You're joking right? It's your job, as creator of your argument, to summarize your supporting resources, in order to validate your argument. It's not my job to do that.




That assumes all information comes from the top. It also assumes that the "information" from the top is key to society functioning...it is the bottom that makes things happen...it is the bottom that is 99.9% of the whole.




This is an argument, not a whistle blowing trial. you need to support your argument with logic, reason, and facts.

You have not been reading very much put out by Al Gore, the UN and others if you deny that global unity and transfer of wealth is not iin the table coming up in Copenhagen. Al Gore has bald faced lied and repeatedly told people that global warming is a moral imperative; not a politically driven agenda.

As to the teachings of Christ, he had very little to offer in the way of a bright and rosy future for mankind after his death on the cross; other than the documented fact, as recorded by Josephus, the Jewish historian who realized that Jesus of Nazareth had given Christians enough warning to flee Jerusalem before its destruction in 70AD. Quite to the contrary, Jesus gave us a very bleak picture of how much war,famine and death would increase into the future. Jesus` words have very little in common with globalist aspirations to save the world according to their expectations. This includes the creation of a ruling elite which has virtually eliminated a large middle class; something the likes of Al Gore and many others fear and cower away from.

In case you missed it; the Kyoto Accords was an utter failure since most participants were unable to meet their goals for reducing CO2 emissions. Should anyone attempt to put teeth into another save the Earth confabulation; you`ll probably witness bullets flying again.
You somply are not paying much attention when food riots break out all over the globe, the shortages were directly linked to the ridiculous idea of turning food into alcohol. Neither have you been reading up on the global economy`s focus on capital ventures in Asia`s and India`s expanding markets. Cheap labor and lots of CO2 are fueling this economic growth, by the way.

When it`s China`s turn to face an environmental disaster much worse than the USA did during the Great Depression, do you believe there`s a chance China will be able to cope without blaming someone besides themselves? You go save the world; there`s nothing wrong with a little warming; it makes the Snook grow bigger, fatter and meaner.




The only thing thus far which has ever truly united a group of nations together has been a common enemy vis a vis WWI WWII etc; or mutually beneficial trade and commerce.

Next world war in cyberspace: UNOctober 7, 2009
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The next world war could take place in cyberspace, the UN telecommunications agency chief warned on Tuesday as experts called for action to stamp out cyber attacks.

"The next world war could happen in cyberspace and that would be a catastrophe. We have to make sure that all countries understand that in that war, there is no such thing as a superpower," Hamadoun Toure said.

"Loss of vital networks would quickly cripple any nation, and none is immune to cyberattack," added the secretary-general of the International Telecommunications Union during the ITU's Telecom World 2009 fair in Geneva.

Toure said countries have become "critically dependent" on technology for commerce, finance, health care, emergency services and food distribution.

"The best way to win a war is to avoid it in the first place," he stressed.

As the internet becomes more linked with daily lives, cyberattacks and crimes have also increased in frequency, experts said.

Such attacks include the use of "phishing" tools to get hold of passwords to commit fraud, or attempts by hackers to bring down secure networks.

Individual countries have started to respond by bolstering their defences.

US Secretary for Homeland Security Janet Napolitano said Thursday that she has received the green light to hire up to 1000 cybersecurity experts to ramp up the United States' defences against cyber threats.

South Korea has also announced plans to train 3000 "cyber sheriffs" by next year to protect businesses after a spate of attacks on state and private websites.

Warning of the magnitude of cybercrimes and attacks, Carlos Solari, Alcatel-Lucent's vice-president on central quality, security and reliability, told a forum here that breaches in e-commerce are now already running to "hundreds of billions."

But one of the most prominent victims in recent years has been the small Baltic state of Estonia, which has staked some of its post Cold War development on new technology.

In 2007 a spate of cyber attacks forced the closure of government websites and disrupted leading businesses.

Estonian Minister for Economic Affairs and Communications Juhan Parts said in Geneva that "adequate international cooperation" was essential.

"Because if something happens on cyberspace... it's a border crossing issue. We have to have horizontal cooperation globally," he added.

To this end, several countries have joined forces in the International Multilateral Partnership against Cyber Threats (IMPACT), set up this year to "proactively track and defend against cyberthreats."

Some 37 ITU member states have signed up, while another 15 nations are holding advanced discussions, said the ITU.

Experts say that a major problem is that the current software and web infrastructure has the same weaknesses as those produced two decades ago.

"The real problem is that we're putting on the market software that is as vulnerable as it was 20 years ago," said Cristine Hoepers, general manager at Brazilian National Computer Emergency Response Team.

