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#1548486 - 06/23/09 06:14 PM Re: C-15 Senate Debate [Re: kenny_canuck]
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Omg im starting to hate canada, for real. I cant even sleep at night anymore for fear of going to jail, I feel bad for growing my own, Is pot really worth 6 months of your life?
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#1548634 - 06/24/09 09:00 AM Senate Denies Bill c15
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According to Marc Emeries Facebook Marc Emery has it posted that Bill C-15 didn't pass this senate vote. It was 38 against and 33 for it . It comes back up for vote in October


Edited by tendonut (06/24/09 09:12 AM)
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#1548644 - 06/24/09 09:15 AM Re: Senate Denies Bill c15 [Re: tendonut]
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Originally Posted By: tendonut
According to marc emeries facebook Marc Emery has it posted that Bill C-15 didn't pass this senate vote. I it was 38 against and 33 for it . It comes back up for vote in october


If this is true, it would sure be nice if he posted it here on his web site. Not all of us belong to facebook, as I don't trust all that personal information being out there. Please post on your own site Marc.
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#1548645 - 06/24/09 09:17 AM Re: Senate Denies Bill c15 [Re: tendonut]
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What happened was the majority of the Senate refused to rush the bill through. Its on regular schedule instead of expedited.

This gives us the summer to flood the senate with well thought out letters. Also every MP needs a letter.

This is is our "Cannabis Summer School" project. Tell everyone you know that cares in the least.

Senators to contact
http://sen.parl.gc.ca/Home-e.htm

MP's to contact:
http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParli...&Language=E

This is our last chance to defeat the Reefer Madness bill.

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#1548647 - 06/24/09 09:19 AM Re: Senate Denies Bill c15 [Re: Alan Middlemiss]
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http://parl.gc.ca/40/2/parlbus/chambus/s...rl=40&Ses=2

Controlled Drugs and Substances Act

Bill to Amend—Second Reading—Debate Continued

On the Order:

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Wallace,
seconded by the Honourable Senator Duffy, for the second reading of
Bill C-15, An Act to amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act and
to make related and consequential amendments to other Acts.

Hon. Consiglio Di Nino: Honourable senators, I am pleased to rise
today to speak briefly in favour of Bill C-15.

Hon. Claudette Tardif (Deputy Leader of the Opposition): Honourable
senators, I want to reserve 45 minutes for the critic on our side. We
have no objection to Senator Di Nino speaking as long as the time is
reserved.

Senator Di Nino: I believe it is essential to refer to the Standing
Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs Bill C-15, An Act
to amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act and to make related
consequential amendments to other Acts. The bill proposes amendments
to strengthen the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act provisions
regarding penalties for serious drug offences by ensuring that these
types of offences are punished by the imposition of mandatory minimum
penalties. I believe these amendments will contribute to improving the
safety and security of communities across Canada.

Honourable senators, the courts have made it abundantly clear that
unless Parliament takes action, as proposed in this bill, to set a
mandatory term of imprisonment, conditional sentences will continue to
be available for the most serious offences, provided that the other
prerequisites to the availability of a conditional sentence in the
Criminal Code are satisfied. As an example, conditional sentences are
not available if the sentence imposed is more than two years
imprisonment.

In 2001, the Alberta Court of Appeal in the case of R. v. Rahime
considered six conditional sentences that had been imposed on persons
involved in selling cocaine. The good news is that the court set three
years as a starting point for trafficking in more than minimal amounts
of cocaine. The bad news is that the court upheld conditional
sentences for all six offenders. The court stated that the settled
principles of sentencing, "preclude appellate imposition of general
sentencing rules which could have the effect of mandating a sentence
of two years or greater for commercial trafficking in cocaine and
barring that class of offence from the purview of the conditional
sentences regime." Since that time, conditional sentences for
trafficking in the most dangerous drugs have become routine.

Let no one doubt that the availability of conditional sentences does
not undermine deterrence. In the recent Alberta case of R. v. Bibby,
the court imposed a conditional sentence on a person who had
trafficked on three occasions in ecstasy and once in cocaine.
Ironically, the trial judge, as one the reasons not to impose a
sentence of incarceration stated, "the accused Bibby is afraid of
going to jail and will do anything to avoid it." Apparently, Mr. Bibby
was prepared to traffic in drugs because he was certain he would not
go to jail if caught.

Honourable senators, we must make it clear that the intention of
Parliament is that all persons who engage in the drug trade for profit
should go to jail, subject to the limited exceptions, as provided for
in Bill C-15, of those who are involved in the trade only to finance
their own addictions.

Honourable senators, the new penalties will not apply to possession
offences or to offences involving all types of drugs. The mandatory
minimum penalties apply only to Schedule I — cocaine, heroin, meth —
and to Schedule II — cannabis. Other drugs, like steroids and
barbiturates, are listed in Schedules III to VI.

