Yeah; like we`re going to hang around forever with people who made Islam the official national religion?

"That`s really funny. The military never impeded West Germany from becoming an independent economic powerhouse. The military never stopped Japan from retaining their emperor and becoming the world`s second largest economy; for that matter, the military did not even prevent Japan from developing nuclear power, and the West sold them plutonium for their breeder reactors. It appears you`re clutching for straws to hang onto; the past does not corroborate your confabulation."

The military weren't in those places to steal things.

If you look at Haiti, or Cuba, or Panama, or anywhere in Latin America ... or almost anywhere in the underdeveloped world ... if you look at the military's role in teaching torture and oppression, if you look at anything they did to poor countries it was bad for the people and good for the puppet rulers:


The occupation by the United States had several effects on Haiti. An early period of unrest culminated in a 1918 rebellion by up to 40,000 former cacos and other disgruntled people. The scale of the uprising overwhelmed the Gendarmerie, but marine reinforcements helped put down the revolt at the estimated cost of 2,000 Haitian lives. Thereafter, order prevailed to a degree that most Haitians had never witnessed. The order, however, was imposed largely by white foreigners with deep-seated racial prejudices and a disdain for the notion of self-determination by inhabitants of less-developed nations.

http://countrystudies.us/haiti/15.htm



Over its 59 years, the SOA has trained over 60,000 Latin American soldiers in counterinsurgency techniques, sniper training, commando and psychological warfare, military intelligence and interrogation tactics. These graduates have consistently used their skills to wage a war against their own people. Among those targeted by SOA graduates are educators, union organizers, religious workers, student leaders, and others who work for the rights of the poor. Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans have been tortured, raped, assassinated, “disappeared,” massacred, and forced into refugee by those trained at the School of Assassins.

http://www.soaw.org/type.php?type=8




By our count, the United States has occupied or helped to occupy 19 countries in the last century with the goal of reshaping their political system. These include Afghanistan, Austria, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Cambodia, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Germany, Grenada, Haiti, Japan, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nicaragua, Palau, Panama, the Philippines, Somalia, South Korea, and South Vietnam. ... the countries that became democratic after U.S. occupation were already much more likely to become so; the countries that failed to become democratic were always unlikely to make the transition. At best, U.S. occupation seems to exercise only a modest and indirect influence on a country’s long-term political development.

http://media.hoover.org/images/digest20033_lawson2b.JPG



There has been a huge spike in suicide bombings all across the world, but mostly in Iraq and Afghanistan where the United States plays a major role as not only an invader but an occupier of both countries.

The Washington Post and MSNBC NEWS are reporting the following:

Suicide bombings up worldwide
Out of 658 attacks worldwide last year, 542 were in U.S.-occupied countries
By Robin Wright
The Washington Post

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24194773/



You just chose the two richest countries that the US has occupied and decided to judge the entire record on them.

Did you skip ALL your history lessons as a child ... because I don't ever remember being taught about the wonderful things the US did in other countries.

The military is not in Iraq to steal things. Your opening article and this thread title have already been proven false. I`m not going to hang around and argue needlessly over any new avenues you open in order to distract attention to the main theme here. You simply FUed when you tried to make the Guardian`s speculations factual. It`s not wise to believe something written in the middle of a war by biased assholes. Certain aspects of the article still have relevence, but the bulk of it is pure speculative tripe.

Agility Seeks Iraq Contracts, Expansion in Emerging Markets
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By Fiona MacDonald

July 7 (Bloomberg) -- Agility, the Middle East’s biggest storage and logistics company, is seeking oil and gas opportunities in Iraq as part of its expansion in emerging markets, Chairman and Managing Director Tarek Sultan said.

“There are a lot of companies looking to do business in Iraq, but don’t know how and need logistical support,” Sultan said in an interview yesterday at his Kuwait office. “Oil and gas customers are looking to partner with companies that know how to do business in Iraq.”

Volume in the commercial logistics industry has dropped 20 percent to 30 percent because of the global recession, Agility said in May when it reported first-quarter profit fell 1.6 percent to 36.95 million dinars ($128 million). Agility aims to tap into Iraq’s growth potential to compensate for sluggish sales elsewhere by providing logistical, security and catering support.

About $5 billion of Agility’s annual revenue of $7 billion comes from its global logistics business and from private-sector customers, while the remainder is generated from defense and government contracts, Sultan said. As much as 70 percent of its defense business is in Iraq.

The company, which operates in more than 120 countries, will lose some revenue with the U.S. troop pull-out from Iraq, Sultan said. There will be opportunities for the company in the physical movement of the troops.

Agility, which has made five acquisitions this year, is looking to expand in Angola, Morocco, Nigeria and Uganda, Sultan said. The company has $1.5 billion in cash to help finance its expansion and low levels of debt, Sultan said.

