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#1516475 - 03/24/09 01:33 AM
Re: First Gaza, next Lebanon
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Israel Plans for War On Multiple Fronts * Text size * Larger * Smaller AnswerTips-enabled Press TV March 23, 2009 Israel is preparing for all-out war on multiple fronts that include Iran, Syria and Lebanon, a senior military commander claims. Israeli army Home Front Command Major General Yair Golan said Sunday that Tel Aviv is preparing for “all possible scenarios”, indicating that one such scenario would be to fight a simultaneous war against Iran, Syria and Lebanon. The confirmation comes as US President Barack Obama seeks “new beginnings” with its arch-rival Iran. The US offer has been met with world praise but with fury in Tel Aviv. Israeli media outlets late on Sunday began propagating wild scenarios that Iran is using the Lebanese Hezbollah to recruit Palestinian fighters to carry out terror attacks on Israel. * A d v e r t i s e m e n t * efoods Citing anonymous sources, the reports began to surface after Tel Aviv countered an alleged bombing attempt outside a shopping mall in the northern city of Haifa. “We are treating the attempted attack in Haifa with great gravity. A huge disaster was prevented by a miracle,” Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told a weekly cabinet meeting after the bomb was defused on Sunday. Israel has long accused Iran of arming Hezbollah and Palestinian groups via Syria, in an attempt to demonize the two Muslim countries. Tel Aviv also accuses Tehran of developing nuclear weaponry — a charge denied by the UN nuclear watchdog. At a conference held in Tel Aviv, Golan also confirmed the likeliness of Israel staging another military confrontation against Hamas in the Gaza Strip. Although Israel does not consider rocket attacks from Gaza as a serious threat, there is the possibility of “dangerous” missile attacks by other countries, he said. He failed to elaborate how such missile attacks would relate to Gaza. His remarks came as reports claim that the soon-to-be Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has plans for “a major military conflict in the coming months.” The commander also revealed that Tel Aviv will install new warning systems across Israel in preparation for its war plans. The last Israeli-waged war on the Gaza Strip, which began on December 27, killed at least 1,350 Palestinians and wounded more than 5,450 others in the densely-populated sliver. The aggression was the last in a series of operations carried out by the Israeli forces against the natives of the land since occupying Palestine in 1948. http://www.infowars.com/israel-plans-for-war-on-multiple-fronts/
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#1544216 - 06/10/09 11:46 PM
Re: First Gaza, next Lebanon
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David, I am not new here, I've told you plenty of times I don't need sources to back up my words, they are the expression of my own opinion, I've been hanging out here for 6 years now and like to drop screenames in favor of new ones (I never remain active with old screenames when I register new ones, so this is not a case of multiple or split personality), we are both well educated intelligent adults we both read the news not just daily but constantly, we are both adept at searching the net for information etc... Unlike you however I do not rely on others to "prove" my points, I simply express intelligent informed rational opinion, assuming that those who share these forums are mature enough and intelligent enough to consider the opinions of others and have confidence in their own. You seem to seek or thrive on the approval of others, you are a selfstyled crusader as you put it working on a paradigm shift in human understanding, I have applauded you your effort and offered you respect time and again, yet you invariable stoop to the childish level of hurrling insults and personal attacks. Why can't you be civil? Have you heard the rationally disabled Rev. Jeremiah Wright recently? dailypress.com/news/dp-local_wright_0610jun10,0,7603283.story dailypress.com EXCLUSIVE TO THE DAILY PRESS Rev. Jeremiah Wright says "Jews" are keeping him from President Obama By DAVID SQUIRES 757-247-4639 6:19 PM EDT, June 10, 2009 HAMPTON The Rev. Jeremiah Wright says he does not feel any regrets over his severed relationship with President Barack Obama, a former member of the Chicago church in which Wright was the longtime pastor. Wright also said that he had not spoken to his former church member since Obama became president, implying that the White House won't allow Obama to talk to him. He did not indicate whether he had tried to reach Obama. "Regret for what... that the media went back five, seven, 10 years and spent $4,000 buying 20 years worth of sermons to hear what I've been preaching for 20 years? "Regret for preaching like I've been preaching for 50 years? Absolutely none," Wright said. Wright said that when he went to the polls, he did not hold any grudge against Obama. "Of course I voted for him; he's my son. I'm proud of him," Wright said. "I've got five biological kids. They all make mistakes and bad choices. I haven't