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#1542829 - 06/07/09 12:54 PM
Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee
[Re: chrisbennett]
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"The Unincorporated Deuteronomical Society is fundamentally different in that we wish to create a rule of law by keeping only laws which have stood civilization well as evidenced by history."
Which laws are those? Those are the basic laws encapsulated by the 10 commandments in the Bible. I think that primarily you will find this code of law entrenched in the hearts of men for any society to work if one looks at it logically. The bible and other religious codes have tried to enlighten humans into a civilized behavior based on a religious ethical foundation. That is why it was taken as the basis for English law. More or less these are the requirements of peaceful social interaction whether you believe they come from God or not. It is the micro managing of what might be in men's hearts and minds through the installation of intrusive, oppressive laws which is expressly forbidden in the bible. "Judge not lest ye be Judged" It is certainly tyranny for the state to presume what I do is evil and then criminalize it although I harm no one through my actions. This is about harm to our society because the state which was once founded on Christian principles no longer follows them. Today because of evil racists who posed as puritan temperance god fearing christians doing god's work for him, nearly a century ago we have organized crime general lawlessness and mayhem the due rewards of godliness. This has never been about helping society, rather almost entirely about control of society by religious factions. The law of the bible was strictly enforced by most western society as they saw it. The most import aspects are respect for each other, and a higher authority which will judge us according to our adherence to the law. It is not, imo, that we need to establish our rights under the charter, they are already there. We need to assert the rights we have always had and ignore, negate the assumption the state can deny us those rights.
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#1542835 - 06/07/09 01:09 PM
Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee
[Re: OhYesWeCannabis!]
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what bud refers to..........and as should have been linked to here by him.....I mean if he has nothing to really say here and because he did not have the courtesy to just say it in the right thread.....even http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1542753#Post1542753the 6th reply down for any confused as yes it was never said in this thread and he is commenting on the one linked above what??? you are soooo wanting this thread to grow that you will even comment on other threads here instead of the thread you speak of ???? ......LOL bizarre anyhoooooooo as this thread can now just obviously be only our idle musings about any thread ....hmmm lets see.....some one bought a gram of sorts and you shorted him and he whined...hmmm wow thats news worthy ...eh? well I wont even get into it as I don't mention ....ummmm...irrelevant types....or even such great cannabis groupies so....... clocks a tickin.....the 15th will be a big day ..eh? yes....just waiting with baited breath for your big announcement as you end prohibition single handedly on the 15th......hahahhahahahahhahahaha I will be back to congratulate you ......LOL lets see what else flits around my head like lint .....yes as its all about our idle thoughts and musings of entertainment ...eh? oh yeah I will be in winterpeg on friday if any activists want to do the coffee meeting with me next weekend pipe up here please....bud can use the attention in this thread hahhaha now back to the bud belly button show.....take it away bore-acle you must have some tidbit of life changing wisdom for here now dont you ?????LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKEZoY-TMG4 The reason that I reply here in my thread is because the idea I have used it as back up for is relevant to this thread. If I post in the other thread I will get called for thread jacking. can't have it both ways! I will care about as much as I always have about what you do in the future. Unlike you, my vision is clear. I attack the government and those who give it power through their stupidity, their constant sniveling at those who might have a different plan of attack. Thank god Robin and I aren't in need of any of this kind of "activist" support, or funds, eh John! We are happily advancing our cause, gaining impetus. June the 15th will not deliver the "coupe de grace" either. You can't digest the information properly, is what your problem is. Laugh all you want now, because that's the what fools like doing. It defines them actually. They always laugh before the punchline is delivered.
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#1542851 - 06/07/09 01:59 PM
Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee
[Re: bud oracle]
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"Those are the basic laws encapsulated by the 10 commandments in the Bible. I think that primarily you will find this code of law entrenched in the hearts of men for any society to work if one looks at it logically.
The bible and other religious codes have tried to enlighten humans into a civilized behavior based on a religious ethical foundation.
That is why it was taken as the basis for English law. More or less these are the requirements of peaceful social interaction whether you believe they come from God or not.
It is the micro managing of what might be in men's hearts and minds through the installation of intrusive, oppressive laws which is expressly forbidden in the bible. "Judge not lest ye be Judged""
That last one is not a Dueteronimical Law, or one of the 10 Commandments. Here are the Laws of God:
(excerpted from Sex, Drugs, Violence and the Bible)
THE LAWS OF GOD?
