absorbed through the skin) and the fragrance of the vessels (both absorbed by handling and inhaled as perfume) and the smoke of the incense in the confined space would have been a very effective means of administering the psychoactive properties of the plant. Since it was only the High Priest who entered the Tabernacle, it was an experience reserved for him, although as the chrism of priestly ordination it was probably also something experienced in a different way by the whole priesthood. This same psychoactive chrism was later used for the coronation of the kings.

The democratized use of a psychoactive sacrament, however, is the magical food called manna. When one ate it, one’s eyes were opened and one saw God. Moses was said to have sustained his people on this magical food for their long sojourn in the desert. Various candidates for it have been proposed, and the most likely identity is something like LSD, derived from ergot, a common fungus on grains.

Jesus was probably trained as an Essene before the years of his proselytizing. The Essenes were known as healers and had extensive knowledge of drug plants. It is highly likely that Jesus experienced psychoactive sacraments. Since healing medicines were commonly compounded as oils, it is quite probable that the healing performed by Jesus involved administering the traditional Essene herbal pharmaceuticals, which would have, and in fact did on the basis of archaeological remains, included cannabis. One must remember also that the gospel account of his ministry is partly mythologized and certainly reworked from earlier documents. Healings recorded as miracles may well have involved skills of a physician.

Additionally, Jesus was called the ‘Christ,’ which means that he was ‘anointed.’ The chrism of his anointment would have been the one described above for the Jewish ordination, which is to say, Jesus would have to have experienced the effect of cannabis. The biblical account of this chrismation is the encounter with John the Baptist at the River Jordan. It is the effective cause of the ensuing vision of the opened heavens, which can only be termed a mystical experience. The bible also seems to state that Jesus did not abide by the traditional reservation of this ointment for the priests and the elite, but that he shared it with the commonality of his followers.

You have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. The anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things, as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him. —I John 2:27.

It is the common Gnostic pattern that the experience of the psychoactive sacrament confers Knowledge.

As for the use of psychoactive sacraments by the early converts to Christianity, there were various forms of the communal meal or Eucharist, and archaeological evidence indicates that at least some of the meeting halls were intended for rituals of chemically altered consciousness. As Christians or followers of the Anointed One, the chrism prescribed in the bible would be an obvious choice, although other ‘drugs’ borrowed from other competing religions would also be involved.

7. Do you agree with the following: When people migrate to a new country they bring their belief systems. Sometimes, initially, there is conflict between their belief systems and the prevailing culture/belief system in the new country. But over time, it is not uncommon for elements of the migrant’s belief systems to be poached by new belief systems in the new country.

It is common for new religions to assimilate traditions from the religions they supplant. They often in previous times did this by building their new places of worship in the same place as the former, even using remnants of the previous structures in their new temple.

Thus, above the desecrated sanctuary of Eleusis sits the little Christian chapel where the Blessed Virgin is worshipped as the Panaghia Mesoporitisa, the ‘Holy Lady who resides within the seed of grain.’ It is a common epithet elsewhere throughout Greece, perpetuated with little thought of the more ancient Goddess it perpetuates. In Athens, the Byzantine church that stands beside the looming modern cathedral was constructed from stones purloined from ancient temples and the Panaghia here, as elsewhere, bears the title of Gorgoepikoös, not the ‘All-hearing Lady,’ as it is claimed, but the ancient ‘Gorgon Queen, who harkens to our prayers.’ In some places, an actual Gorgon head is found buried beneath the Christian altar. Similarly, throughout the British Isles, the old Celtic goddess known as Sheila-na-gig as the entrance into sacred space was used as an ornament above the doorways of Christian churches.

1965 Ph.D. Harvard University
1959 M.A. University of Michigan
1955 B.A. Yale University

Books
Mushrooms, Myth and Mithras: The Drug Cult that Civilized Europe (with Mark Alwin Hoffman and Jose Alfredo Gonzalez Celdran). San Fransisco, CA: City Lights Books, 2008.

The Road to Eleusis: Unveiling the Secret of the Mysteries (with R. Gordon Wasson, Albert Hofmann, B.D. Staples, and Peter Webster). Berkeley, CA: North Atlantic Books, 2008.

Publications (selected)
"Daturas and the Virgin" (with José Alfredo González Celdrán), Entheos: Journal of Psychedelic Spirituality, vol. 1, no. 2, 2001 (Winter), 49-74.