stopped loving any of them. "He made mistakes. He made bad choices. I've got kids who listen to their friends. He listened to those around him. I did not disown him." Asked if he had spoken to the president, Wright said: "Them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office. ... "They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is. ... I said from the beginning: He's a politician; I'm a pastor. He's got to do what politicians do." Wright also said Obama should have sent a U.S. delegation to the World Conference on Racism held recently in Geneva, Switzerland, but that the president did not do so for fear of offending Jews and Israel. "Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing (by) the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said. Wright is in Hampton this week attending Hampton University's 95th Annual Ministers Conference. The son of a pastor, Wright said he has attended the conference since he was a child – though he was not spotted at the conference in 2008 during the heat of the debate over comments he made that many in the media branded racially divisive. Perhaps without the Wright controversy, the issue of race might not have become a part of the 2008 presidential campaign. After the initial rounds of the controversy, Obama made his famous speech in Philadelphia on race relations, in which he said he could no more disown Wright than his own grandmother. But the issue heated up after more comments by Wright at the National Press Club and from other controversial speakers at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Obama eventually distanced himself from the church. Don't miss more of David Squires' exclusive interview with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright in Thursday's print edition of the Daily Press. June 10, 2009 5:58 PM Rev. Wright: "Them Jews" Won't Let Me Talk To Obama Posted by Prerana Swami | 12 (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite) In an interview with The Daily Press of Virginia, Reverend Jeremiah Wright said that "Jews" are keeping him from talking to President Obama, a former member of the pastor's church. "Them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me," Wright said. "I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office." Mr. Obama severed his relationship with Wright during his presidential campaign, after he came under fire for Wright's controversial and racially charged comments, including "God damn America." Although Wright did not specify whether he has attempted to contact the president, he said he has not spoken to Mr. Obama since January. "They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is," he said. "...I said from the beginning: He's a politician; I'm a pastor. He's got to do what politicians do." Wright says he does not bear any grudge towards Mr. Obama for his actions, although he said the president has made "bad choices," much like his children. "He's my son. I'm proud of him," Wright said. "I've got five biological kids. They all make mistakes and bad choices. I haven't stopped loving any of them. He made mistakes. He made bad choices. I've got kids who listen to their friends. He listened to those around him. I did not disown him." http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/10/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5079069.shtmlHoly cow! That`s racist; Obama disowned Wright, and is now looking for another fellowship in a new church. Wright`s had too much Nation of Islam anti Semirtism poured in his brain, or he`s psychotic.
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#1548143 - 06/22/09 08:27 PM
Re: First Gaza, next Lebanon
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Israel Plans for War On Multiple Fronts
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Israel is preparing for all-out war on multiple fronts that include Iran, Syria and Lebanon, a senior military commander claims.
Israeli army Home Front Command Major General Yair Golan said Sunday that Tel Aviv is preparing for “all possible scenarios”, indicating that one such scenario would be to fight a simultaneous war against Iran, Syria and Lebanon. Any nation who does not make itself prepared for war will eventually be attacked. Why will Libnon be next? This makes no sense whatsoever with 30,000 UN peacekeeping troops stationed in Libnon. Iran? Israel`s military isn`t designed to carry out prolonged offensive operations, and their Air Forces are only capable of getting to targets in Iran, but they would be incapable of making it back to their bases. Syria? A dry raisin whose military couldn`t fight its way out of a paper bag; how much less Israeli armor and air power? Iran? Please DML; do not make us laugh! I reckon it`s time for you to concoct another bullshit lie.
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#1552245 - 07/06/09 04:36 PM
Re: First Gaza, next Lebanon
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Israel's Next War: Today the Gaza Strip, Tomorrow Lebanon?
by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya
Global Research, January 17, 2009
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The March to War: Today the Gaza Strip, Tomorrow Lebanon...