"The impertinence and arrogance with which "believers" attribute to "god" their own social, alimentary, and sexual prejudices, which moreover vary from one region to another, would be comical if they did not inevitably lead to forms of tyranny of a purely temporal nature. The obligation to conform to arbitrary beliefs and modes of behavior is a means of degrading and enslaving the personality of the individual which all tyrannies, whether religious or political, right- or left-wing, know only too well how to use." (Danielou 1992).
Moses is probably most famous for being God's secretary and writing down the Ten Commandments . Most people think that this is some divine pious code, but if you asked, they would probably only be able to repeat about half. They basically say:
1.Thou Shall Not have any other God besides Yahweh .(whose name is Jealous) 2.Thou Shall Not make any graven images(Remember Baal-Peor) 3.Thou Shall Not take the Lord's name in vain,(Goddamit!) . 4.Thou Shall Not work on Sabbath day. (A six day work week isn't at all generous by today's standards). 5.Thou Shalt Honor Thy parents. (Or die for not doing so) 6.Thou Shall Not kill. (Only applies to other Hebrews, unless of course they break one of these other commandments). 7.Thou Shall Not commit adultery.(With other Hebrew's wives) 8.Thou Shall Not steal. (From other Hebrews) 9.Thou Shall Not bear false witness against a neighbor.(If he's a Hebrew) 10.Thou Shall Not covet.(the possessions of other Hebrews).
The first three rules are directed at maintaining the sole authority of the cult of Yahweh, but all were punishable by death should they be broken. Number 4 offers one day of rest a week, and if something lousy happened like your roof fell in trapping your family, and you wanted to work at helping them escape, you were prevented from doing so by punishment of death . Commandment Number 5, To honor your parents, could hardly be applicable if your father and\or mother was a molester, or abusive, (which as we have seen was often the case) and this law was also enforced with a punishment of death . Commandments 6-10, are moral enough rules for any society, but the Biblical stories described so far and God's own commandments , clearly document that the Hebrews did not apply them in their dealings with other cultures. .
Unfortunately the rule making of Moses and the Levite scribes didn't stop with the Ten Commandments, but branched off into other areas of life and conduct. (Scholars now suggest that Moses did not record many of these commandments at all, but that they were a forgery produced by the Priests of the Temple of Yahweh, hundreds of years after the time of Moses. -See Chapter?????).
Another reason that the Hebrews burned copious amounts of fragrant incense in and around their places of worship was the unbearable stench from the massive animal sacrifices. These sacrifices were a daily occurrence and constituted a large part of ancient Hebrew worship. In fact, many of the laws and instruction recorded in the books of Moses are concerned with rules for proper sacrifice ; which from the descriptions given, must have been a very gruesome sight indeed!
This is what you are to do to consecrate...priests. Take a young bull and two rams....Bring the Bull to the Tent of Meeting...Slaughter it in the Lord's presence at the entrance to the Tent...Take some of the bull's blood and put it on the horns of the altar…pour out the rest of it at the base of the altar. Then take all the fat around the inner parts, the covering of the liver, and both kidneys with the fat on them, and burn them on the altar...Take one of the rams...Slaughter it and take the blood and sprinkle it against the altar on all sides. Cut the ram into pieces...Then burn the entire ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering to the lord, a pleasing aroma, an offering made to the Lord by fire. (Exodus 29:1-20)
The Lord then commands the slaughter of the other ram, and has its blood splattered on the priests to be. The priests keep the breast meat of the second ram, by offering it as a wave offering, (holding it in their hands and waving it back and forth) and the remainder is burnt on the altar along with the rest of "the burnt offering for a pleasing aroma to the Lord". Besides daily burnt offerings of two year old lambs, there were special massive sacrifices of bulls, rams and other animals for special holidays, (See Numbers 28 &29, for a full description of this gore). With his blood soaked altars, and the constant stench of rotting flesh, Old Yahweh must have been truly a Lord of Flies. Many of the more militant, orthodox and fundamentalist Hebrew sects look forward to the day when these sacrifice can be reinstituted on the site of the ancient Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. Their hopes are delayed by the fact that this site is currently the home of the Moslem holy shrine, the Dome of the Rock.
