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#1591829 - 11/05/09 08:41 PM Pelosi won't allow health language posted online
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Pelosi Breaks Pledge to Put Final Health Care Bill Online for 72 Hours Before VoteSpeaker Nancy Pelosi's office tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD that the speaker will not allow the final language of the health care to be posted online for 72 hours before bringing the bill to a vote on the House floor, despite her September 24 statement that she was "absolutely" committed to doing so.

House members are still negotiating important issues in the bill--whether it will provide taxpayer-funding for abortions, for example. Pelosi is pushing for a Saturday House vote, and a number of big changes will be introduced, likely less than 24 hours before the vote takes place (if in fact it does). The Rules Committee hasn't yet released its resolution, or rule, that must be passed before the bill can move from committee to the floor. The rule will set the terms of debate and determine what amendments are in order.

It seems likely that the rule will allow very few, if any, up-or-down votes on amendments on the House floor. Rather, the rule will include a series of amendments that will all be adopted at once if the rule passes.

On September 24, Speaker Nancy Pelosi told THE WEEKLY STANDARD that she was "absolutely" committed to putting the text of the final House bill online for 72 hours before the House votes:


TWS: Madam Speaker, do you support the measure to put the final House bill online for 72 hours before it's voted on at the very end?

PELOSI: Absolutely. Without question.


But tonight, when asked if Speaker Pelosi will leave the bill online for 72 hours after we see what's in the rule, Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly replied in an email: "No; [the] pledge was to have manager’s amendment online for 72 hours, and we will do that."

Apparently Pelosi's agreement to leave the "final" bill online "at the very end" of the process wasn't such a straightforward pledge.


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www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/11/pelosi_breaks_pledge_to_put_he.asp

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#1592077 - 11/06/09 05:20 PM Re: Pelosi won't allow health language posted online [Re: Mr Hand]
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PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009


Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”

Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:

“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.

According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.




republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583

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#1592230 - 11/07/09 09:02 AM Re: Pelosi won't allow health language posted online [Re: Mr Hand]
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Great - just shows to go ya, how far they'll go to make this a 'prison-nation'. Buy 'insurance' at over 41000.00/month or go to prison. Where by the way, you'll get FREE health-care, and be paid .25/hr.(so its not TECHNICALLY slavery). You'll probably be sent to a prison that is in the "prison for profit" system as well. Its a burgeoning sector that is showing promise of high returns on the investments the shareholders make in an individuals incarceration...

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According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.


...again, Great! heh heh heh, $15G a fucking loaf of bread will (probably) cost $26.00!! Doesn't ANYONE see the double-digit inflation that's coming at us like a freight-train? He's borrowed 23 TRILLION in less than a year friends - 23 T-R-I-L-L-I-O-N
...thats 23 million, billion...
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#1592233 - 11/07/09 09:04 AM Re: Pelosi won't allow health language posted online [Re: RaceNeked420]
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freakin petition is closed with only 68 signatures
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#1592421 - 11/08/09 07:08 AM Re: Pelosi won't allow health language posted online [Re: RaceNeked420]
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FUCK - FUCK - FUCK-ITTY - FUCK, FUCK!

We've just been shafted folks!

Pelosis' gang won - they passed the freakin Health care bill.

I think you'll now see the implosion of this once great country. The financial burden to business will cost us more jobs _ I don't see this as being a good thing...l
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#1592961 - 11/09/09 09:08 PM Re: Pelosi won't allow health language posted online [Re: RaceNeked420]
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Originally Posted By: RaceNeked420
FUCK - FUCK - FUCK-ITTY - FUCK, FUCK!

We've just been shafted folks!

Pelosis' gang won - they passed the freakin Health care bill.

I think you'll now see the implosion of this once great country. The financial burden to business will cost us more jobs _ I don't see this as being a good thing...l


Fear not, they only passed it in the house. The Democrats have two versions of the bill they can't agree on. Half of them are only interested in public control while other democrats want to fix the problem. Look at how they fixed the economy? It's over!!!!

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