In the Middle East, it is widely believed that the war against Gaza is an extension of the 2006 war against Lebanon. Without question, the war in the Gaza Strip is a part of the same conflict Both Gaza and Lebanon are already fractured. There is absolutely no strategic value in starting a war with either principality.Pay attention to who`s openly threatening Israel and sponsoring groups who vow to destroy Israel. Chopping heads off is Middle Eastern justice. Saudis Would Allow Israel to Attack Iran Tammuz 13, 5769, 05 July 09 06:25by Avraham Zuroff(Israelnationalnews.com) Saudi Arabia would turn the other cheek and allow Israel to use its airspace to attack Iran, London’s Sunday Times reports. According to the report, Mossad chief Meir Dagan has told Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu that Syria has hinted to the move. “The Saudis have tacitly agreed to the Israel air force flying through their airspace on a mission which is supposed to be in the common interests of both Israel and Saudi Arabia,” a diplomatic source stated. “The Saudis are very concerned about an Iranian nuclear bomb, even more that the Israelis,” a former Israeli intelligence head stated. John Bolton, the former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N., said that it was logical that Saudi Arabia would privately agree. “None of them would say anything about it publicly, but they would certainly acquiesce in an overflight if the Israelis didn’t trumpet it as a big success,” Bolton told several Arab leaders in the Gulf. “To this day, the Israelis haven’t admitted the specifics, but there’s one less nuclear facility in Syria,” Bolton added, referring to Israel’s attack on a Syrian nuclear site in 2007. Bolton said that the Arab countries would publicly condemn Israel at the U.N. but would breathe easier if the Iranian nuclear threat would be eliminated. Several media sources reported Friday that an Israeli Dolphin submarine passed through the Suez Canal on its way to the Red Sea last month as part of a naval exercise. Israeli security officials told the Reuters news agency that the exercise was done as part of testing Israel’s strategy in light of the Iranian nuclear threat. Egypt denied the reports. Two weeks ago, IDF Commander in Chief Gabi Ashkenazi related to Israel’s possibly striking Iran and announced that Iran’s re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad requires Israel to keep all its options open. “His severe expression regarding his desire to attack the State of Israel, and the constant allowance of Iran to acquire non-conventional weaponry, requires us to keep the army posted and prepared and the air force ready and sharp like a razor. Our obligation as an army is to put all the options on the table and to be prepared to deal with any threat for near and afar,” Ashkenazi said at an air force graduation course. Foreign media reported that Israel is performing military maneuvers to prepare for a possible strike on Iran, while Iran is making defensive plans. Among the exercises was an Israeli long-distance refueling in flight to the Straits of Gibraltar and Iran’s employing an anti-ballistic battery a half year ago. Michael Oren, Israel’s Ambassador to the United States, said Friday that Israel could be wiped off the map in seconds if Iran were to make a nuclear strike against Israel. “This is a regime that’s willing to kill its own citizens; it will certainly have no compunctions killing other people in the region, Jews and Sunni Arabs alike,” Oren told journalist Jeffrey Goldberg at the Aspen Ideas Festival in Colorado. www.IsraelNationalNews.com© Copyright IsraelNationalNews.com Subscribe to the free Daily Israel Report - israelnn.com/subscribe http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132195'Nuke could wipe Israel out in seconds' Jul. 4, 2009 JPost.com Staff , THE JERUSALEM POST Recently appointed ambassador to the United States Michael Oren warned over the weekend that an Iranian atomic bomb could "wipe Israel off the map in a matter of seconds," and that the Iranians could "accomplish in a matter of seconds what they denied Hitler did, and kill 6 million Jews, literally." Oren was speaking to The Atlantic journalist Jeffrey Goldberg in a forum at the Aspen Ideas Festival in Colorado. Oren said it was "very important" that the world keep its eyes open to what happens in Iran, referring to the post-election riots there and the possibility that a political shift might give birth to a more moderate and more accommodating regime in the country, but warned: "Everyone is waiting to see what will come out of this, but while we're waiting, while we're watching, the [nuclear] clock is ticking." Asked about the current US policy on Iran, Oren said he wouldn't "second-guess" US President Barack Obama's next move, but expressed satisfaction that Obama's last statement was "very clear, very adamant" on the Iranian election, in his scathing criticism of the regime's crackdown against the civilian Iranian population following the contested election. The ambassador pointed out there was a silver lining to recent events in Iran, in that "the events have unmasked to the world, to anybody who ever doubted, the true nature of this regime," which, he