Not only did the Hebrews practice copious animal sacrifice, they were even known to sacrifice their own firstborn sons, (La Barre 1970). In Exodus, after the Israelite's escape from Egypt, and the Lord's slaughter of the Egyptian firstborn ; The Lord said to Moses, "Consecrate to me every first born male. The first offspring of every womb among the Israelites belongs to me, whether man or animal". The ancient Hebrews maintained a custom of human sacrifice for special occasions, longer than any other group under the cultural influence of the Roman empire, (Walker 1983, Cumont 1956).
You are to give over to the Lord the first offspring of every womb. All first born males of your livestock belong to the Lord. Redeem with a lamb every firstborn donkey, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem every firstborn among your sons. In days to come when your sons ask you, 'What does this mean?' say to him, 'With a mighty hand the Lord brought us out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. When Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let us go, the Lord killed every firstborn in Egypt, both man and animal. This is why I sacrifice to the Lord the first male offspring of every womb and redeem each of my firstborn sons." (Exodus 13)
[The Lord said] "You must give me your firstborn sons. Do the same with your cattle and your sheep." (Exodus 22:29)
The first offspring of every womb belongs to me...Redeem all your firstborn sons. No-one is to appear before me empty handed. (Exodus 34:19-20)
In later times, such human sacrifice was abandoned and the Lord told Moses that he would take the "Levites from among the Israelites in place of the first male offspring of every Israelite woman. The Levites are mine, for all the firstborn are mine. When I struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, I set apart for myself every firstborn in Israel, whether man or animal. They are to be mine. I am the Lord." (Numbers 3:12-13)
SEXUAL CONDUCT
When they weren't writing about the proper way to sacrifice, the ancient Hebrews were obsessed with making rules governing sexual conduct. Some of these rules may have evolved from the Hebrews early experience with venereal disease, and account for their attempts to control its spreading. Others were directed against the wasting of precious “seed”, as with the story of Onan. From the time of Moses onward, it was a Jewish agenda to out-poulate competing foriegn tribes.
Acting upon the principle of “Strength in numbers,” Moses theologized the Egyptian hygienic code as a mystical device to preserve and increase population . In the ancient world, physical and numerical weakness sounded the death knell for any community threatened by ambitious neighbors. Settled tribes that practiced contraception, because of limited food supply and other practical considerations, were doomed to subjection or extinction by transient tribes that subsisted on the confiscation of conquest....
Hence, the Mosaic ritual laws were designed to strengthen and aggrandize the Habiru through solemnized sanitation and propagation. The ceremonies of circumcision and of postcoital ablution, the taboos against menstruants and gonorrheics: these and others were all prophylactic precautions which complemented the enactments against contraceptive and disorderly practices such as onanism, homogenitality, beastiality, incest, adultery, prostitution, rape, transvestism, castration, and abortion. Every common and customary erotic activity except marital intercourse and self-masturbation is vigorously inveighed against in the Mosaic Code...(Edwardes 1967)
Besides the commandments directed against preventing the spread of venereal disease and ensuring the propagation of the Jewish people, other sexual rules were just plainly directed at controlling the hearts and minds of the people and maintaining a patriarchal world view.
For the ancient Hebrews, women were basically possessions who were most valuable for their breeding ability, or material worth. Rape is not so much a crime against the women, but the robbery of her father (or husband's) property. Rape itself could be atoned for by paying the father 50 shekels, and\or marrying the daughter,(Deuteronomy 22:28). "Since a father was not compelled to give his daughter in marriage, he could keep both money and daughter and hire her out again and again."(Rush 1981).
The bed sheets from a bride and groom's first conuptual relationship were saved, as evidence that the bride was a virgin. For if she has already been deflowered, "she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of the town shall stone her to death."(Deuteronomy 22:21). If a man ever became tired of his wife he could divorce her without any obligation what so ever, ( This is likely what happened to Moses' Midianite wife Zipporah, as after she returned to her father's house she was never mentioned again).
If a husband became jealous of his wife and suspected her of adultery, then he was to take her to the tabernacle to "stand before the Lord". The priest of the tabernacle would gather dirt from the floor, soaked in old rotting blood and offal from the sacrifices, and mix it with water. The priest then told the woman that if she had defiled herself, "May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells and your thigh wastes away."(Numbers 5:22) The priest then administered the water to the women "and this water will enter her and cause bitter suffering...her abdomen will swell and her abdomen will swell and her thigh will waste away, and she will become accursed among her people. If, however, the woman has not defiled herself and is free from impurity, she will be cleared of all guilt and will be free to have children. This then, is the law of jealousy, when a woman goes astray and defiles herself...or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife...The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin. (Numbers 5:22-31). The dirt from the tabernacle floor was rich with the rotting remnants of countless sacrifice, and when mixed with water it would have had the potential to cause botulism or other bacterial diseases. When the poor woman in question was forced to drink this mixture, she was going to suffer consequences whether she was guilty, or innocent and had fallen wrongly under the suspicion of a cruel and jealous husband .
