The Palestinian National Authority (PNA) will administer Gaza while Israel will continue to control its borders, coastline and airspace. The biggest change for Palestinians will be that the tight travel restrictions that Israel has imposed within the territory will be lifted. The Palestinians hope to build apartment buildings on the site of the demolished Israeli homes.

How will the withdrawal affect the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

The Israeli government expects the withdrawal will reduce Palestinian attacks on Jewish citizens. The Israeli Foreign Ministry says that the withdrawal shows that Israel is willing to make significant concessions for peace. The PNA, while welcoming the dismantling of the settlements, says that the withdrawal is a unilateral move designed to consolidate Israeli control over the West Bank where the majority of Palestinians live. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081000713_pf.html


Israel withdraws from Gaza, and rocket attacks intensify.

Israel launches an offensive to destroy Hamas` combat effectiveness:No more rocket attacks

Who did you say acted defensive? Gaza wasn`t even under occupation by any Israelis when Hamas sharply increased rocket attacks; they were getting better at their bloody business too. That wasn`t Poland, and that was not Palestinians defending either.

"Gaza wasn`t even under occupation by any Israelis when Hamas sharply increased rocket attacks;"

The Jew hate only began after the Jewish land-grab.

Before 1948 Jews and Palestinians lived peacefully together.

It was the formation of the Jewish state that was the initial aggression. All the problems stemmed from that. That was their "lebensraum".

http://jeffreyhill.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341d417153ef010536b14412970c-pi

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If a state is formed, should one`s neighbors honor their borders? That is the outcome of those who violate a state`s security. One could not expect Israel to go into Gaza with fly swatters or white flags. Your beef is with the UN Security Council. The votes for Israel`s recognition came from a world body. The weaponry Israel has been sold to or landed has come from the UK, France, Sweden, Germany,South Africa,the United States, Canada and several others I am certain I have left out. Should you care to look behind you, there are 30,000 UN peacekeeping troops in southern Lebanon. Hezbollah was clearly not defending Lebanon either when Israel rubbled them. Why are you blaming Israel for Arab problems?

"If a state is formed, should one`s neighbors honor their borders?"

By that way of thinking, the rest of Europe should honor Hitler's "Third Reich" borders.

Anything won by the barrel of a gun is illegitimate.



"That is the outcome of those who violate a state`s security."

Look at the casualty rate on both sides of the conflict. Israel is violating Palestinian security 100 times more than the other way around.




"One could not expect Israel to go into Gaza with fly swatters or white flags."

One could expect them to accept the two-state solution (that the rest of the world minus the US want them to accept) with Pre-1967 borders - with mutual, minor adjustments - and go from there.



"Your beef is with the UN Security Council."

My beef is with the aggressors - the Israeli army - and those who fund them - the US government.





"The weaponry Israel has been sold to or landed has come from the UK, France, Sweden, Germany,South Africa,the United States, Canada and several others I am certain I have left out."

They could save a tonne of money and try the two state solution instead.

They could not afford most of those weapons if it wasn't for the US trying to keep instability in the region with all that US Tax Payer defense budget money.


This is how it really works:

http://www.videosift.com/video/George-Carlin-and-Bill-Hicks-telling-it-like-it-is

You have to be kidding. What with warri... Bank and Gaza?

The Arabs are far too divided both within the disputed region, and at each others throats in the Arab sphere elsewhere in the Middle East. As for peace? When Arabs stop demanding another holocaust, then maybe......
..... yet I truly doubt if the intercine war will ever truly end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2siJCAn2tTs



Sorry chum; there`s too much right wing militancy answered by right wing military response.

"Sorry chum; there`s too much right wing militancy answered by right wing military response."


Arabs fighting Arabs doesn't give Israel an excuse to occupy territory, ignore the two-state solution, starve the people of Gaza or commit war crimes.

And you're not my "chum" - I find the thought of you thinking of me as a friend as being more repulsive than the names you usually call me. Go back to insulting me if you must ... just don't imagine we will ever be friends.

THIS IS FALSE. In the case of land acquired by Israel, one must understand that territory abandoned by the aggressor becomes the victor`s prize. The West Bank was formerly Jordan; afterwards, this,"Palestine lie started circulating. There is no Palestine.

I can assure you that all treaties etc. were negotiated and ratified in good faith and that they most assuredly included relinquishing control over lost territory. After the capture of Jerusalem, Jordan sued for peace and Jordan has been at peace with Israel ever since.