said, "would have no compunction about killing its own people, Jews, or Sunni [Muslims] alike." Oren said he was certain Obama had "the best interests of the US and the interest of Israel at heart" when confronting the Iranian nuclear program but added that Israel was concerned mainly about the "timing and timeline" of such action. Asked why it was so important for Jews to live in their own state, with Goldberg, himself an American Jew, musing that US Jews seem to enjoy a safer existence in America, Oren said that for the first time in 2,000 years, "Jews take responsibility" for both their successes and their failures. The establishment of the State of Israel, he said, transformed Jews "from passive actors in their history to active actors in their history." He proudly remarked that statistically, Israel enjoys the second highest longevity rate in the world, bettered only by Japan, and urged US Jews: "Come to Israel and live long." Oren jokingly added "you may have a Kassam rocket being launched once in a while but you'll be watching them for a long time." Oren also tackled the current hot potato in US-Israel relations, Jewish settlements in the West Bank. "I never said settlements are not an issue… but they're not the issue." He said Palestinian education was undermining any efforts Israel could make to bridge gaps between the sides. "Palestinians have to begin to end hatred, on their TV and in their textbooks," otherwise Jews and Palestinian Muslims will never be able to reach a middle ground. Oren said Israel and the US were "working earnestly, ardently" to find a solution palatable to both sides regarding the settlements. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1246443717447 Now you know who may be next on the hit list!
" Bolton said that the Arab countries would publicly condemn Israel at the U.N. but would breathe easier if the Iranian nuclear threat would be eliminated.
Several media sources reported Friday that an Israeli Dolphin submarine passed through the Suez Canal on its way to the Red Sea last month as part of a naval exercise. Israeli security officials told the Reuters news agency that the exercise was done as part of testing Israel’s strategy in light of the Iranian nuclear threat. Egypt denied the reports." German Dolphin class attack submarine:Nuclear capable
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#1552284 - 07/06/09 07:22 PM
Re: First Gaza, next Lebanon
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#1552351 - 07/06/09 10:00 PM
Re: First Gaza, next Lebanon
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"Both Gaza and Lebanon are already fractured." Gee ... I wonder why. It could be because Arabs just can't manage to organize a nation ... wait, that can't be it ... there are so many other Arab nations. Maybe it's because Israel won't let Gaza have a port ... or even let ships with emergency supplies land ... yeah ... maybe: At around noon on July 5, EST, a phone call, from a verifiable source, was received by a member of former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney's camp indicating that the American prisoners in Israel have been moved to a detainment facility closer to the Ben Gurion Airport. McKinney's imprisonment has shed additional light upon the plight of Gaza – which is one of two possible results of her trip – the other one being that supplies and a little joy for the children might have actually been delivered. Either way, it's a step toward healing Gaza. And the Palestinians, observing the commitment of the humanitarians to delivering aid, see that some of the world cares. None of McKinney's Congressional colleagues, nor those compatriots with whom she was involved in the presidential race, have made a public statement on her behalf since her capture on June 30. These events have brought to light just how much help an American citizen - whether a former public servant or not - incarcerated in Israel, under very suspicious circumstances, can expect from their government. According to the Reuters article "UN expert says Israeli seizure of aid ship a crime" (on OEN), a U.N. human rights investigator called Israel's seizure of the ship carrying relief aid for the Gaza Strip "unlawful" and said its blockade of the territory constituted a "continuing crime against humanity". The article went on to say that "Richard Falk, the United Nations special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, said the move was part of Israel's "cruel blockade of the entire Palestinian population of Gaza" in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Richard Falk, the United Nations special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, said the move was part of Israel's "cruel blockade of the entire Palestinian population of Gaza" in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention." http://www.opednews.com/articles/McKinney-Relocated-from-Is-by-Meryl-Ann-Butler-090705-681.html BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: I think it is clear that the United States, the people of the United States, the president of the United States, free people everywhere, decent people everywhere, are amazed at the desire of the people there—and their willingness to come to stand