There is also special mention of priests daughters gone bad: "If a priests daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire." (Leviticus 21:9). This may have been a law designed to end the continuing disgrace of mother worship and the practice of sacred prostitution being committed by the families of the priesthood itself. Culticrostitution was associated with the erotic activities of the Canaanite fertility cult, and anything associated with it was to be abhorred. The [Hebrew] law...placed the strongest taboos on 'uncovering nakedness', usually associated with near relatives, which connected the prohibition with incest. There are two references, however, which...point to fear of pagan fertility cults..."And you shall not go up by steps to my altar, that your nakedness be not exposed on it."(Exodus 20:26). This presupposed that the head of the household served as priest, and that he wore the usual short skirt. An elevated position on steps would expose his genitals. Therefore, the precautions were extended in Exodus 28:42-43: "And you shall make for them [the priests] linen breeches to cover their naked flesh; from the loins to the thigh shall they reach..." The sacred sexual cults of Canaan had considerable display of sexual organs and nudity. The worship of Yahweh was to be absolutely free of such contamination.
So concerned was the Law for modest decorum in the wives of Israel that the severest penalties were decreed. For example, "When men fight with one another, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall have no pity" (Deuteronomy 25:11-12). This served as a warning to any and all women that the private parts of a man were taboo.(Cole 1959)
Further designating the subordinate role of women, if a woman gave birth she was unclean for seven days if it was a male, and two weeks if the baby was female ,(Leviticus 12). There were also very strict observances concerning a women's menstruation, she was ritually unclean for seven days, and anybody who touched her was "unclean until evening." "No sexual relations were to take place, either during menstruation, though this seemed due to the awe of blood rather than mere modesty (Leviticus 18:19,20:18)."(Cole 1959)
Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean until evening. Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean until evening...anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening. (Leviticus 15:20-23)
If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has sexual relation with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and he has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people. (Leviticus 20:18)
There were also precautions to be taken, should a nocturnal spilling of seed occur;
When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and will be unclean till evening. Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. When a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. (Leviticus 15:16-18).
In the rules against homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13), which was punishable by death, only the male relationship is condemned. There is no mention of lesbianism in the whole Bible. Although transvestitism of both sexes is strictly forbidden. "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment; for whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh your God."(Deuteronomy 22:5)
The Hebrews also had very stringent rules dealing with incest , although this wasn't just related to blood relatives. Leviticus records the forbidden relationships were "mother, step-mother, sister or half sister, granddaughter, aunt whether by blood or by marriage, daughter in law. No man could marry two sisters while both were alive, nor could one marry a woman and her daughter or her granddaughter. Curiously, the father was not specifically forbidden his own daughter..."(Cole 1959)
Leviticus is also concerned with the sacrificing of seed (sperm) to other gods, such as Moloch, an act again punishable by death. Many modern Bibles have translated these references, as meaning the sacrificing of children, but the original Hebrew of Leviticus, clearly designates the word as seed . "Here it was not the cultic practice of restoring to the god his own Substance that was at fault so much as the waste of seed and frustrating the natural process. In those days the world was still good, the creation of a beneficent deity who had commanded men and animals to be fruitful and multiply. Jehovah was best served by implanting seed where it might bring forth young, even though the first-fruits, the choicest of the produce, must then be restored to the god in sacrifice (Leviticus 23:9-14)."(Allegro 1980).
The numerous and complicated rules concerning Discharges causing uncleanliness, (Venereal Disease),, are listed in Leviticus 15:1-15. Leviticus also records that there was a great deal of concern about other diseases. Anybody, who received an infectious skin disease, was banned from society and told to wear, "torn clothes, let his hair be unkempt, cover the lower part of his face and cry out, 'Unclean! Unclean!..he must live alone...outside the camp.(Leviticus 13:45-46). The rules recorded in Leviticus extended to other less contagious diseases and even deformities.
The Lord said to Moses, Say to Aaron: "For the generations to come none of your descendants who has any defect may come near to offer the food of his God. No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; no man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has an eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles ...because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary." (Leviticus 21:16-23).