"The Miskwedo of the Ahnisinaubeg," (CAPR editor, unpublished manuscript of R. Gordon Wasson, Harvard Botanical Archives), Entheos: Journal of Psychedelic Spirituality, vol. 1, no. 2, (Winter) 2001, 3-12.

"The Entheogenci Eucharist of Mithras," (with Mark Hoffman and B.D. Staple), Entheos: Journal of Psychedelic Spirituality, vol. 2, no. 1, (Summer), 2002. Website gallery of additional images cued to the text at www.entheomedia.com/mitras1.

"De rebus Mithraicis POSTSCRIPTM," (translated by CAPR from the Spanish of José Alfredo González), Entheos: Journal of Psychedelic Spirituality, vol. 2, no.1, (Summer), 2002. Website gallery of additional images cued to the text at www.entheomedia.com/postscriptum.

"An Entheobotanical Interpretation of Two Paintings by J.M. Turner," (translated by CAPR from the French of Vincent Wattiaux), Entheos: Journal of Psychedelic Spirituality, vol. 2, no. 1, (Summer), 2002. Website gallery of additional images cued to the text at www.entheomedia.com/turner1.

"Ad Turneriana ADDENDUM," (with Mark Hoffman), Entheos: Journal of Psychedelic Spirituality, vol. 2, no. 1 (Summer), 2002. Website gallery of additional images cued to the text at www.entheomedia.com/addendum1.

The List of Victors in Comedy at the Dionysia (Leiden 1967).


Pindar: Selected Odes (Michigan 1967).


The Road to Eleusis: Unveiling the Secret of the Mysteries (Harcourt Brace 1978; Hermes 1998).


Persephone's Quest: Entheogens and the Origins of Religion (Yale 1988).


Ancient Greek: A New Approach (MIT 1968, 1972; 2nd rev. ed. 1979).


Latin: A Concise Structural Course (UPA 1987).


The World of Classical Myth: Gods and Goddesses, Heroines and Heroes (Carolina Academic Press 1994).


Intensive Latin: First Year and Review (Carolina Academic Press 1997), with computer tutorial Vade Mecum.


The Apples of Apollo: Pagan and Christian Mysteries of the Eucharist, with C. Heinrich and B.D. Staples (Durham 2000).


....and there is more where that came from. smile

PS - Neil knows he was an assistant, that is why he gets 2% authors share and I get 8% , thanks for thinking of him though. Its nice to know you want him to get credit for his excellent ground-breaking historical work about the Biblical references to cannabis, your support does not go un-noted, and we can be sure history well remember him for his part in bringing the light of the Biblical cannabis references to humanity through solid, University level, research.

All the Best smile



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"Like the New testament is fact... hehe."

I do not believe either is fact. Not your story, and not that book. I know a pile of BS when I see it.

"OK, so you prefer a Jesus that performs actual miracles and Benny Hinn,and my challenge to this causes you untold amounts of anger and frustration."

Naw, I think its all a bunch of BS.

"Thats cool with me!"

Right on man, thanks for your approval.

"Or are you saying jesus was like Benny Hinn?"

Actors? It's likely they were. It was clear a lot of people got angery about what he was doing. We can speculate that those were the people that could see through his BS.

" (glad to see you spent considerable time going through the Bible - interesting, does S.org. pay well these days?) were put together lifetimes after Jesus, and my opinion, unlike yours, is that they should be not be regarded as fact, but rather stories that developed around actual events, which were retold many times before being recorded."

No problem, took one site to get them all. Not to hard. It's called research. You know, that thing your co-author assistant does while you smoke thumb sized joints.

"and my opinion, unlike yours, is that they should be not be regarded as fact"

Ummm, when did I say the bible was fact? Don't be making shit up about me as I know me really good. You can never pull one over on me about me. Your speculations about me have been wrong so far. Makes me wonder at your ability to speculate ever producing truth. It seems you want to take the book as a source of truth, but only if it suits you. Then you attack it as unreliable.

"Regardless of that, elements of faith healing, such as that perfomed by Hinn, may have also utilized the patients own beliefs, but then combined with something such as a plant that has actual medicinal qualities, hom much more so."

