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#1590718 - 11/02/09 05:13 AM Re: BC: Marc Emery deserved his punishment in prison ***** [Re: MedPotMarc]
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wtf-the poor guy sacerficed it all, for our freedom
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#1591022 - 11/03/09 08:56 AM Re: BC: Marc Emery deserved his punishment in prison [Re: MedPotMarc]
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The Nanaimo Daily News

Letters to the Editor: letters@nanaimodailynews.com

Letter

We should not abdicate right to protect citizens


Ethan Erkiletian, The Daily News
Published: Tuesday, November 03, 2009


Re: 'Marc Emery deserved his punishment in prison' (Your Letters, Daily News, Oct. 31)

After reading the piece from Conner Whelan of Ladysmith, I had to think about what he was saying. The letter seems to ignore some very important aspects of the case of Marc Emery, our very own Prince of Pot and his extradition for selling cannabis seeds.

Mr. Whelan says that this is not about sovereignty but it certainly is. When faced with the prospect of one of our citizens being claimed by a foreign nation to face a standard of justice that is so greatly different than our own, it is a matter of sovereignty to rightly claim that our laws must take priority. Should our standard of justice be insufficient to punish some one for a crime, it is up to our lawmakers to change the standard. Applying a foreign standard of justice to a citizen in and of our own land at the request of a foreign power is an abdication of our sovereign jurisdiction over citizenship and domestic law.

Mr. Whelan also mentions that compounding Mr Emery's fate was the fact that he was open in flaunting American laws. Our voice is suppose to be our own and if this should subject one to a harsher standard of justice than those who keep their mouths shut, I would dare our law makers to create a standard of justice that punishes those who speak before those who do not. This is a terrible attempt at justifying a punishment that should never have been undertaken.

Mr. Whelan also attempts to paint Emery as a coward hiding from American justice officials claiming his rights of Canadian citizenship. Seeking protection from the lawmakers sworn to protect him, asking the domestic authorities take justice into their own hands in their own realm and continuing to speak brazenly and without apology for his convictions is far from cowardly. A coward would have run, shut up and begged for forgiveness. It would be a coward who would accept an unjust punishment in hope for a small bit of leniency. Emery did not do this. Emery never backed down from his convictions.

Emery may not deserve admiration for some of his traits but I am certainly not ready to call him a coward as Mr. Whelan so passively managed to do. I am also not ready to abdicate our responsibility to protect Canadian citizens from even our allies should our allies seek something from us that is a blatantly different standard of justice from our own.


Ethan Erkiletian

Saskatoon



© The Daily News (Nanaimo) 2009
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#1591027 - 11/03/09 09:06 AM Re: BC: Marc Emery deserved his punishment in prison [Re: MedPotMarc]
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Due to the fact that Stephen Harper has failed to follow the Canadian charter of rights and has turned his back on Marc and therefore all Canadians, I believe he is guilty of treason and should be removed from office and made to stand trial.
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#1591032 - 11/03/09 09:23 AM Re: BC: Marc Emery deserved his punishment in prison [Re: canadica]
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1) At the end of the day if you send an illegal substance to another country they have the full right to take you down for it thus sovereighnty is not threatened.
2) Unfortunately I do have to agree that Emery's behaviour definitely helped to bring this fate upon him, they probably would have gotten after him regardless but when you spit on the US government when your already giving them the finger it doesnt help much.
3)Does anyone have a better understanding of the extradition act in regards to difference in severity of punishments? Clearly if the Candian government charged him he wouldnt be in nearly as much trouble as he is but because of the hard ass idieology of the Americans they're putting him away for much longer, there should be some sort of regulation to ensure the americans cant give some unfair punishment.
4)Some people who clearly lack all the info decide to cast Emery as a coward likely for "hiding" behind the border and/or pleading guilty and cutting his deal. If they did their research they'd find he clearly did it to save his co defendants.

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#1591091 - 11/03/09 12:30 PM Re: BC: Marc Emery deserved his punishment in prison [Re: yum]
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Originally Posted By: yum
1) At the end of the day if you send an illegal substance to another country they have the full right to take you down for it thus sovereighnty is not threatened.


Hrmm, so if I ordered a gun from the Colt and got it delivered here across the border, the canadian government's most prudent course of action is to go down to the states and arrest, extradite, charge and prosecute the CEO of that business, and attempt to take down the "Arms Dealing Kingpin's" that they are?

This issue is much more complicated than you make it out to be. Make no mistake, sovereignty IS part of it.

Originally Posted By: yum

2) Unfortunately I do have to agree that Emery's behaviour definitely helped to bring this fate upon him, they probably would have gotten after him regardless but when you spit on the US government when your already giving them the finger it doesnt help much.