up for their rights. I cannot, as I said, tell you what is going to happen. I can tell you what I would do, what we all would do in the face of demonstrations. As we speak, there is a demonstration right now outside my window, outside my office. Well, democracies acted differently. They do not send an armed agents of the regime to brutally mowed down the demonstrators. I called in these demonstrators that happen to be representative of a non-Jewish minority in Israel, the Druze community, they have certain protests about the financing of their municipalities. I called their leaders in. I talked to them and said, ‘How can I help you?” That is what democratic leaders and democratic countries do. AMY GOODMAN: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. David Gregory didn’t ask him about, did not push him on this point of how the Israeli military deals with protests. But what’s your response to this, John Pilger? JOHN PILGER: But no one ever presses an Israeli leader. Netanyahu or Olmert or any of them. There are given, Israeli leaders were given a legitimacy during what was unconditionally a massacre in December-January of this year. And the sum of that was to suggest, number one, that there was a war between Israel and Gaza and there wasn’t. There was an assault on Gaza that was aimed at civilians, on a defenseless country, a helpless country, a trapped people. And the second impression was that, yes, Israel is a democracy. And we will discuss this on television with you, we will discuss the finer points. The way Israel is reported in the United States is media manipulation as almost as high art form. When people like Netanyahu whose very utterances and his background would suggest somebody, I think safe to say not credible, but somebody of well, those of us who would say somebody would be a prima facie war criminal, is given this kind of legitimacy. Not even questioned, not even challenged about the events in this country and his own extreme utterances. Yes, we have cartoon figures like Lieberman who is—as foreign minister very important, but rather grotesque character in a sense. AMY GOODMAN: Avigdor Liberman JOHN PILGER: He can be made perhaps or drawn out as the sort of strange that bad apple in the barrel. I think it is that legitimacy the mainstream media gives one side. And the sum of that, as far as Palestine is concerned is that there is no illegitimate occupation. There is no illegality. There is sum illegality as Obama referred to in his Cairo speech about the continuing building of settlements, but there is no suggestion that this is the longest, most brutal, illegal military occupation in our lifetime. AMY GOODMAN: Let me just go to that for one minute. President Obama in Cairo giving his address in the Middle East, talking specifically about the settlements. BARACK OBAMA: The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop. AMY GOODMAN: That was President Obama in Cairo in his heralded address to the Muslim world. John Pilger, he says the continued expansion of settlements has to stop, your response? And an overall to his entire address? JOHN PILGER: He says the continuing response, but what about all the settlements, the so-called settlements, colonies, that have so honeycombed the Occupied Territories over almost two decades? I thought the most significant aspect of that statement was he referred to the continuing settlements, leave the ones that have already been built. Let’s stop building them now. Of course, the Israelis, ever resourceful in this area, got around this very quickly. by issuing building licenses to those settlements that were about to be built and hadn’t been built as if they had been built so they would not fall into President Obama’s category. I didn’t think President Obama’s Cairo speech added up to anything. Yes, it had different language. It did not use Bush’s aggressive “you’re with us or against us”. It was very soothing. I read one commentators rather apt description of Obama’s words as supplying a kind of mood music to the Middle East. But in the end, what did he offer? Did you talk about the law? The whole issue of Palestine is really about a respect for law. Did he go back to the 1976 resolution? There it is, it calls on the Palestine state. Did he reach out to the government in Gaza, which in spite of the media distortion, has time and again called for a two-state agreement in the Middle East? Did he make any move that would begin to resolve this injustice? Did he paint it as an injustice? Because that is what it is, in injustice on the scale that none of us in our own countries and in our own lives would tolerate. The answer is, no, he didn’t. This is not to suggest that there will be some helpful window dressing here and there, I don’t know. But, it seems to me that the pressure on Obama over the Middle East as in so many other issues, has been so minimal that he can simply perform as Bush-light. http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/6/filmmaker_journalist_john_pilger_on_honduras
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#1552486 - 07/07/09 08:16 AM
Re: First Gaza, next Lebanon
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"Both Gaza and Lebanon are already fractured."