"If you see the vulnerabilities that are being exploited today, they are still the same," she underlined.

She suggested that professionals needed to be trained to "design something more resilient."

"Universities are not teaching students to think about that. We need to change the workforce, we need to go to the universities..., we need to start educating our professionals," she said.

Pointing out the infrastructure weakness, Carlos Moreira, who founded and runs the Swiss information security firm Wisekey, said legislation is needed to bring cybersecurity up to international standards.

AFP http://www.smh.com.au/technology/security/next-world-war-in-cyberspace-un-20091007-gll2.html

The above pretty well sums up your bullshit.

Gore’s Dual Role in Spotlight: Advocate and Investor

JOHN M. BRODER
Published: November 2, 2009
WASHINGTON — Former Vice President Al Gore thought he had spotted a winner last year when a small California firm sought financing for an energy-saving technology from the venture capital firm where Mr. Gore is a partner.

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The company, Silver Spring Networks, produces hardware and software to make the electricity grid more efficient. It came to Mr. Gore’s firm, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, one of Silicon Valley’s top venture capital providers, looking for $75 million to expand its partnerships with utilities seeking to install millions of so-called smart meters in homes and businesses.

Mr. Gore and his partners decided to back the company, and in gratitude Silver Spring retained him and John Doerr, another Kleiner Perkins partner, as unpaid corporate advisers.

The deal appeared to pay off in a big way last week, when the Energy Department announced $3.4 billion in smart grid grants. Of the total, more than $560 million went to utilities with which Silver Spring has contracts. Kleiner Perkins and its partners, including Mr. Gore, could recoup their investment many times over in coming years.

Silver Spring Networks is a foot soldier in the global green energy revolution Mr. Gore hopes to lead. Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and the need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy. And few have put as much money behind their advocacy as Mr. Gore and are as well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it comes.

Critics, mostly on the political right and among global warming skeptics, say Mr. Gore is poised to become the world’s first “carbon billionaire,” profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.

Representative Marsha Blackburn, Republican of Tennessee, asserted at a hearing this year that Mr. Gore stood to benefit personally from the energy and climate policies he was urging Congress to adopt.

Mr. Gore says that he is simply putting his money where his mouth is.

“Do you think there is something wrong with being active in business in this country?” Mr. Gore said. “I am proud of it. I am proud of it.”

In an e-mail message this week, he said his investment activities were consistent with his public advocacy over decades.

“I have advocated policies to promote renewable energy and accelerate reductions in global warming pollution for decades, including all of the time I was in public service,” Mr. Gore wrote. “As a private citizen, I have continued to advocate the same policies. Even though the vast majority of my business career has been in areas that do not involve renewable energy or global warming pollution reductions, I absolutely believe in investing in ways that are consistent with my values and beliefs. I encourage others to invest in the same way.”

Mr. Gore has invested a significant portion of the tens of millions of dollars he has earned since leaving government in 2001 in a broad array of environmentally friendly energy and technology business ventures, like carbon trading markets, solar cells and waterless urinals.

He has also given away millions more to finance the nonprofit he founded, the Alliance for Climate Protection, and to another group, the Climate Project, which trains people to present the slide show that was the basis of his documentary “An Inconvenient Truth.” Royalties from his new book on climate change, “Our Choice,” printed on 100 percent recycled paper, will go to the alliance, an aide said.

Other public figures, like Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who have vocally supported government financing of energy-saving technologies, have investments in alternative energy ventures. Some scientists and policy advocates also promote energy policies that personally enrich them.

As a private citizen, Mr. Gore does not have to disclose his income or assets, as he did in his years in Congress and the White House. When he left government in early 2001, he listed assets of less than $2 million, including homes in suburban Washington and in Tennessee.

Since then, his net worth has skyrocketed, helped by timely investments in Apple and Google, profits from books and his movie, and scores of speeches for which he can be paid more than $100,000, although he often speaks at no charge.

He is a founder of Generation Investment Management, based in London and run by David Blood, a former head of Goldman Sachs Asset Management (the firm was quickly dubbed Blood and Gore). Mr. Gore earns a partner’s salary at Kleiner Perkins. He has substantial personal finances invested at both firms, officials of the companies said.

He also serves as an adviser to high-profile technology companies including Apple and Google, relationships that have paid him handsome dividends over the last eight years.

Mr. Gore’s spokeswoman would not give a figure for his current net worth, but the scale of his wealth is evident in a single investment of $35 million in Capricorn Investment Group, a private equity fund started by his friend Jeffrey Skoll, the first president of eBay.