The reason Emery asked for it, is because its unprecedented, and in doing so both the US and Canada have opened themselves to a HUGE amount of controversy and lack of confidence in the public's eye.

Its called activism, I highly suggest you self-educate a little on the subject, it might do you some good.

When you start to realize that Marc hasnt really done any of his work for himself, and has actually been fighting for YOUR rights, its not too hard to see why this is such a big deal... for EVERYONE. If they can do this to him that easily, good luck saving your own bacon when the time comes... and believe me, if we dont all start to realize whats happening, get our shit together and start making some noise, that time WILL come sooner than later. (Prosecution and ultimately jail, wether extradition is a factor or not)

Originally Posted By: yum

3)Does anyone have a better understanding of the extradition act in regards to difference in severity of punishments? Clearly if the Candian government charged him he wouldnt be in nearly as much trouble as he is but because of the hard ass idieology of the Americans they're putting him away for much longer, there should be some sort of regulation to ensure the americans cant give some unfair punishment.


Originally, the US wanted to put Marc away for 35-to-Life. Thats why he volunteered to be taken into custody, and (hopefully) receive a reduced sentence.

All this, for a 'crime' that Canadian law enforcement and government officials have barely bothered to investigate, let alone arrest and prosecute.

It is this 'regulation' you speak of that is part of the issue here... you know? That sovereignty issue that you think dosnt apply?

Im pretty sure that neither the Cannabis movement, or Marc, took this cause on by choice, it was the US that decided to instigate themselves on this issue, by storming across the border like the political lynch mob they are.

Originally Posted By: yum

4)Some people who clearly lack all the info decide to cast Emery as a coward likely for "hiding" behind the border and/or pleading guilty and cutting his deal. If they did their research they'd find he clearly did it to save his co defendants.


Im glad you realize this. I know that personally, had I managed to get myself into Emery's position in the first place, I would have probobly considered heading for the hills somewhere in the N.W.T. or something before the thought of facing the US Gulag Prison system would have crossed my mind... but that is the very reason why Marc is the right man for the job, and why he needs our undivided support!

I only hope that when Marc eventually does make his way back to Canada as a free man, that he still has even an ounce of the determination and strength-of-will he has displayed in these past few decades through his activism. There arent many respectable, down to earth, morally sound, honest, and wholesome role-models in Politics these days, and I sure would like to feel that my vote is going towards someone with those characteristics. Marc fits the bill.

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#1591226 - 11/03/09 10:01 PM Re: BC: Marc Emery deserved his punishment in prison [Re: MedPotMarc]
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Quote:
Letters to the Editor: letters@nanaimodailynews.com

Letter

We should not abdicate right to protect citizens


Nice job CP
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#1591369 - 11/04/09 10:32 AM Re: BC: Marc Emery deserved his punishment in prison [Re: Duffy Moon]
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I am not going to expound foreveer on this, but I will make the following points.
1)We are CANADIANS, not some little kid down the block that the US steals lunch money from. Last time the US invaded Canada we burned down the White House.
2)We are a soverign country. Just look at a map.
3)We are the largest trade partner for the US. Hmmm, maybe they're also after our oil?

Get the DEA back below the 49th parallel (for those that don't know, that's the Canada/US border)

Canada belongs to Canadians and we will make our own rules of conduct not have them "Made in the USA"

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#1591372 - 11/04/09 10:38 AM Re: BC: Marc Emery deserved his punishment in prison [Re: Mike Oxlong]
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Its nice to say, too bad history doesn't bear you out. Maybe in Ancient times, like say, War of 1812. Except you weren't "Canadians' at the time. That was a British Colony attacking a former British colony, still trying to regain lost power. The British Army may have burned the white house, but no borders were changed, England never regained any power in the Union. The USA went on to consolidate power in the continent.

In modern times, when the US Ambassador says "border restrictions" the Canadian government says: "whatever you want"
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#1591426 - 11/04/09 01:33 PM Re: BC: Marc Emery deserved his punishment in prison [Re: OCNORML]
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Borders weren't changed? How did you guys get the rest of Maine?

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#1591427 - 11/04/09 01:34 PM Re: BC: Marc Emery deserved his punishment in pris [Re: Mike Oxlong]
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Well, if we got MORE Land, then we WON? Lol What was your point again? My point was "no US land was regained by the British", when I referred to "borders changing". Having grown up in Michigan, I was looking at the Great Lakes Border, more than East Coast, my mistake.

Looks like the British bit off more than it could chew and lost. Why would you want to repeat that?
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