To contact the reporter on this story: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601104&sid=aVohYMOAg2gY

Where`s Haliburton??? http://www.agilitylogistics.com/EN/Pages/Landing.aspx

Market Scan
Iraqi Oil Goes To China
Vivian Wai-yin Kwok, 07.07.09, 10:55 AM ET

HONG KONG -
A week after China was granted a license to develop Iraq’s largest known oilfield, the three largest Chinese oil companies are already gearing up to bid for 11 other oil and gas field contracts in Iraq that will be auctioned off later this year.

China National Petroleum Corp. (CNPC), China Petrochemical Corp (Sinopec) are likely to take part in Iraq’s second oil and gas fields auction as the rich oil and gas reserves in Iraq are too attractive to be neglected, China Daily reported Tuesday, citing unnamed sources close to the situation. Fu Chengyu, president of China National Offshore Oil Corp (CNOOC, told the state media last Saturday that the company may also try again in the second bidding.

To fuel up the country’s robust development, Chinese oil firms have been eyeing different opportunities to invest in overseas oil projects. Yet China’s ambition regarding Western oil reserves has been closely monitored and strongly rejected since CNOOC attempted to acquire U.S. energy company Unocal for $18.5 billion in 2005. Unocal was later sold to American oil giant Chevron. Political obstacles have been sizeable in Western democratic countries over worries about major energy resources being accessed by the state-owned Chinese companies operated by Chinese communists.

Chinese oil giants have turned to Africa and other developing countries to explore oil. With 115 billion barrels in proved remaining recoverable reserves, about 10% of the global total, Iraq has the world’s third-largest oil reserve after Saudi Arabia and Iran, and is China’s latest investment target.

To avoid unnecessary political pressure and to increase their chances to win the unprecedented oil projects, China Daily said Chinese companies might team up with foreign companies to form consortia to bid in Iraq’s second auction, continuing the strategy they used in the first round.

All the three Chinese major oil enterprises, paired with different overseas partners, took part in the bidding for all six oilfields and two gasfields contracts last Tuesday at Iraq’s first auction since the U.S.-led invasion.

The consortium formed by CNPC and BP won a contract to develop the Rumaila oilfield in southeast Iraq, the largest known oilfield in Iraq, discovered in 1950s. According to CNPC’s announcement, the alliance was granted a 20-year technical service contract, with a possible 5-year extension thereafter.

Among the eight auctioned last week, Iraq was able to award only the CNPC-BP alliance an agreement in developing the Rumaila oilfield. The significant differences between the Iraqi government and oil majors over payment terms made the other seven oil and gas fields remain idle.

After the failure of its first auction, the Iraqi government is planning to move up the second round of tenders for another 11 undeveloped fields to the end of this year http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/07/china-iraq-oil-markets-equity-cnpc_print.html

cHINA? Forming consortia to strengthen their hand in a second round of bidding for Iraq oil contracts? You`re losing DML; all you cand do is resort to falling back on your memorized rhetoric?

"The military is not in Iraq to steal things."

They have stolen control of the oil from the Iraqi people.





"Your opening article and this thread title have already been proven false."

By what? Your opinions?




"I`m not going to hang around and argue needlessly over any new avenues you open in order to distract attention to the main theme here."

And what is that theme? "Confusing access and control"?






"You simply FUed when you tried to make the Guardian`s speculations factual."

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Quote me.




"It`s not wise to believe something written in the middle of a war by biased assholes."

That's why I question you and your FOX News sources constantly.






"Where`s Haliburton???"

Everywhere the troops are stealing control of oil resources:


"By all accounts, KBR's logistical achievements in support of the troops in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan have been nothing short of amazing. To date under the LOGCAP III contract, KBR has:

-- Prepared nearly 411 million meals

-- Washed more than 21.7 million bundles of laundry

-- Produced 5.85 billion gallons of water

-- Transported more than 648 million gallons of military fuel

-- Hosted more than 73.5 million patrons in MWR (Morale, Welfare and Recreation) facilities

-- Delivered nearly 205.7 million pounds of mail

-- Logged more than 100 million miles driven in support of the troops, with more than 650 trucks on the road on any given day"

http://www.halliburton.com/public/news/pubsdata/press_statement/2006/kbrnws_091406.html




In one of the many examples of abuse, Greenhouse said that military auditors caught Halliburton overcharging the Pentagon for fuel deliveries into Iraq. She also complained that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's office took control of every aspect of Halliburton's $7 billion no-bid Iraqi oil/infrastructure contract. After her testimony Greenhouse was demoted, allegedly for poor performance, though USACE.[28] Greenhouse had received excellent performance ratings in the past. Greenhouse's attorney, Michael Kohn, stated in the New York Times that "She is being demoted because of her strict adherence to procurement requirements and the Army's preference to sidestep them when it suits their needs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton#Whistleblowing_after_Iraq_war





"You`re losing DML; all you cand do is resort to falling back on your memorized rhetoric?"