Gee ... I wonder why. Just begin with the bloodbath Yasser Arabrat instigated against the Maronite Christians. If you remember anything about that mess, both Israel and Syria were shelling the shit out of each other and opposing factions all at once. Take your,"Geee... I wonder why?", to the kids here who are too young to remember an invading terror group and an Iranian funded guerilla war dusted Beirut and surrounding suburbs. Iran 'leading terrorism sponsor' Iran remains the "most active state sponsor of terrorism" in the world, a report by the US state department says. It says Iran's role in the planning and financing of terror-related activities in the Middle East and Afghanistan threatens efforts to promote peace. Al-Qaeda remains the biggest danger to the US and the West, the annual report states, noting that terror attacks are rising in Pakistan. Iran rejected the report, saying the US was guilty of double standards. Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said the US had no right to accuse others in light of its actions at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. 'Existential threat' The BBC's state department correspondent, Kim Ghattas, says the new US administration may be trying to engage Tehran, but, just like last year, Iran is still described as the most active state sponsor of terrorism. The report charges that Iran's involvement in countries like Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan and in the Palestinian territories threatens efforts to promote peace, economic stability in the Gulf and democracy. The report singles out the Quds force, an elite branch of Iran's Revolutionary Guard as the channel through which Iran supports terrorist activities and groups abroad. The report also takes to task Syria, an Iranian ally in the region. Of equal concern, our correspondent notes, is the advance of al-Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan where terrorist attacks are sharply on the rise while the rest of the world, including Iraq, has seen terrorist attacks decrease. The acting coordinator for counter-terrorism for the state department, Ronald Schlicher, told journalists that al-Qaeda was using border areas of Pakistan to regroup. "Al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda associated networks remain the greatest terrorist threat to the US and its partners," he said. Mr Schlicher said they were using the Afghan-Pakistan border area "as a safe haven where they can hide, where they can train, where they can communicate with their followers, where they can plot attacks and where they can make plans to send fighters to support the insurgency in Afghanistan". Washington is worried that the government in Islamabad might collapse, and last week US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the Taleban fighters posed an existential threat to Pakistan, which is a nuclear power, our correspondent adds. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/8028064.stmPublished: 2009/05/01 05:32:10 GMT http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8028064.stm Nuclear weapons are only a part of the reason Israel may decide to turn the rocks into pebbles and the pebbles into sand.
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#1553597 - 07/10/09 02:35 AM
Re: First Gaza, next Lebanon
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If this happens then there are severe chances of having a war between both countries. And as we all know that war is not a good thing for any of us neither Israel nor Palestine or Lebanon and the rest of the world. So hope we will see peace in the future.
