When all else fails nicotine will kill them dead, dead, dead. Easy to make, easy to apply. Up until the days of the wide spread sell of american made chemical insecticides it was used in agriculture for several hundred years world wide. Still used in Asia, and most 3rd world nations.. It is the only insectide widely used in India, Pakistan and Afganistan. Nicotine is an alkaloid. Meaning it can be a water or oil soluable chemical compound. It can be used as a base (oil soluable)or turned into a sulfate or Hydrochloride. I can explain what that means and how the chemistries applies and so forth if anyone wishes. Being an alkaloid it is water soluable at an acidic pH meaning it can be applied as an oil soluable compund but will rinse off the plants when the water is below an about 6.5 or so as the low pH turns it into a water soluable compound. Therefore it can be readily rinsed off before harvesting and any absorbed is then flushed along with the nutrients, prior to harvest.

ak-That's all good. How about your recipe, c'mon all that, and no recipe, tell me it ain't one of those Bush Bean deals. haha

here's mine shhhh now don't tell anyone lol
I doubt he's keeping a secret, It's a fairly simple recipe readily available

Like I said in my post I never used it on buds but also nobody ever corrected my post so my guess would be I wasn't wrong to think it would be safe to use.

Thanx, I'm putting together a book for to keep in my grow room. I'm printing off stuff like this, hydro 101, and many other things, laminating them, then punch w a three hole punch. I'll try to catagorize everything so it will at my finger tips. Mites have been an ongoing battle for me. I think they're gone and the next thing they are all over. and it ain't cause I don't clean, every Wenesday, sweep, vacuum, mop w/ 5% blaech. But hydro store guy did say that everybody is in lookin for mite cures. Little bastards...

Just a thought, if you are vacuuming every week in there and haven't cleaned out your vacuum you are just throwing the mites around when you bring it back in. Also you broom probably has a bunch of eggs and whatnot on it so you are just brushing them back into the room while you are using it.

Try bombing the entire room, wiping down all your walls with a bleach solution, and spraying your plants with the organicide/neem mix here at 1/2 strength. You shouldn't have any more problems with mites as long as you are not bringing them back into the room.

You could also water with some neem oil as well and it will help the plants to get rid of the mites themselves. And if you used the organicide it will kill all the eggs as well.

Another good natural way is Eucalyptus plants and especially so Eucalyptus oil repels mites. I would think the oil is obviously not something you would want to spray on your buds but perhaps as a spray around the pot/containers and around the floor would be a good proactive preventative measure. Seems that getting a couple eucalyptus plants to keep in a corner would also help.

Thanks, I just want to know all options...Eucalyptus, huh, at a garden center?? Bob I have either done or in the process everything you mentioned except bomb. Our hydro store didn't have Organocide, but it came in today. Don't get me wrong i been battlin' em. But I WILL KILL EVERY LAST ONE OF THOSE NO GOOD LEAF EATEN SONSABITCHES. And then they will not be allowed back in, Eucalyptus and all. I do have a dog and that poor fucker gets a bath about every 3 days, scrub brush and all. And he ain't allowed downstairs.

Simple get a can or tin or plug of tobacco and put it in a galss bowl with some alcohol. Let sit over night. wearing glow latex pgploves unless youwant a hell of a cigareete buzz, squeeze all fluid out of the tobacco. Add market level of alcohol. add at laest twice as much water as you hae alcohol. Now under low hae eat or with a blow dryer evaporate of the lacohol until the lew fluid level is slightly above the marked level. Now por through a coffee filter. Now por a liitle more water over folter. Now if you add some lye (sodium hydroxidedraino) calcium hydroxide until thr pH rises above 11 or 12. The nicotine will become an oil soluable nicotine base. Slowly lower the water pH down to just over 7.5 to 8.0 pH. This can now be sprayed on the plants. The water will evapoarte away leaving the nicotine base. The nicotine abse will kill all sucking,eatting bugs. The nicotine will be absorbed and need to be reapplied but it is water solubale in a pH below 7.0 so it will be flushed from the palnts sytem when the buds are nutrient flushed. Ant y misting of the plants with water with a pH below 7.0 will also flsuh the nicotine and stop surface applied nicotine from being absorbed. I wouuld tell you how to make nicotine hydrochloride but the write up would definitely appaer like meth mah king information. As meth base is made into methamphetamine hydrochloride in the same manner in small labot ratories wghere bottled hydrochloric gas is not used. You basically just add slowly a petroleum solvent such as Toulene or Coleman fuel in with the water when the pH is 12 or higher. The base will leave the high pH (basic) water and go into the oil. Do not shake or stir it will happen given a little time. Seperate the oil and the water by decanting. Now gas the oil with hydrochloride gas. This is made by adding hydrochloric acid to salt. A toxic gas is emitted. This gas is run w from the stpoppered bottle through a tube into the oil. Within minutes specks will start apperaing in the oil. leave the oil sit covered in a refrigerator for a few hours and then pour through a funnel. The crystals will be nicotine hydrochloride. Kept in a cool dark palce in a closed container they would loose ptotency over a period of years rather than a period of days. Then to use you would jsut add to water then raise the pH to 11 or 12 then slowly lower down to between 7.5 and 8.0 so as not to burnt the plants. I would not be surprised if this reply was editted for content. If one has ever heard of an A&B wasg]h, the cat of changing the PH and seperating the water from the oil and the moving of the alkaloid from the water to the oil and bacj]=k and forth etc is doing an A&B wash. each time the transfer is n made a few more contaminats are removed so the in product is more pure ie refined. Then their is recrystaliaztion which refines it even further but that is all together a different procedure.

Thanks innercity that shit really works, I know it's been awhile since you started this thread but it took some time for me to get the Organocide. After 2 applications I can't find any of those little bastards. I thought it smelled real garlicky at first and I couldn't take the machine outside, so I did every thing inside. Booooy the next day it smelled like I' been cleaning carp down there. Luckily it was cleaning and after I mopped the floors w/ bleach water it wasn't bad, so mite killin day is Tuesday cuz cleanin day is Wednesday....Thanks again. Hey guys this shit really works.

Im a fan of JMS stylet oil. Just don't mix it with sulfur!