Controlling China and Europe's access to oil isn't "rhetoric", it's "fact".

What you're doing - trying to confuse "access" and "control", is the real "rhetoric" in the "insincere or grandiloquent language" sense of the word.

Calling Hitler a humanist is laughable.

Historical facts? You make a mockery of facts whenever you speak, yet refuse to acknowledge such.

Let us break this down.

1. Iran NEVER declared War on the U.S. I dare you to find the declaration. No such thing exists. Stop using such an inflammatory statement with no basis in FACT.

2. FACT: The state with the greatest body count for sponsoring terrorism is the U.S.

3. FACT: For every war crime or crime against humanity committed by Saddam there were members of the then current U.S. administrations who were either complicit or openly supportive.

4. Logical conclusion: If you believe Saddam deserved to die, then what about those who propped him up, armed him, gave him satellite data to better gas Iranians, or sat back while he massacred his own people? I contend that they also should be brought up charged, and then executed. What is your opinion?

Since you want to go all red herring and bring up Stalin and Hitler as if they have anything to do with either what we are talking about or my political ideology, here are some mass murderers that your government has supported.

Pinochet
Shah Pahlavi
Saddam Hussein
Juan Claude Duvalier
Idi Amin Dada
King Fahd bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud
Ferdinand Marcos
Muhammad Ayub Khan
Suharto
General Manuel Noriega

This is not an exhaustive list.

Not really. Hitler`s belief in a master race only narrowed the focus of humanistic principles. The fact remains that a common thread exists which says that only humans are capable of granting rights, priveleges and freedoms. Humanist principles deny the fact that whatever man gives to man can be denied just as easily.
Inalienable rights are not subject to man`s approval because people are conceived with,"certain inalienable rights", which Humanists have manipulated to fit an agenda.

The inevitable outcome of secular humanism is the formation of a ruling class elite; evidence of this phenomena was the day you told me I am a useless human being. That is a Hitler concept which led to the Holocaust which was fueled by National Socialist conformity to an elitist doctrine. Have fun making friends and influencing people.

"Not really. Hitler`s belief in a master race only narrowed the focus of humanistic principles."

I do believe you pull facts out of your ass so often you don't smell the stench.

If you ever bother to look shit up, this is what you might find:

"According to philosophical humanism, it is up to humans to find the truth, as opposed to seeking it through revelation, mysticism, tradition, or anything else that is incompatible with the application of logic to the observable evidence. In demanding that humans avoid blindly accepting unsupported beliefs, it supports scientific skepticism and the scientific method, rejecting authoritarianism and extreme skepticism, and rendering faith in the supernatural an unacceptable basis for action."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

Hmmm ... rejecting mysticism and authoritarianism ... sounds like "humanism" and "Hitlerism" are total opposites!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_beliefs

He was appointed chancellor in 1933, and quickly established and made reality his vision of a totalitarian, autocratic, single party, national socialist dictatorship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

"...evidence of this phenomena was the day you told me I am a useless human being."

Nah ... you would probably be seen as "useless" in a consensus based democracy too ... unless you consider being a lapdog for authoritarians a "use".

So what can you accomplish outside of the law? Section 8 welfare? Prison/thousands of dollars in legal fees? A lame case before the Supreme Court of Canada? Prison? BTW, have you cut a plea bargain deal yet to keep out of prison? Outside the law in a democratic nation will always get you marginalized at the very least; just ask the Liberal ca Party eh?

I suppose you are useful to those who you blindly follow.

"So what can you accomplish outside of the law?"

I can help educate a public to the point that they support the legalization of cannabis for all users (63%) or for use in a medical context (93%).


"Section 8 welfare?"

Not using welfare currently - I was only on it briefly in 1998 while I was preparing for court.




"Prison/thousands of dollars in legal fees?"

I'm saving money by doing all the legal work myself.




"A lame case before the Supreme Court of Canada?"

It wasn't lame - it was a strong case that would have won if the Supremes were inclined to protect liberty ... it turns out they were not which was a valuable bit of information in and of itself (it also educated many people who heard about it and a whole generation of law students).



"BTW, have you cut a plea bargain deal yet to keep out of prison?"

Nope.

How about yourself? Have you gotten off your ass and lifted a finger to fight criminalization? Or are you here to attack those of us who attempt things?



"Outside the law in a democratic nation will always get you marginalized at the very least..."

Riiiiiiight.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr._Day

"Gandhi's birthday, 2 October, is a national holiday in India, Gandhi Jayanti."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Legacy


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela#Acclaim





"I suppose you are useful to those who you blindly follow."

I vocally and publicly disagree with everyone I respect to a certain extent. You have no evidence that I "blindly follow" anyone ... you just make shit up ... I hope your bad karma catches up with you real soon.