So you think jesus got people stoned once with an oil and healed them by doing it? You really believe he was some sort of doctor running around healing all manner of shit with an oil you have the recipe for but have never tried? Would it not be prudent to test the curing power of the oil used and see if it can preform miracles? Something tells me that if a good oil rub cured a bunch of shit back then that it would cure a bunch of shit today also. Good god chris, go cure someone with an oil rub! No where did jesus ever use oil to heal with. Not once did he use oil to heal.

"indicates that in many cases an actual physical preperation accompanied the miracle"

Nope, it indicates one time he used a bit of who knows what on a guys eyes. It is not an oil.

"combined with something such as a plant that has actual medicinal qualities"

No where in the new book does it say that jesus got high with the possessed and hence drove out the demons from thier bodys.

" It should also be noted that topical preperations of cananbis for such purposes, had by the time of Jesus, a long history in the ancient mid-east, and i am referring to Assyrian, Egyptian and Hebrew use."

It does not cure in an instent as the book says jesus did. It helps a lot of things, but it can not cure in an instent. This is where your speculating comes in and does a back flip. You want me to believe the part about healing, but you don't want me to believe the part about healing without oil, weed, a bong, whatever. Nothing says he healed with oils, everything says he healed without them. But you, in all your rightious glory, are going to prove the book wrong with your giant pile of BS speculation? Not hardly! Better people then you have tried plenty.

"that is why he gets 2% authors share and I get 8"

LOL, yup, it's all about the money ain't it? Since he did all the work 2% doesn't seem like enough. I guess we can add greed to your list. What kind of a guy hoses his partner the way you did yers?

"Cannabis and Early Christian History:
Did Jesus Christ make use of Medical Cannabis in his healing ministry?

SUMMATION:
My summation (one museum curators personal viewpoint) is that -- While Jesus in all certainty was aware of both the recreational as well as medical uses of Cannabis. That he/they (Jesus was both man and God) made NO use of it, either in his personal life or in his healing ministry.

Let’s look at the controversial issues, one by one.

DID Jesus CHRIST himself use Medical Cannabis (oils) to his healing ministry to treat the ill?

As the author sees it, here we are dealing with only one of three possible possibilities.
1 - That Jesus Christ is the Son of God (the authors own point of view): In which case, he would have the power to heal the sick (even resurrect the dead), and so why on this greens earth would he need to use Cannabis or any other sort of medicines for that matter?

2 - That some sort of mis-understanding took place and Jesus Christ was NOT the Son of God. OK, given that situation, than Jesus, would have had a legitimate reason to use Medical Cannabis, BUT from ALL written accounts on the matter, his medical treatments were nothing less than miraculous (the only word that I can use to describe his medical treatments). Cannabis, while being a wonderful medicine, simply would not work as described in the New Testament. Just look at what the book of Matthew says:


Matthew 8:1-4 - cures Leprosy

Matthew 8:5-8 - cures paralyzed stroke victim

Matthew 8:14-15 - cures a high fever

Matthew 8:16 - mental illness
And the list (raising the dead, restoring sight to the blind, etc.), goes on and on --- Thus we can only conclude that Jesus did not make use of Medical Cannabis.

3 - That Jesus Christ was a total fake, a charlatan; and that ALL his miracles were staged etc, etc. But, in this case, once more, the question must be asked; Why would anyone need Medical Cannabis to perform a fake miracle?
In other words, the answer is No, Jesus Christ did NOT make use of Medical Cannabis in his ministry. Or at least this is what logic and reason would dictate as obvious.

The anointment of Jesus at Bethany:
Some claim that it was Cannabis Oil that was used to anoint Jesus, preparing him for his upcoming death and burial. Is this true? First let’s look at what the Bible has to say:


Mark 14
1- Now the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were only two days away, and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were looking for some sly way to arrest Jesus and kill him.
2- "But not during the Feast," they said, "or the people may riot."
3- While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head.
4- Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, "Why this waste of perfume?
5- It could have been sold for more than a year's wages[a] and the money given to the poor." And they rebuked her harshly.
6- "Leave her alone," said Jesus. "Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me.
7- The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me.
8- She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial.
9- I tell you the truth, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her."
10- Then Judas Iscariot, one of the Twelve, went to the chief priests to betray Jesus to them.

John 12:
3- Then Mary took about a pint [about half a liter] of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus' feet and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.
4- But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected,
5- "Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year's wages."