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#1561791 - 08/01/09 11:58 PM
Re: First Gaza, next Lebanon
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Culture War Replaces Missile War Michael J. Totten - 07.28.2009 - 10:52 AM In early 2006, shortly before the outbreak of the Second Lebanon War, an Israeli intelligence officer predicted the future. “Missile war will replace terrorist war,” he told me when I spoke with him at the Ministry of Defense. He was right. Just a few months later, Hezbollah launched thousands of Katyusha rockets into Northern Israel and forced hundreds of thousands of civilians to flee south toward Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. South Lebanon was punished much more thoroughly than Northern Israel, but the Palestinians in Gaza nevertheless took Hezbollah’s Baghdad Bob–style boasts of “divine victory” seriously. Hamas ramped up its own rocket war until fed-up Israelis gave Gaza the South Lebanon treatment this past December and January. Hamas is a bit slower to learn than was Hezbollah, but seven long months after the conclusion of Operation Cast Lead, the rockets out of Gaza have finally stopped. Israelis will no longer put up with indiscriminate attacks on their houses and schools. Many Palestinians in Gaza have likewise had their fill of Hamas’s self-destructive campaign of “resistance.” The New York Times reports that Hamas has decided to wage a “culture war” instead of a rocket war because, as one leader put it, “the fighters needed a break and the people needed a break.” Movies, plays, art exhibitions, and poems are Hamas’s new weapons. Hamas supporters, though, aren’t the only Palestinians in Gaza using art as a weapon. Said al-Bettar skewers Hamas every night at Gaza City’s Shawa cultural center in his popular play The Women of Gaza and the Patience of Job. “We were the victims of a big lie,” he says about the doctrine of armed “resistance.” The Israeli intelligence official I spoke to deserves some credit for predicting the replacement of terrorist war with missile war. Hamas and Islamic Jihad had already fired rockets at Israel, but they hadn’t fired many, and neither the recent Gaza war nor the Second Lebanon War had yet started. Since then a pattern has emerged that should be obvious to anybody with eyes to see, whether they’re an intelligence official or not. After Israeli soldiers withdraw from occupied territory, Israeli civilians are shot at with rockets from inside that territory. Another pattern has just been made clear. After Israelis shoot back, the rockets stop flying. It has been years since Hezbollah has dared to fire rockets at Israel or start anything else on the border. Hamas no longer dares to fire rockets at Israel either. Israelis remain under pressure to withdraw from the West Bank. They almost certainly will withdraw from most of the West Bank eventually. Few, though, are in the mood to do so right now since they were shot at from Gaza and Lebanon after they withdrew from those places. They see the pattern even if others don’t. It’s possible, of course, that West Bank Palestinians will never fire a significant number of rockets, if any, at Israel. They seem more sensible in general than Gazans. Hamas leaders in Gaza also talk to Hamas leaders in Ramallah, Nablus, and Hebron. I think it’s safe to say that the West Bank isn’t hearing any “divine victory” nonsense from Gaza right now. Then again, Gazans proved themselves incapable of learning from Hezbollah’s mistakes. And the New York Times says Hamas wants to acquire longer-range missiles. So who knows? This much, though, is all but certain: if a rocket war erupts between Israel and the West Bank, Israelis will respond as they did in Gaza and Lebanon. The jury is still out on whether the Arab world has learned the recent relevant lessons, but there shouldn’t be any doubt that Israelis have. Rocket war doesn’t work, but the military solution to rocket war does. http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/totten/74571 Israelis remain under pressure to withdraw from the West Bank. They almost certainly will withdraw from most of the West Bank eventually. Few, though, are in the mood to do so right now since they were shot at from Gaza and Lebanon after they withdrew from those places. They see the pattern even if others don’t.
It’s possible, of course, that West Bank Palestinians will never fire a significant number of rockets, if any, at Israel. They seem more sensible in general than Gazans. Hamas leaders in Gaza also talk to Hamas leaders in Ramallah, Nablus, and Hebron. I think it’s safe to say that the West Bank isn’t hearing any “divine victory” nonsense from Gaza right now.
Then again, Gazans proved themselves incapable of learning from Hezbollah’s mistakes. And the New York Times says Hamas wants to acquire longer-range missiles. So who knows?
This much, though, is all but certain: if a rocket war erupts between Israel and the West Bank, Israelis will respond as they did in Gaza and Lebanon. The jury is still out on whether the Arab world has learned the recent relevant lessons, but there shouldn’t be any doubt that Israelis have. Rocket war doesn’t work, but the military solution to rocket war does. We`re still waiting for that war. It`s very difficult to argue against the outcome of both the Lebanon and Gaza campaigns in light of the resulting halt in rocket fire from either location. It is hard to imagine Israel withdrawing from anywhere if all they get in return is attacked.
"We live as neighbors in the south, Jews and Arabs, and will continue to do so after the current violent conflict. As rockets don't differentiate between Arab and Jew, citizen and terrorist, we ask leaders on both sides to open their eyes and behave differently." - Statement from Darom for Peace during the recent conflict.
Rockets are not weapons of terror; are they?
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Ultimately all is understood Fear gOd and observe His commandments for this is the completion of man
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