Anthropologist Mary Douglas, gives some very profound insights into religious-political rules concerning the body, pointing out that the "body is common to us all. Only our social condition varies. The symbols based on the human body are used to express different social experiences."(Douglas 1970) .
The body is a model which can stand for any bounded system. Its boundaries can represent any boundaries which are threatened or precarious. The body is a complex structure. The function of its different parts and their relations afford a source of symbols for other complex structures. We cannot possibly interpret rituals concerning excreta, breast milk, saliva, and the rest unless we are prepared to see in the body a symbol of society, and to see the powers and dangers credited to social structure reproduced in small on the human being."(Douglas 1966)
"When rituals express anxiety about the body's orifices, the sociological counterpart of this anxiety is a care to protect the political and cultural unity of a minority group. The Israelites were always in their history a hard-pressed minority.... The threatened boundaries of their body politic would be well mirrored in their care for integrity, unity, and purity of the physical body."(Douglas 1966)
A Freudian interpretation of Douglas' words as applied to Hebraic culture and the laws of Moses, might be that they survived through millennia of foreign domination because it is so extremely "anal-retentive". But then "organized" religion has always been about control and unfortunately, in the hands of assholes.
THE LORD'S SLAVE LAWS
Many other rules concerned slaves and the Hebrews kept both foreign and domestic (their own people) slaves, (Exodus 25:44). Hebrew slaves were to be freed after six years of servitude; if he came with a wife, she was to go with him. But if his master gave him a wife, and they bore children, the mother and children belonged to the master. If a servant wishes to stay with his master after his six years of servitude, then his master was to "take him to the door or doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl, to the door, and the slave could continue to serve his master. The fate of female Hebrew slaves, offered no hope of freedom; "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do."(Exodus21:2-7)
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished , but he is not punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. (Exodus 21:20).
These slave laws must have come in handy during the era of the Great Slave Trade, as the Bible was used by the proponents of this industry in human flesh and suffering to justify the divine rights of their industry. Like the majority of the barbaric rules recorded in the books of Moses, they are hardly applicable to our modern society. Many were obviously the product and projections of the shaman Moses , as he tried to maintain control of the various tribes which had fallen under his dominion.
Just as we condemn this archaic tribal code for its savage primitiveness, we must in the same breathe acknowledge it for its role in aiding humanity in the development of a "conscience", and consequently becoming a "reasoning being". Friedrich Nietzche noted, as only he could, over a century ago in the essay "Blood and Cruelty As the Foundation of All Good Things" :
One apprehends at once that the idea "conscience", seen here in its supreme manifestation...should...have behind it a long history and evolution... "How is a memory to be made for the man animal...an impression so deeply fixed upon this ephemeral understanding, half dense and half silly, upon this incarnate forgetfulness, that it will be permanently present?"...This primeval problem was not solved by exactly gentle answers and gentle means; perhaps there is nothing more sinister in the early history of man than his system of mnemonics. "Something is burnt in so as to remain in memory: only that which never stops hurting remains in his memory." This is the axiom of the oldest (unfortunately also the longest) psychology in the world. It might even be said that wherever solemnity, seriousness...and gloomy colors are...found in the...world, there is some survival of that horror which was once the concomitant of all promises, pledges and obligations... When man thinks it necessary to make himself a memory, he never accomplishes it without blood, tortures, and sacrifice; the most dreadful sacrifice and forfeitures (among them sacrifice of the first born), the most loathsome mutilations..., the most cruel rituals of all religious cults (for all religions are really at the bottom systems of cruelty)---all these things originate from that instinct which found in pain its most potent mnemonic... The worse memory man had, the ghastlier the signs presented by his customs; the severity of the penal laws afford in particular a gauge of the extent of man's difficulty in conquering forgetfulness, and in keeping a few primal postulates of social intercourse ever present to the minds of those who were the slaves of every momentary emotion and...desire... It was by the help of such...precedents that man eventually kept in memory five or six "I will nots"...--and verily with the help of this kind of memory man eventually attained "reason"! Alas! reason, seriousness, mastery over the emotions, all these gloomy, dismal things which are called reflection, all these privileges and pageantries of humanity: how dear is the price that they have extracted! How much blood and cruelty is the foundation of all "good things"!(Nietzche 1887)
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#1542889 - 06/07/09 04:57 PM
Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee
[Re: chrisbennett]
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I didn't offer any interpretations, those are the 10 Commandments, and the Biblical storyline indicates that is how they were enforced. The Bible is full of such examples.