I don`t know; sometimes I think your no rulers spiel means no laws either. If this British Mandate of Palestine had gone to court instead of war, I should think this Palestine would be a UN member already. Israel became a state by acceptance and recognition of
what amounts to a world legal system. For the Arabs as a whole, they wanted Israel destroyed; along the way, there were certainly too many wars, bombings, assassinations and brutality amongst nations like Iraq, Syria, Iran and worst of all, Lebanon, since both Syria and the PLO were there pounding the shit out of Beirut. Let me assure you, if Israel had taken the same path, it would have been destroyed by now.



If a terrorist army fired rockets into Jersey City and the US military deployed tanks and heavy artillery against them, those who live in New York would take a keen interest in the goings-on. So would, I suspect, the people of Britain, France, Israel (!), and Cairo.

People get used to war, though. So do countries. Arabs are firing rockets at Jews? Israelis are sending tanks after their hides? Yeah, well, what else is new. Right?

"There is no Palestine."

Riiiiiiight. Explain these maps, then:

http://www.murrayhudson.com/images/19171m4.JPG

http://lw.palestineremembered.com/download/PalestineBeforeNakba.jpg

http://media.photobucket.com/image/palestine%20map%201900/shall19/dandmforeign/palestine1.jpg

http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/The.Holy.Bible/maps/palestine_phy_map_1900.jpg

* Palestine's Districts Before Nakba-1948 (for the satellite version or the Google Earth version)
* Topography Of Palestine
* Refugees Migration Routes
* Population Distribution By District In 1946
* Palestinian And Zionist Landownership By District in 1945
* IMPORTANT MAP showing the destruction of Palestine (English version, now you can buy online)
* IMPORTANT MAP showing the destruction of Palestine (Arabic version, now you can buy online)
* The most complete map of Palestine before and after Nakba (16 MB in size)
* The Return Journey: A Guide to the ethnically cleansed and present Palestinians towns, villages, and holy sites in English, Arabic, and Hebrew .(Now you can buy online)
* Jewish Owned Land In Palestine As Of 1947
* Palestine's Main Roads And Railways
* Palestine's UN GA Partition Plan, November 29th 1947
* Extremely RARE map of Palestine before al-Nakba. It's 4 MB in size, however, it's worth the time to download. Note that the upper left corner of the map was signed by the Moshe Dayan, it's not like we're proud of that, however, it's worth noting.
* An IMPORTANT MAP showing the massive destruction of Palestinian towns (doted in red) after al-Nakba
* Israeli Military Operations INSIDE UN Proposed Jewish State From Dec. 1947 To May 1948
* Israeli Controlled Areas As of May 14 1948, Before the Entry of Any Single Arab Army to Palestine.
* Israeli Military Operations OUTSIDE UN Proposed Jewish State From Dec. 1947 To May 1948
* Israeli Military Operations From May 15th-June 11th 1948
* Israeli Military Operations During The Truce Of July 8th-18th 1948
* Israeli Military Operations From July 18th-November 1948
* Palestinian Concentration Inside Israel and the Borders of the Armistice Line as of March 1949
* Palestinian verses Jewish Israeli Population Distribution- 1997-98
* A Shuttle aerial view of Palestine
* Israel's Urban population between 1990-1995
* Map of the great Khazarian Jewish Empire

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"...one must understand that territory abandoned by the aggressor becomes the victor`s prize."

And Hitler called Poland the "aggressor" too ... thanks for proving my point about the close comparisons!

Operation Himmler (less often known as Operation Konserve or Operation Canned Goods) was a Nazi Germany false flag project to create the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany, which was subsequently used by Nazi propaganda to justify the invasion of Poland. Operation Himmler was arguably the first act of the Second World War in Europe.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler



"I can assure you that all treaties etc. were negotiated and ratified in good faith and that they most assuredly included relinquishing control over lost territory."



The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city — a corpus separatum — administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status.[56] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[57] but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[58]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel



It appears that a land-grab against the will of the land-owners is a form of aggression:

It is generally agreed by scholars in international law that the military actions of the Nazi regime in World War II in its search for so-called "Lebensraum" are characteristic of a war of aggression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_aggression


See also

* Expansionism for expansionist ideas in other countries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum


Greater Israel (seeks to create an Israeli state including all of mandatory Palestine)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_examples_of_expansionism


Busted!

"I don`t know; sometimes I think your no rulers spiel means no laws either."

You believe that because you want to believe that, not because you bothered to look into rules found in Anarchist Spain or today's Christiania.

For someone who posts a lot of opinions, you sure are afraid of doing a little research.