Moreover, the minimum penalties apply only where there are certain
aggravating factors. I will not go through all the provisions but for
the most dangerous drugs, such as cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine,
the aggravating factors are: the offence is committed for the benefit
of, at the direction of, or in association with organized crime; the
offence involved violence or threat of violence or weapons or threat
of the use of weapons; or the offence is committed by someone who was
convicted in the previous 10 years of a designated drug offence. If
the offence occurs in the presence of youth, or if youth are present,
or the offence occurs in a prison, the minimum is increased to two
years. Surely, honourable senators will agree that this is an
appropriate minimum sentence for such conduct. I urge honourable
senators to give Bill C-15 second reading so that the important
measures it contains can become law quickly.

Honourable senators, Canadians, in particular our youth, need and
deserve the protection that the provisions of this bill will provide.
Let us do our part and send this bill to committee now.

Some Hon. Senators: Question!

Senator Tardif: I move the adjournment of the debate.

The Hon. the Speaker: Is it your pleasure to adopt the motion?

Some Hon. Senators: No.

The Hon. the Speaker: I will put the question formally.

It was moved by the Honourable Senator Tardif, seconded by the
Honourable Senator Fraser, that debate be adjourned to the next
sitting of the Senate.

Is it your pleasure, honourable senators, to adopt the motion?


Some Hon. Senators: Yes.

Some Hon. Senators: No.

The Hon. the Speaker: Will all those in favour will please say "yea"?

Some Hon. Senators: Yea.

The Hon. the Speaker: Will all those opposed will please say "nay"?

Some Hon. Senators: Nay.

The Hon. the Speaker: In my opinion, the "yeas" have it.

And two honourable senators having risen:

The Hon. the Speaker: There will be a one-hour bell unless it is
agreed otherwise.

Hon. Joan Fraser: Thirty minutes.

The Hon. the Speaker: Honourable senators, the vote will take place at
8:20 p.m. Call in the senators.

(2020)

Motion agreed to on the following division:

YEAS
THE HONOURABLE SENATORS

Bacon Hubley
Callbeck Jaffer
Campbell Joyal
Carstairs Losier-Cool
Chaput Lovelace Nicholas
Cook Massicotte
Cordy Mercer
Cowan Milne
Dawson Moore
Day Munson
Downe Pépin
Dyck Peterson
Eggleton Poulin
Fairbairn Poy
Fox Ringuette
Fraser Robichaud
Furey Tardif
Grafstein Watt
Hervieux-Payette Zimmer—38
NAYS
THE HONOURABLE SENATORS

Andreychuk Lang
Atkins LeBreton
Brazeau MacDonald
Brown Manning
Champagne Martin
Cochrane Meighen
Comeau Mockler
Di Nino Nancy Ruth
Dickson Neufeld
Eaton Oliver
Eyton Rivard
Fortin-Duplessis Segal
Gerstein St. Germain
Greene Stratton
Housakos Tkachuk
Johnson Wallace—33
Keon
ABSTENTIONS
THE HONOURABLE SENATORS

Nil


Edited by Alan Middlemiss (06/24/09 09:20 AM)

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#1548654 - 06/24/09 09:33 AM Re: Senate Denies Bill c15 [Re: Alan Middlemiss]
tendonut Offline
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bla the language they use in our government needs to be updated it is disgusting that they do this as to impede the understanding of regular citizens.
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#1548665 - 06/24/09 10:05 AM Re: Senate Denies Bill c15 [Re: tendonut]
Alan Middlemiss Offline
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This is the system we have and work within.

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#1548687 - 06/24/09 12:13 PM Re: Senate Denies Bill c15 [Re: Alan Middlemiss]
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I see that Nancy Green is on the Nay side. I knew she hated pot. She had a couple of young guys kicked off the mountain (sun peaks) for smoking a doobie. By the way, did you know she just loves to her wine?
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#1549161 - 06/26/09 10:05 AM Re: Senate Denies Bill c15 [Re: banty2]
Alan Middlemiss Offline
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We have until September 15th to convince the senate not to support C-15.

Write
Call
Activize

This is our last chance !
Many will suffer in cages if we don't act

Get up , stand up ! Stand up for your rights !


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http://parl.gc.ca/40/2/parlbus/chambus/s...rl=40&Ses=2

ADJOURNMENT

The Honourable Senator Comeau moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Di Nino:

That the Senate do now adjourn.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

(Accordingly, at 5:48 p.m. the Senate was continued until Tuesday,
September 15, 2009, at 2 p.m.)


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#1549249 - 06/26/09 04:04 PM Re: C-15 Senate Debate [Re: kenny_canuck]
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The current Senatorial Lineup has 105 seats. As I have stated previously, Harper is a shrewd tactician. He has made conservative senatorial appointments in anticipation of C15's performance in the upper house.A few more seats on his side, makes it just a bit tougher. C15 is so utterly ideological and just downright draconian. STANDING SENATE COMMITTEE ON LEGAL & CONSTITUTIONAL AFFAIRS! This is my hope.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/common/senmemb/senate/ps-E.htm
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