Matthew 26:
6- While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper,
7- a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.
8- When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. "Why this waste?" they asked.
9- "This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor."
10- Aware of this, Jesus said to them, "Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. [etc.]
Here are the facts as the author sees them:

About the Jar Itself:

An alabaster jar

A pint [about half a liter] in size

She broke the jar and poured the perfume [note the words, “poured the perfume”, not splatter the perfume etc., meaning the integrity of the jar itself was still whole, thus implying that the jar had a weak neck, and that only the neck itself was broken.]

About the oil itself:

Pure nard

A very expensive perfume

Was poured on Jesus Head

She poured it on Jesus' feet and wiped his feet with her hair.

The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

About the Woman:
According to the Jehovah’s Witnesses (The Watchtower --- May 1, 2008), the women in question was Mary (the sister of Lazarus), and thus had a very good reason for taking the stated actions. [hey, if your brother had been resurrected by Jesus, you too would be grateful]

Ok, so what does all this mean? Here are my interpretations.


First of all the Jar was made out of Alabaster, which is E-X-P-E-N-S-I-V-E. It is expensive today and it was expensive back than. This indicates that what was inside the jar itself was ALSO expensive. [One years wages to be exact]

Question: Is Hemp Oil expensive or cheap? The answer is so obvious, that it of-and-by itself indicates that Hemp oil was definitely NOT the stated oil in use.


Now, let’s look at the following wording; [when broken open] “The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.” A factor that is also mentioned elsewhere in the Song of Solomon (chapter 4):
Song of Solomon:4:13-16
13- Your plants are an orchard of pomegranates with choice fruits, with henna and nard.
14- nard and saffron, calamus and cinnamon, with every kind of incense tree, with myrrh and aloes and all the finest spices.
16- [the wind] Blow on my garden, that its fragrance may spread abroad.
Stuff sounds like super-duper perfume to me. Now, here I don’t mean to be offensive; I’m not saying the Medical Hemp Oil, (ah, how shall I say it) has a negative odor. No, in fact many find the smell of burning Hemp seeds (kind of like walnuts to me) as pleasant. HOWEVER, can we really use the term “Fragrance of Perfume”. Also does Hemp oil have the power to ‘Fill a house with fragrance.’ This factor (along with the one above) also leads me to me to believe that it was NOT hemp oil.

CONCLUSION:
In fact all the factors above led me to believe that Hemp Oil was NOT the anointing oil spoken about in the bible. However, there-is one small, fly in the ointment. Most archeological types interpret “Nard” and Spikenard as being one and the same plant. According to one website:
“Nard oil is used as a perfume, an incense, a sedative, and an herbal medicine said to fight insomnia, birth difficulties, and other minor ailments.”
Which sure sounds a lot like the effects of Medical Cannabis, which in terms, leads to the possibility that the two herbs could/might have been interchangeable. Possible, but not very likely.

Did Jesus use recreational Cannabis?
Leaving the Healing ministry of Jesus aside for now ---- the question here now becomes --- Did he make personal (recreational) use of the substance? The very nature of this question brings out some very emotional responses among Christians. One side states that:
Jesus was no druggie - That the Bible makes no mention of marijuana and Jesus being the son of God, would not have done anything that had the appearance of evil. . . . Additionally, several other scriptures tell us that Jesus body was uncorrupted. (Acts 2:27, Acts 13:35, Psalms 16:10) So Jesus uncorrupted body would not have been exposed to such substances such as Medical Marihuana.
And on the other side that:
Jesus (the man) was a very spiritual being -- that many religions past and present have made use of Cannabis for ceremonial purposes. That historically the Hebrews themselves had made use of the Hemp plant for their religious meditations, burned as incense etc.
After much research on the subject, and going over as many factors as possible, the author feels that BOTH sides fail to ask the proper question --- would he had? I feel that the answer is NO, and for a simple reason --- It simply didn’t fit in with his M.O.

According to the Gospel of John (see below), as a juvenile he was said to have changed water into wine. Which aside from making him a must at any party, also shows us something about the society that he was living in and his personal character.