Ion Yadigaroglu, a co-founder of Capricorn, said that Mr. Gore does not sit on the fund’s investment committee, but obviously agrees with the partners’ strategy of putting long-term money into promising ventures in energy, technology and health care around the globe.

“Aspirationally,” said Mr. Yadigaroglu, who holds a doctorate from Stanford in astrophysics, “we’re trying to make more money than others doing the same thing and do it in a way that is superior in ethics and impacts.”

Mr. Gore has said he invested in partnerships and funds that try to identify and support companies that are advancing cutting-edge green technologies and are paving the way toward a low-carbon economy.

He has a stake in the world’s pre-eminent carbon credit trading market and in an array of companies in bio-fuels, sustainable fish farming, electric vehicles and solar power.

Capricorn holds a major stake in Falcon Waterfree Technologies, the world’s leading maker of waterless urinals. Generation has holdings in Ausra, a solar energy company based in California, and Camco, a British firm that develops carbon dioxide emissions reduction projects. Kleiner Perkins has a green ventures fund with nearly $1 billion invested in renewable energy and efficiency concerns.

Mr. Gore also has substantial interests in technology, media and biotechnology ventures that have no direct tie to his environmental advocacy, an aide said.

Mr. Gore is not a lobbyist, and he has never asked Congress or the administration for an earmark or policy decision that would directly benefit one of his investments. But he has been a tireless advocate for policies that would move the country away from the use of coal and oil, and he has begun a $300 million campaign to end the use of fossil fuels in electricity production in 10 years.

But Marc Morano, a climate change skeptic who until recently was a top aide to Senator James M. Inhofe, Republican of Oklahoma, said that what he saw as Mr. Gore’s alarmism and occasional exaggerations distorted the debate and also served his personal financial interests.

Mr. Gore has testified numerous times in support of legislation to address climate change and to revamp the nation’s energy policies.

He appeared before the House Energy and Commerce Committee in April to support an energy and climate change bill that was intended to reduce global warming emissions through a cap-and-trade program for major polluting industries.

Mr. Gore, who shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for his climate advocacy, is generally received on Capitol Hill as something of an oracle, at least by Democrats.

But at the hearing in April, he was challenged by Ms. Blackburn, who echoed some of the criticism of Mr. Gore that has swirled in conservative blogs and radio talk shows. She noted that Mr. Gore is a partner at Kleiner Perkins, which has hundreds of millions of dollars invested in firms that could benefit from any legislation that limits carbon dioxide emissions.

“I believe that the transition to a green economy is good for our economy and good for all of us, and I have invested in it,” Mr. Gore said, adding that he had put “every penny” he has made from his investments into the Alliance for Climate Protection.

“And, Congresswoman,” he added, “if you believe that the reason I have been working on this issue for 30 years is because of greed, you don’t know me.”

www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/energy-environment/03gore.html

No, I don't read anything put out by Al Gore or the UN...why should I?

Quote me where I deny that global unity and tranfer..blah, blah, blah..please.






Jesus's death on the cross is NOT one of his teachings...it is a remake of a story retold throughout history pertaining to the changing of the seasons.




That does not contradict with what I claimed...the ego..the voice, the train of thought every human is bombarded with is the source of this war, famine and death. Jesus taught us how to become conscious, free from this. The increase is simply the ego fighting back against a growing consciousness around it, for consciousness is the defeat of the ego.




Where did I mention anything about people's expectations. Expectations are a function of the ego.





Yup, talk is cheap ain't it. Real action gets things done.



Don't try and paint me as ignorant. I'm aware of these facts. I never suggested turning food to fuel was a good idea. What is the latter supposed to prove?




Right, that is if they could survive all of the other consequences right? Checked the salmon counts lately bro?





I'm sorry, I missed what that article had to do with what I wrote. Explain?

Just like the failed bailout they rushed so no one could read, and just like the behind closed door health care Pelosi bill they are forcing on us, now it's the climate/ global warming tax!
Hope in one hand, shit in the other and see which one fills up first!


Senate panel approves Democratic climate tax billThu Nov 5, 2009 10:32am EST Email | Print | Share| Reprints | Single Page[-] Text [+]
By Richard Cowan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A key U.S. Senate environment committee approved a Democratic climate change bill on Thursday that would require industry to cut emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases 20 percent by 2020 from 2005 levels.

The bill approved by the Environment and Public Works Committee will now become one of several initiatives in the Senate aimed at attacking global warming. But they are unlikely to produce legislation that would be voted on by the full Senate until next year at the earliest.