Why not just make up a new list if you are going to interpret them differently? Sorry but i choose to base my ethics on my interpretations of these commandments. I disagree with you that those are not your or someone elses interpretations. There is nothing that survives from that era that hasn't been interpreted a thousand ways in every century since then. If one opens their eyes they will see that even mountains change over time, nothing of history religion survive intact tofay as it was first perceived. Time and constantly changing view of things according to culture and technology prevents ideas, ven religious concepts to remain the same in people's eyes. Values change. Our laws have changed. Yet you expect your view, of what we think, to be unchanged from biblical times. We will interpret them as we are conditioned through our personal experiences in life as does everyone else, not according to how you view things, Chris.
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#1542920 - 06/07/09 06:51 PM
Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee
[Re: bud oracle]
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Here is a post that I happened across just now that I did a year ago as klaus kaczor about my view of how religion can be the end of our world as we know it. http://www.topix.com/forum/world/canada/T2ATV65U5TGL80DR8#lastPostIn my view this is still a valid belief that I can hold today as my own personal perception of things. In my role as Chief Justice I must follow certain precepts that we have agreed upon. The fact, my interpretations of the Deuteronomy as well as the rest of the Bible, depends on how God speaks to my heart. Now we have seen from what Steven Harper does how his God speaks to him and through him to other Conservatives. These people use organized religion and numb believers to further their goals which are truly inconsistant with how the voice of God speaks to my heart. When somone bragged to me of murder one, I did my duty to my community at a risk to my life. It still exists. When the cops outed me for this deed I took them to the complaints commission and at a continuing risk to my life do not back down and stay quiet, nor shirk away from repealing Prohibition no matter who stands to lose power and money, without making any profit to finance my activism. I did my duty, without a lawyer, to hold the Government of Canada accountable under the Broadcasting act and under the hate crimes act. I heard Jim Chu break the Police Act and did my best to right the injustice. Just because I didn't have a friggen lawyer to raise funds for doesn't mean I didn't accomplish anything. Has no one ever heard that you can lay a charge against a cop privately, or even thought it possible to succeed? I see that no lawyers complained to the government when it broke the hate crimes act nor any judges. No, it was only me, penniless, and not a "leader" activist: a giant in the field"
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#1542929 - 06/07/09 07:10 PM
Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee
[Re: bud oracle]
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I didn't offer any interpretations, those are the 10 Commandments, and the Biblical storyline indicates that is how they were enforced. The Bible is full of such examples.
Why not just make up a new list if you are going to interpret them differently? Sorry but i choose to base my ethics on my interpretations of these commandments. I disagree with you that those are not your or someone elses interpretations. There is nothing that survives from that era that hasn't been interpreted a thousand ways in every century since then. If one opens their eyes they will see that even mountains change over time, nothing of history religion survive intact tofay as it was first perceived. Time and constantly changing view of things according to culture and technology prevents ideas, ven religious concepts to remain the same in people's eyes. Values change. Our laws have changed. Yet you expect your view, of what we think, to be unchanged from biblical times. We will interpret them as we are conditioned through our personal experiences in life as does everyone else, not according to how you view things, Chris. The Golden Calf story and other incidents of the Old Testament make it pretty clear how these rules were followed out.
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#1542934 - 06/07/09 07:18 PM
Re: A Trip to the House Justice Committee
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I didn't offer any interpretations, those are the 10 Commandments, and the Biblical storyline indicates that is how they were enforced. The Bible is full of such examples.
Why not just make up a new list if you are going to interpret them differently? Sorry but i choose to base my ethics on my interpretations of these commandments. I disagree with you that those are not your or someone elses interpretations. There is nothing that survives from that era that hasn't been interpreted a thousand ways in every century since then. If one opens their eyes they will see that even mountains change over time, nothing of history religion survive intact tofay as it was first perceived. Time and constantly changing view of things according to culture and technology prevents ideas, ven religious concepts to remain the same in people's eyes. Values change. Our laws have changed. Yet you expect your view, of what we think, to be unchanged from biblical times. We will interpret them as we are conditioned through our personal experiences in life as does everyone else, not according to how you view things, Chris. The Golden Calf story and other incidents of the Old Testament make it pretty clear how these rules were followed out. The operative word there is "were" as in "make it pretty clear how these rules were followed out." Today in our Society we don't interpret them this way
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