John 2 JESUS CHANGES WATER TO WINE
1- On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there,
2- and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding.
3- When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "They have no more wine."
4- "Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come."
5- His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you."
6- Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.
7- Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.
8- Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so,
9- and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside
10- and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."
While according to the gospel of Matthew, in his later life:
[Jesus Christ] ‘The Son of Man came eating and drinking and they said, 'Look, he is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners (sex industry workers etc).' --- Matthew 11:19:
This being a family book, maybe it would be best to skip some of the other stuff that has been said about him. Here it is enough to say that Jesus, the man (ah, let us say), was a man of the world, one who enjoyed other sorts of recreational pleasures. Additionally it is impossible not to note, that the scriptures, while vividly describing many of his activates say absolutely nothing about the subject. NO mention is made that he was smoking it, drinking it, eating it, nor breathing its vapors.

LAST DRINK OF WINE VINEGAR:
There are some who claim that the wine given to Jesus during his last hours on the cross contained Cannabis. Mention of this is made
Matthew 27:
34- they offered him a drink of wine mixed with gall. But when he tasted it, he refused to drink it.
47- When some of the people standing there heard this, they said, “He's calling for Elijah.”
48- So one of the men ran off at once, took a sponge, and soaked it in some sour wine. Then he put it on a stick and offered Jesus a drink.

Luke 23:
36- The soldiers also made fun of Jesus by coming up and offering him sour wine,

John 19:
29- Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put [it] upon hyssop, and put [it] to his mouth.
30- When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost
According to David Terasaka ---
"A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus' lips." When he had received the drink, Jesus said, `It is finished'. "With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." -- John 19:29-30

'Having suffered severe blood losses from His numerous beatings and thus in a dehydrated state, Jesus, in one of His final statements, said "I thirst." He was offered two drinks on the cross. The first, which He refused, was a drugged wine (mixed with myrrh). He chose to face death without a clouded mind. Edersheim writes:
"It was a merciful Jewish practice to give to those led to execution a draught of strong wine mixed with myrrh so as to deaden consciousness". This charitable office was performed at the cost of, if not by, an association of women in Jerusalem. The draught was offered to Jesus when He reached Golgotha. But having tasted it....He would not drink it. ....He would meet Death, even in his sternest and fiercest mood, and conquer by submitting to the full.. -- Edersheim, A. "The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah" 1993 (p.880)
'The second drink, which He accepts moments before His death, is described as a wine vinegar. Two points are important to note. The drink was given on the "stalk of a hyssop plant". Remember that these events occurred at the Feast of the Passover. During this feast, (Exod 12:22) hyssop was used to apply the blood of the Passover lamb to the wooden doorposts of the Jews. It is interesting the end of this hyssop stalk pointed to the blood of the Perfect Lamb which was applied to the wooden cross for the salvation of all mankind. In addition, the wine vinegar is a product of fermentation, which is made from grape juice and yeast. The word literally means "that which is soured" and is related to the Hebrew term for "that which is leavened". Yeast or leaven, is a Biblical symbol of sin. When Jesus took this drink, (i.e. a drink which was "leavened") it is thus symbolic of His taking the sins of the world into His body. - [David Terasaka - Medical Aspects of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ]'

Our problem is that no actual mention of Cannabis is made one way or the other. Here are the facts that way we see them:
Cannabis: - By the early Christian Era, in all probability (given geographical and historical medical factors), the pain killing qualities of Cannabis would have been known.


MYRRH: - While no actual mention is made in the scriptures about its actual use. Cultural anthropologists believe that small qualities of myrrh were added (for flavor) to wines at that time. Thus it can be assumed that the wine being offered to Jesus may have contained myrrh, BUT myrrh is NOT a pain killer and it isn’t Cannabis.

Also it should be noted that in any case Christ rejected the wine. This seems to have taken place mostly to fulfill prophecy. [Man, what a bummer, I wouldn’t have put up with it]


Sponge Vinegar: - It is interesting to note that while rejecting the first offer of wine, he did accept the second offer. But again this seems to have also have taken place in order to fulfill prophecy. Note that it was handed to him on a sponge mounted on top of a hyssop plant stalk. But again, there is no direct mention of any form of Cannabis.
CONCLUSIONS: Did the wine that Christ was offered on the cross contain Cannabis? In todays world the answer seems to depend upon ones personal political point of view; maybe YES, maybe NO. The evidence and facts that we know of can be interpreted either way.

http://antiquecannabisbook.com/chap2B/Jesus/Jesus.htm


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