With Republicans boycotting the environment panel's measure, saying more analysis of the legislation was needed, 10 Democrats approved the bill and one Democrat, Senator Max Baucus, voted against it.

Senator John Kerry, who co-authored the bill with fellow Democrat Barbara Boxer, is leading an effort with some Republicans and the White House to draft a compromise.

Democrats in Congress, working on a major plank of President Barack Obama's agenda, have been anxious to show at least some progress on enacting a domestic climate change bill before December 7, when an international global warming summit convenes in Copenhagen.

While there were scores of amendments to the bill that environment committee members wanted to debate and vote on before approving it, they were unable to because of the Republican boycott.

Under committee rules, at least two Republicans had to be present to debate and vote on changing the bill.

Boxer delayed work on the legislation for two days, saying she was giving Republicans the opportunity to collect more information from EPA officials and to offer their own amendments.

But Republicans did not take her up on the offer and by Thursday, Boxer had lost patience with the delay.

She opened Thursday's work session reading from a letter from John Rowe, Chief Executive of Exelon, one of the country's largest utilities.

Calling the bill written by Boxer and Kerry "an excellent starting point," Rowe wrote, "We urge you as chairman, as well as your colleagues, to take the steps necessary to order the bill reported by the committee so that climate legislation can be considered by the full Senate."

Baucus' vote against the bill reflected the difficulties ahead in crafting a measure that would attract the 60 votes needed for passage by the Senate.

As an influential moderate Democrat, Baucus laid out changes he would seek, including a weaker carbon-reduction target. Other Midwestern and Southern senators from states heavily reliant on coal will seek their own changes, which could upset liberals now supporting the bill.

(Editing by Russell Blinch and Philip Barbara)

So what about the bill will affect you? Why do you disagree with it? Sure it's a late attempt to come up with something to show at the conference, but these climate bill talks have been dragging on for years thanks to the ignorance and stubbornness of the republican party.

The article only mention that the bill "would require industry to cut emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases 20 percent by 2020 from 2005 levels."

I don't see anything about taxes...do you? Other than in the title you so nicely blew up...is that all you read?

Thanks for the link too

Whatever you say. Just like the Democrats refused to fund the war in Iraq eh? God almighty; you are one ignorant partisan fool.

Great comment Ben! No substance whatsoever. Partisan? riiiiiight. The war in Iraq as in that illegal war the US undertook and is still up to it's neck in?

Chase dem
Run dem politicians
When i see dem I get cold

The war in Iraq as in that illegal war the US undertook and is still up to it's neck in?

Again; look up the votes in congress which voted yes to going to war against Sadaam. Again; why are we still deployed overseas after Obama promised withdrawal as soon as he was elected? You do not understand the difference between politics and policy eh?

The war in Iraq? The UA has never worried about being put in a bad light. I know for a fagt that behind the orange crate of political rhetoric, more people are relieved that Sadaam and his sons are gone. Your beef is just an echo of those EU nations who opposed the war for economic considerations. Those same countries are now rebuilding economic ties with the government of Iraq which they should be condemning as an illegal puppet of the USA. Instead; the EU went bitterly complaining about being locked out of reconstruction contracts as early as 2003. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3308261.stm Poor bastards. They were those(including Russia) who were up to their armpits in Sadaam`s mischief. Yeah, the noble Eu didn`t oppose the fucking war, they opposed the idea of losing billions in loans which went mostly toward keeping Sadaam in power.

Hey dumbass? You never heard of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_1441 For 12 years we put up with that fucker defying everyone while it was also discovered that he had been paying the families of suicide bombers.
RIP Sadaam. Now please tell us why our troops have not been immediately withdrawn as promised?

I am opposed to the UN, because it has unfree countries as members.
This is not a happy, imaginary world where all nations are respectable, and the UN can deal with the rare outbreaks of lawlessness. Rather, this is - as it always has been - a world where criminals run entire countries, where many nation states are headed by unelected dictators, tyrants, racists, hate-filled religious fanatics, communist fanatics and all-out genocidal killers. Many "ambassadors" represent thugs with Swiss bank accounts, not the people of their country.

By giving these unelected thugs a vote, the UN loses all credibility. No intelligent person should support the UN, or respect what it says, or abide by what it says. The UN should be shut down, or at the very least all non-democracies should be expelled.

The idea that the UN has moral authority I find sick.


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"Again; look up the votes in congress which voted yes to going to war against Sadaam."

- again: look up what they voted for...it wasn't war



it turned out that saddam didn't have the weapons of mass destruction so the debate preceding the invasion was moot